Olympics: Team Canada 2022, Part III

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I am starting to warm up to the idea of taking Kadri. He is at the top of his game and top 10 in league points. Most importantly, he is good defensively and very tough to play against. Wouldn’t mind him as an option for 13th forward spot if he keeps up his level of play.

LeBrun said that he believes Kadri was not on the long list, and next to McKenzie he's the most reliable source on these things. I do not think that he'd be a good fit but regardless he very likely isn't even an option.
 
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Huberdeau - McDavid - MacKinnon
Stamkos - Point - Marner
Marchand - Crosby - Bergeron
Wilson - Couturier - Stone
O'Reilly/Scheifele

Pelech - Makar
Weegar - Ekblad
Theodore - Pietrangelo
Hamilton/Doughty

Fleury
Binnington
Kuemper
 
Nope,,,, sorry man,,,,, i can't,,,, i just can't . He could go "off" and do something dumb as hell , when the heat turns to a boil.

Wison=pass

I agree, my point was if they were to take a "guy like that" I'd much rather prefer him over Hyman for example.

LeBrun said that he believes Kadri was not on the long list, and next to McKenzie he's the most reliable source on these things. I do not think that he'd be a good fit but regardless he very likely isn't even an option.

Not sure how the list was split but I imagine out of 55 total 30-35 were forwards and yea, I cant see Kadri being on that list as of last summer. Most years you have the late summer minicamp which reveals the long list.

Now if they allow Sweden to retroactively put Raymond on their list, one could assume Canada might be able to do the same with him.
 
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For the younger canadian fans, and maybe older, there’s a narrative that needs to stop. I’m a Canadian and cheer team Canada on, but I’m also a realist, the narrative that team USA doesn’t have the center depth to compete with us couldn’t be so wrong. Now I’m not proclaiming team USA centers are better, what I am pointing out is you don’t need 3 elite centers to win Olympic gold.
In 2010 in the semi’s, team Canada in overtime was a pavol demitra crease shot that should have gone in but didn’t that could have easily saw team Canada lose that game. Slovakia’s top 3 centers were demitra, handzus and stumpel. Not exactly world beaters.

in 2014, in the quarters, Canada needed a late third period goal to beat Latvia, LATVIA!

It’s not that I want team USA to win, it’s that I think team USA will win.

you. Have. Been. Warned.
 
For the younger canadian fans, and maybe older, there’s a narrative that needs to stop. I’m a Canadian and cheer team Canada on, but I’m also a realist, the narrative that team USA doesn’t have the center depth to compete with us couldn’t be so wrong. Now I’m not proclaiming team USA centers are better, what I am pointing out is you don’t need 3 elite centers to win Olympic gold.
In 2010 in the semi’s, team Canada in overtime was a pavol demitra crease shot that should have gone in but didn’t that could have easily saw team Canada lose that game. Slovakia’s top 3 centers were demitra, handzus and stumpel. Not exactly world beaters.

in 2014, in the quarters, Canada needed a late third period goal to beat Latvia, LATVIA!

It’s not that I want team USA to win, it’s that I think team USA will win.

you. Have. Been. Warned.
I don't recall seeing much of that narrative here. Actually, most seem to acknowledge that while they don't have our centre depth they do indeed have us beat out when it comes to goaltending and possibly defense.

Every sane person here recognizes the danger they pose and agree it's substantial. I'm not sure they even pose the biggest challenge though, I get this feeling that they are possibly overconfident coming into this thing. How concerned can they be when they haven't even settled on the g.m situation yet? makes me wonder. I know a poster mentioned over there in their thread that he suspected Canada may be overthinking things which is a valid point but I wonder if the U.S brain trust isn't thinking about the competition they have in front of them enough. They might see Matthews and some nifty high skill forwards and look and their defense and goaltending and be getting kind of lazy in their preparation. Or they also might (as they have done before) be thinking too much about Canada alone and forgetting that there are other real good teams they will have to face at this thing coming up, teams that I have noticed tend to have their number in these tournaments a lot.
 
