Olympics: Team Canada 2022 (Part 2)

[Stewie Griffin]

Getzlaf for sure aint on that 55-list but he looks damn good at the moment, could be a decent option for the 4th line C / 13th forward.

I know its not gonna happen, but they brought Thornton to the World Cup so who knows

Thornton was coming off a top-5 in the league point-scoring finish, as well as a run to the SCF.

 

[centipede2233]

Well, you’re certainly wrong about MacKinnon being the third best Center.

Thanks for your .input, valued HFboard member. You don’t dissapoint

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Prepare for a Team Canada with Wilson, Kyrou, and Hyman!

 

[Gold Standard]

I like Batherson, but I somewhat doubt that he was on the longlist. Could be wrong. I'd like to see what Batherson can do in a leading role at the IIHF WC, and he will likely get a chance soon enough. Wouldn't really consider Batherson for a spot at the moment but who knows.



Dubois has been good all around this year and brings a unique element among Canadian forwards. I hope that he is a viable candidate right now.



The long lists are not going to be released, apparently that was at the request of the NHL and NHLPA. I'd guess that it's still pretty widely known though.



Duchene got his turn in 2014 and played decently filling in for Tavares. I liked that he was rewarded as a loyal Hockey Canada soldier. Guys like Hall, Seguin, and probably Giroux, did miss their chance in 2018. I figure that the 2018 team that never was would have been a very good offensive, skating team. Missed opportunity thanks to the IOC and NHL.

That's right. I forgot Duchene was on the 2014 Sochi team. Such an anticlimactic big ice hockey bore fest that was. At least we came away with the gold medal. but thankfully we are back to NHL size ice for this one. should make for a more entertaining brand of hockey.

 

[centipede2233]

That's right. I forgot Duchene was on the 2014 Sochi team. Such an anticlimactic big ice hockey bore fest that was. At least we came away with the gold medal. but thankfully we are back to NHL size ice for this one. should make for a more entertaining brand of hockey.

The hockey in that olympics was so damn boring. We needed a late goal to beat Latvia 2-1 and beat the states 1-0, where offence went to die. Also thank god Babcock isn’t the coach anymore, maybe the roster with $140 million can score 3 goals a game…

 

[86Habs]

I’m getting 1998 Nagano vibes. And I’m seeing some similarities with what 2022 team Canada could be to that 1998 team Canada.

1998 had 2 generational centers, one past his prime, one in his prime in Gretzky and Lindros.
2022 has Crosby and mcdavid.

1998 had 34 yr old Patrick Roy. I know there are question marks on price but if he is indeed the starter, he is 34 yrs old.

1998 top 2 d men were aging but yet still elite Bourque 36 yrs old and Al Maccinnis 34. 2022 will see Pieterangelo 31 and possibly and likely if healthy doughty 31.

1998 Marc Crawford was the head coach, a guy who won his first cup 2 yrs pryer with an offensive loaded team in Colorado. Cooper coming off his first back to back cups with a Tampa team loaded with offensive talent.

1998 had its undersized winger in Theoren fleury. 2022 might have its fleury comparable in Mitch money Marner.

1998 third best center was Colorado’s joe sakic at the age of 28. Nate Mackinnon is the 3rd best center on 2022 Team Canada at 26.

2022 Team Canada likely has 2 way beasts R.OReilly and S.Couturier. In 1998 they had 2 way beasts K.Primeau and R.Brindamour.

2022 Team Canada may have Hyman as a gritty goal scorer who can check.
1998 had LW Shayne Corson as a comparison.

2022 will likely have 29 yr old RW 2 way offensive threat Mark Stone. In 1998 RW Mark Recchi was also 29.

now I understand Hyman and doughty are questionable at making the team, just used it for comparisons as the team hasn’t been finalized. But I just wanted to point out we might have another Nagano disaster on our hands. Hope I’m wrong.

Primeau the "2-way beast". That honestly made me laugh.

Nagano wasn't exactly a disaster, despite the poor coaching/preparation on Crawford's part and some questionable player selections and leadership/captaincy choices by Clarke (Lindros shouldn't have even worn a letter on his jersey with the likes of Gretzky, Yzerman, Sakic and Bourque on the team...not to mention a handful of others). We lost, in a shootout, to (arguably) the best goaltender of all time at his absolute peak. The goaltending and defense was elite (we could have used Niedermayer's services, but the defense group as a whole was one of Canada's best ever). With the forward group we have in 2022, we'll be in very good shape if we get anything near the quality of defensive and goaltending play we got in 1998.

