Team China 2022

[lawrence]

Most of the Italians born in North America had been playing in Europe for a very long time though, it's not like they were recruited for the Olympics.

Last I heard was that they will be going with the Kulin red stars with North Americans that "had been playing in China for a long time though." Brandon yip has played half a decade there, Tyler Wong already in his 3rd season. Zac Yuen 4 seasons. also and not like they were also recruited for the olympics either.

I think the difference between 50% and 100% is quite substantial, no?

the 100% will be news to me, since the Kulin red stars if they are allowed to represent china will have at least 3 Chinese national players according to hockeydb.

 

[Albatros]

Last I heard was that they will be going with the Kulin red stars with North Americans that "had been playing in China for a long time though." Brandon yip has played half a decade there, Tyler Wong already in his 3rd season. Zac Yuen 4 seasons. also and not like they were also recruited for the olympics either.

The whole Kunlun project was created for the Olympics, there is no professional hockey in China beyond it.

 

[SoundAndFury]

the 100% will be news to me, since the Kulin red stars if they are allowed to represent china will have at least 3 Chinese national players according to hockeydb.

1. Team name is Red Star, not Red Stars.

2. Nobody in their right mind should use hockeydb in 2021.

3. Kunlun has 3 goalies, 10 defensemen and 14 non-Chinese forwards. Unless they make a purely political decision to "play" a few Chinese players (who won't ever step on the ice other than to have their photos taken, maybe) that team is 100% imports.

4. Even if they actually were to have 3 Chinese players you should still be able to tell the difference between 11/22 with some Italian players actually playing key roles on the team and 19/22 with the coach dreading the moment he is forced to let those Chinese guys step on the ice.

 

[lawrence]

2. Nobody in their right mind should use hockeydb in 2021.

what do you mean by this one.

 

[babylonzoo]

On another note, here's what the rink looks like

 

[SoundAndFury]

what do you mean by this one.

Compared to eliteprospects the site is just not good.

 

[ellja3]

Not sure what the issue is, if it's imports. Unless you want to really see a blow out.

As long as they have same eligibility rules as all the teams prior this Olympic tournament it's fine by me. If they start making exceptions - that is - allow players that would under current rules be eligible - that's a problem. And it has zero to do with game scores/blow outs and all about creating a precedent.

 

[kaiser matias]

Compared to eliteprospects the site is just not good.

It is from a previous era, that's for sure. Though that does provide perhaps the one advantage it has over Eliteprospects: it's a lot faster to load, and while HockeyDB has always been full of ads, Eliteprospects has recently passed it in that field as well (I know EP has premium, but I don't pay for it; ad-blockers also exist, of course).

Eliteprospects is great though, and definitely the first site one should go to these days.

 

[lawrence]

As long as they have same eligibility rules as all the teams prior this Olympic tournament it's fine by me. If they start making exceptions - that is - allow players that would under current rules be eligible - that's a problem. And it has zero to do with game scores/blow outs and all about creating a precedent.

Italys national team had a ton of players not born in Italy.

If Italy can dress players not born in Italy, why can’t China dress some players not born in China ?

 

[kaiser matias]

Italys national team had a ton of players not born in Italy.

If Italy can dress players not born in Italy, why can’t China dress some players not born in China ?

One argument could be made is that the Canadians (and Americans) on the Italian team were at least of Italian heritage (and I believe would thus have qualified for Italian citizenship that way); while quite a few of the players on Kunlun Red Star have Chinese heritage, there are a lot who don't, which makes it look a little different. Not saying I agree completely, but I do see the logic there.

 

[ellja3]

Italys national team had a ton of players not born in Italy.

If Italy can dress players not born in Italy, why can’t China dress some players not born in China ?

Once again - as long as the eligibility rules are same for China as were for Italy - I don't mind. But what I have heard here is that some exceptions might be made. In such case, it's a no-no for me. Apologies if I have misunderstood something, of course/

 

[SoundAndFury]

If Italy can dress players not born in Italy, why can’t China dress some players not born in China ?

1. Again, by some you actually mean all.
2. Italy at least had a functioning league they got those players from, they were also roughly of the same level with their best players. China is using a team playing in a Russian competition and based in Russia, to get those and they don't have a single professional Chinese-born player in a real sense of the word.
3. Over the recent years pretty much all the professional hockey in China itself has actually died out - the China Dragons who used to play in the Asia league are no more, VHL teams are no more and when Kunlun played in China their average attendance was ~2k people.

It's kinda weird you continue to play the devil's advocate without addressing any of that even though it was mentioned numerous times before. You cling to that Italian example of yours but the situations are obviously very different.

 

[lawrence]

1. Again, by some you actually mean all.
2. Italy at least had a functioning league they got those players from, they were also roughly of the same level with their best players. China is using a team playing in a Russian competition and based in Russia, to get those and they don't have a single professional Chinese-born player in a real sense of the word.
3. Over the recent years pretty much all the professional hockey in China itself has actually died out - the China Dragons who used to play in the Asia league are no more, VHL teams are no more and when Kunlun played in China their average attendance was ~2k people.

It's kinda weird you continue to play the devil's advocate without addressing any of that even though it was mentioned numerous times before. You cling to that Italian example of yours but the situations are obviously very different.