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I don't recall seeing much of that narrative here. Actually, most seem to acknowledge that while they don't have our centre depth they do indeed have us beat out when it comes to goaltending and possibly defense.

Every sane person here recognizes the danger they pose and agree it's substantial. I'm not sure they even pose the biggest challenge though, I get this feeling that they are possibly overconfident coming into this thing. How concerned can they be when they haven't even settled on the g.m situation yet? makes me wonder. I know a poster mentioned over there in their thread that he suspected Canada may be overthinking things which is a valid point but I wonder if the U.S brain trust isn't thinking about the competition they have in front of them enough. They might see Matthews and some nifty high skill forwards and look and their defense and goaltending and be getting kind of lazy in their preparation. Or they also might (as they have done before) be thinking too much about Canada alone and forgetting that there are other real good teams they will have to face at this thing coming up, teams that I have noticed tend to have their number in these tournaments a lot.
No point in building a team to beat Canada if you can’t beat the Czech Republic… in today’s news if there needed to be any further confirmation that Devon Toews needed to be brought as a LHD, I think he’s playing excellent. Schiefele has also picked it up recently, I think with everyone coming back from covid they take a while get going
 
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I agree, my point was if they were to take a "guy like that" I'd much rather prefer him over Hyman for example.



Not sure how the list was split but I imagine out of 55 total 30-35 were forwards and yea, I cant see Kadri being on that list as of last summer. Most years you have the late summer minicamp which reveals the long list.

Now if they allow Sweden to retroactively put Raymond on their list, one could assume Canada might be able to do the same with him.

See above, teams have been appealing these lists.

There is no indication that Sweden is going to actually be allowed to circumvent the long list, only that a request was made. If Sweden is allowed to add a player after the fact a month before the teams get selected then there was no point to the long lists in general. Unless it comes out that they are allowing teams to go outside of the list then there isn't much point to discussing players who aren't eligible. The only story I've seen on it indicates that it doesn't look likely, plus I've never seen any story indicating that there is an opening for players outside of the long list.

Tweet of note: ‘it’s not easy’ for Team Sweden to add Lucas Raymond to Olympic roster

I also don't think that Hockey Canada would try going outside of the long list given that it asked for an exemption for the Price situation before making the list (to avoid such a situation) and that none of the media members have mentioned it. Not for Kadri anyway.

For the younger canadian fans, and maybe older, there’s a narrative that needs to stop. I’m a Canadian and cheer team Canada on, but I’m also a realist, the narrative that team USA doesn’t have the center depth to compete with us couldn’t be so wrong. Now I’m not proclaiming team USA centers are better, what I am pointing out is you don’t need 3 elite centers to win Olympic gold.
In 2010 in the semi’s, team Canada in overtime was a pavol demitra crease shot that should have gone in but didn’t that could have easily saw team Canada lose that game. Slovakia’s top 3 centers were demitra, handzus and stumpel. Not exactly world beaters.

in 2014, in the quarters, Canada needed a late third period goal to beat Latvia, LATVIA!

It’s not that I want team USA to win, it’s that I think team USA will win.

you. Have. Been. Warned.

Yeah we've seen your posts. 34 year old Price and American goal scorers. I think that everyone is aware that Canada can lose given that almost no one has said otherwise.
 
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There is no indication that Sweden is going to actually be allowed to circumvent the long list, only that a request was made. If Sweden is allowed to add a player after the fact a month before the teams get selected then there was no point to the long lists in general. Unless it comes out that they are allowing teams to go outside of the list then there isn't much point to discussing players who aren't eligible. The only story I've seen on it indicates that it doesn't look likely, plus I've never seen any story indicating that there is an opening for players outside of the long list.

Tweet of note: ‘it’s not easy’ for Team Sweden to add Lucas Raymond to Olympic roster

I also don't think that Hockey Canada would try going outside of the long list given that it asked for an exemption for the Price situation before making the list (to avoid such a situation) and that none of the media members have mentioned it. Not for Kadri anyway.