If this is the case they should just scrap it and allow Norway to play.

 

[ES]

Compared to eliteprospects the site is just not good.

I only use HockeyDB when looking at "who was player X traded for"

 

[Pardus]

If this is the case they should just scrap it and allow Norway to play.

No they shouldn't. Norway is not gonna get any better no matter if they played in Olympics or not.

China instead has a huge potential and there's no good reason not to let them play and see if the hockey boom starts properly over there. Would be a massive waste of an opportunity.

 

[Albatros]

No they shouldn't. Norway is not gonna get any better no matter if they played in Olympics or not.

China instead has a huge potential and there's no good reason not to let them play and see if the hockey boom starts properly over there. Would be a massive waste of an opportunity.

You confuse potential with population which are two very different things.

 

[Voight]

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One issue in giving up your Canadian or American passport... should you one day be "detained" for whatever reason the CCP wants, are either of those countries going to help you? Thats something that would worry me, especially after the the recent events of citizens from both countries being arbitrarily detained as political pawns.

Just let them play and get obliterated and be done with it.

Good chance for McDavid to rack up the international points

Most of the Italians born in North America had been playing in Europe for a very long time though, it's not like they were recruited for the Olympics.

I'm sure A lot of them are also first or second generation too.

 

[cjeagle]

1. Again, by some you actually mean all.
2. Italy at least had a functioning league they got those players from, they were also roughly of the same level with their best players. China is using a team playing in a Russian competition and based in Russia, to get those and they don't have a single professional Chinese-born player in a real sense of the word.
3. Over the recent years pretty much all the professional hockey in China itself has actually died out - the China Dragons who used to play in the Asia league are no more, VHL teams are no more and when Kunlun played in China their average attendance was ~2k people.

It's kinda weird you continue to play the devil's advocate without addressing any of that even though it was mentioned numerous times before. You cling to that Italian example of yours but the situations are obviously very different.

I didn't know that the Chinese team doesn't have a single professional Chinese born player. It sounds like that team doesn't deserve to be representative of China.

I started a thread in the Hockey Talk by country forum for the Philippines which was only granted full membership in the IIHF last year and all their players have ties to the Philippines(with at least one parent having Filipino citizenship) majority of which were born in the Philippines.

Philippine Ice Hockey

They could probably field a team(all with Filipino blood ties) stronger than China's if the IIHF waived the 2 year residency requirement and allowed players who have represented other countries in their youth to play for the Philippine men's team including Minnesota Wild's Matt Dumba, the Dallas Star's Jason Robertson, the Toronto Marlie's Nick Robertson and the younger brother of one of their current players Steven Fuglister who has played for Switzerland in his youth and is a successful professional in the Swiss leagues.

The fans in the Philippines are also more hockey savvy(they know when to cheer and use the same cheers as those in the NHL) than those in China due to the country's ties to the US and the popularity of American sports in that country.

They just don't have the finances, infrastructure as well as player numbers to support a fully professional league structure consisting of different tiers like those found in Europe and North America.

 

[wetcoast]

It looks more and more like a 3 ring circus than an international sporting event but then again that's what the modern Olympics have always been.

the top hockey nations at the tournament are legit but this is an embarrassment for china but they won't actually be showing any of the games to their general population or even acknowledging it really.

 

[vorky]

Are you talking about exemptions?

 

[Maestro84]

This teams going to get absolutely murdered, McDavid himself is probably going to get like 10 goals on them in the first period alone. I know it's normal to have the host playing in the biggest events but when you can't even put together an actual team what's the point lmao

 

[Pardus]

I didn't know that the Chinese team doesn't have a single professional Chinese born player. It sounds like that team doesn't deserve to be representative of China.

Yes it does have and 90% of the team is ethnically Chinese.

Kunlun Red Star at eliteprospects.com

 

[cjeagle]

Yes it does have and 90% of the team is ethnically Chinese.

I read they recruited several players without any ties to China whatsoever including former Redwings prospects Jake Chelios and Ryan Sproul.

China are using Kunlun as a proxy for the national team in their game against KHL teams which the IIHF used as a test for how they would fare in the Olympics.

Most of the Kunlun roster consists of North American-born players who league records list as having taken Chinese nationality. More players could be naturalised in time for the Olympics.

It's unclear how many foreign-born players could represent China though.

The IIHF has refused to say which Kunlun players are eligible - Chelios, for example, is listed as a US player in KHL records - and Tardif has said the IIHF needs to confirm player eligibility.

IIHF president Luc Tardif told reporters in Canada that the governing body and International Olympic Committee would decide next week whether China would be granted permission to play in Beijing.

China in danger of Olympics ice hockey axe

IIHF to review China's status for 2022 games - TSN.ca

 

[vorky]

This teams going to get absolutely murdered, McDavid himself is probably going to get like 10 goals on them in the first period alone. I know it's normal to have the host playing in the biggest events but when you can't even put together an actual team what's the point lmao

Are you going to appologize if McDavid will not score at least 10 goals against them in the first period?

 

[cjeagle]

Are you talking about exemptions?

The IIHF might not grant that exemption.