Yeah we've seen your posts. 34 year old Price and American goal scorers. I think that everyone is aware that Canada can lose given that almost no one has said otherwise.
Ok, since you’ve seen my posts, can you like them please cheers :). Btw I wanted to reintegrate 34 yr old price won’t be winning gold, or 37 yr old fleury for that matter lol
 
Ok, since you’ve seen my posts, can you like them please cheers :). Btw I wanted to reintegrate 34 yr old price won’t be winning gold, or 37 yr old fleury for that matter lol

I wouldn't be shocked if neither of Price or Fleury was on the team honestly. I'd like a healthy Price to be the goaltender in an ideal world but I can accept Hart.
 
For the younger canadian fans, and maybe older, there’s a narrative that needs to stop. I’m a Canadian and cheer team Canada on, but I’m also a realist, the narrative that team USA doesn’t have the center depth to compete with us couldn’t be so wrong. Now I’m not proclaiming team USA centers are better, what I am pointing out is you don’t need 3 elite centers to win Olympic gold.
In 2010 in the semi’s, team Canada in overtime was a pavol demitra crease shot that should have gone in but didn’t that could have easily saw team Canada lose that game. Slovakia’s top 3 centers were demitra, handzus and stumpel. Not exactly world beaters.

in 2014, in the quarters, Canada needed a late third period goal to beat Latvia, LATVIA!

It’s not that I want team USA to win, it’s that I think team USA will win.

you. Have. Been. Warned.

I quite like team USA but if we want to look at past tournaments and considering the games are going to be played on NHL ice, wouldn't 2016 (the last BoB) be the perfect tournament to look at? An event the US team failed to win a single game at?

Talking down Canada by noting games they almost lost but still won (on the way to winning gold) doesn't strike me as something to worry about. Team USA is currently on a 5 game losing streak best on best including being shut out 3 times.

I think they bounce back but that's a pretty awful recent track record and a few of those players are going to play this time around too.
 
I agree, my point was if they were to take a "guy like that" I'd much rather prefer him over Hyman for example.



Not sure how the list was split but I imagine out of 55 total 30-35 were forwards and yea, I cant see Kadri being on that list as of last summer. Most years you have the late summer minicamp which reveals the long list.

Now if they allow Sweden to retroactively put Raymond on their list, one could assume Canada might be able to do the same with him.

speaking of another noooo wayyy` and that Kadri

i'm a leafs fan and love Kadri BUT he gets the Wilson Veto,too many PO suspensions for me.
 
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I would not be surprised at all if Marner is not selected. Armstrong was part of a management group that left Martin St. Louis completely off the 2010 team, and only named him to the 2014 team when Stamkos got injured. For argument's sake, I consider MSL and Marner to be somewhat similar...both are smaller but highly skilled playmaking-oriented wingers, with Marner being better defensively (and a good PKer) but St. Louis having arguably a better motor and obviously more playoff and international success. Canada likes to have big wingers that can shoot the puck, go hard to the net, and get in on the forecheck. Neither Marner nor St. Louis fit that mold, so looking at the team from that perspective....I don't know, but again I wouldn't surprised if Armstrong looks in a different direction.
oh yes sir,,, i am definitely old enough to recall that whole thing with MSL and ya,,i agreed with every word here.

AND MSL s had just earned a ring and posted a PPG in the last 2 POs ,,Marners PO record is the complete opposite. AND this season, he has not impressed 1 little bit, for someone that thinks they are worth 11m eefn dollars a season.
 
So has our starting goaltending job ever been this wide open to claim?

It's a good question. If we look back through best on best history....

2014 - Price has the pedigree and starts really emerging that year. Luongo was a strong backup option but it was clear at the time that Price was Canada's guy. Quality one and two option. Smith was having a good year that year but you might have questioned him as a starter. Not a lot of depth after the top two.

2010 - Brodeur was the incumbent with some gas left in the tank and Luongo was an elite but post-peak goaltender with loads of international experience. Solid but not spectacular top two. Fleury was ok but made sense as a young guy who might become the goaltender of the future. Not great in terms of depth.

2006 - Brodeur and Luongo were two elite goaltenders with good international experience. Turco was a solid third option. Gigeure could have been a decent third option as well, but it's mediocre depth wise after a really strong top two.

2004 - Brodeur and Luongo were both elite and experienced goaltenders who gave Canada a strong top two. A rare tournament where both of Canada's top two played a critical role. Theodore was ok as a third option, Turco also would have been a good third option. Even Belfour arguably could have been a solid third option.

2002 - Canada was loaded in 2002. Roy was the first choice but refused to play. Brodeur was great at the time, Joseph was good even if he shouldn't have been the starter. Belfour was over-qualified to be the third option even having a bit of an off year. Burke had a nice resurgence in 2002 and Theodore won the Hart that year.

1998 - Loaded pool. Roy was a great starter, Joseph and Brodeur were very strong backup options, as was Belfour.

1996 - Roy would have been a great starter but bad blood muddled things. Brodeur was a good backup option and Joseph was as well. Osgood almost won the Vezina a few months earlier but that was a product of Detroit. Belfour was elite. The other options were old guys (for the time) who were inconsistent, like Furh, Hextall, and the guy they ended up taking in Ranford.

1991 - This is around Roy's peak but again he wasn't there again due to bad blood and a poorly timed surgery. Belfour was a great option though they ended up going with Ranford, who was good when he was on (which he was in 1991). There was solid depth at this point with experienced goaltenders like Fuhr, Moog, and Vernon around who weren't consistently elite at the time but wouldn't have been out of place. Burke was an unspectacular but internationally experienced option.

1987 - Fuhr was a good starter and quite experienced by 1987. Hrudey was an uninspiring backup option. Hextall was ok and won the Vezina a few months prior. Liut was good even if people didn't trust him after 1981. Roy would have been a good pick as the hot up and comer. A bit shallow compared to the 90s and early 2002.

1984 - Fuhr was a good starter and fairly experienced by this point. Backups Peeters and Lemelin were ok. I think that Liut could have been a good backup option. Not a whole lot of impressive depth at this point. Smith could have been a decent backup option if he was willing to behave but I believe he let it be known that he did not want to be selected.

1981 - This may seem odd but coming off 1980 and 1981 Liut was a good starting option. It was shallow after that however. Smith was a solid backup option though he got hurt. Edwards was ok, Peeters would have been ok, but overall not an inspiring group. Esposito might have been a good option after a bit of a resurgence but he decided to play for USA.

1976 - Dryden was the obvious starter but he was injured. Parent was the obvious next choice but he was also hurt. Vachon filled in well and I consider him generally underrated. Cheevers and Resch were perfectly fine as backups. Ton Esposito also would have been a good option. Good depth was important here after the two best options were unavailable.

Overall I don't think that Canada's goaltending situation has ever been this poor, at least in the best on best era. The 80s was probably the next weakest period but you'd take Fuhr over the options as they currently stand and the depth options were a bit better.
 
This might be one senior, best on best tournament where Canada isn't the clear favorite. There's a lot of serious competition and not just from the U.S.
 
No point in building a team to beat Canada if you can’t beat the Czech Republic… in today’s news if there needed to be any further confirmation that Devon Toews needed to be brought as a LHD, I think he’s playing excellent. Schiefele has also picked it up recently, I think with everyone coming back from covid they take a while get going
Yeah, Toews is going to get picked.
 
Yep, can't focus on the U.S at all, there is nothing that really separates them from Finland, Sweden, and Russia as our main threats. They are just one of 5 teams with a serious chance at this thing.
 
Ok, good. I have seen a lot of wondering about this, you are the first one giving a direct answer to a direct question.
To be honest, I'm just assuming he is on it, I don't see how he couldn't be.

His play and his built in partnership with Makar I think basically cements his spot on this team.
 

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