Corson, Zamuner and Primeau were undoubtedly poor selections. Linden...meh. The problem is, there wasn't anyone left off the team that you could point to and say - that player absolutely needed to be there. Messier, maybe. Francis, Oates, Turgeon would be improvements, on paper, but tough to fit them into the lineup at center. The fact is, there won't be any forwards as bad as Corson, Zamuner or Primeau on the 2022 roster. Hyman, if he's selected, is better than all three of those guys by a reasonable margin.

 

[centipede2233]

Primeau the "2-way beast". That honestly made me laugh.

Nagano wasn't exactly a disaster, despite the poor coaching/preparation on Crawford's part and some questionable player selections and leadership/captaincy choices by Clarke (Lindros shouldn't have even worn a letter on his jersey with the likes of Gretzky, Yzerman, Sakic and Bourque on the team...not to mention a handful of others). We lost, in a shootout, to (arguably) the best goaltender of all time at his absolute peak. The goaltending and defense was elite (we could have used Niedermayer's services, but the defense group as a whole was one of Canada's best ever). With the forward group we have in 2022, we'll be in very good shape if we get anything near the quality of defensive and goaltending play we got in 1998.

Corson, Zamuner and Primeau were undoubtedly poor selections. Linden...meh. The problem is, there wasn't anyone left off the team that you could point to and say - that player absolutely needed to be there. Messier, maybe. Francis, Oates, Turgeon would be improvements, on paper, but tough to fit them into the lineup at center. The fact is, there won't be any forwards as bad as Corson, Zamuner or Primeau on the 2022 roster. Hyman, if he's selected, is better than all three of those guys by a reasonable margin.

Team Canada didn’t medal, it was a disaster

 

[centipede2233]

Primeau the "2-way beast". That honestly made me laugh.

Nagano wasn't exactly a disaster, despite the poor coaching/preparation on Crawford's part and some questionable player selections and leadership/captaincy choices by Clarke (Lindros shouldn't have even worn a letter on his jersey with the likes of Gretzky, Yzerman, Sakic and Bourque on the team...not to mention a handful of others). We lost, in a shootout, to (arguably) the best goaltender of all time at his absolute peak. The goaltending and defense was elite (we could have used Niedermayer's services, but the defense group as a whole was one of Canada's best ever). With the forward group we have in 2022, we'll be in very good shape if we get anything near the quality of defensive and goaltending play we got in 1998.

Corson, Zamuner and Primeau were undoubtedly poor selections. Linden...meh. The problem is, there wasn't anyone left off the team that you could point to and say - that player absolutely needed to be there. Messier, maybe. Francis, Oates, Turgeon would be improvements, on paper, but tough to fit them into the lineup at center. The fact is, there won't be any forwards as bad as Corson, Zamuner or Primeau on the 2022 roster. Hyman, if he's selected, is better than all three of those guys by a reasonable margin.

Keith primeau had 2 seasons of a minus season, both -3, he certainly wasn’t a tire fire defensively

 

[TheGoldenJet]

You don’t dissapoint

Your post certainly did.

 

[JackSlater]

Prepare for a Team Canada with Wilson, Kyrou, and Hyman!

Likely top six

Hyman McDavid Wilson - Oilers chemistry plus a physical presence to allow the skill players to do their thing.

Perron MacKinnon Kyrou - St. Louis chemistry and winning pedigree. No creampuffs, or sugar in general, on this line.

Alternate second line if MacKinnon doesn't pick it up soon: Perron Kyrou Marner.

Powerplay unit if the game is on the line -

Wilson
Hyman Kyrou Marner
Hamilton

Let's se Eichel try to stop that unit from his hospital bed.

That's right. I forgot Duchene was on the 2014 Sochi team. Such an anticlimactic big ice hockey bore fest that was. At least we came away with the gold medal. but thankfully we are back to NHL size ice for this one. should make for a more entertaining brand of hockey.

It should be more entertaining hockey. It was interesting to see Canada adopt underdog tactics with an overdog roster and choke the life out of games. Won't be happening again though and shouldn't be attempted on North American sized ice.

 

[86Habs]

Team Canada didn’t medal, it was a disaster

No one cares about the bronze medal. We were missing our best winger (Kariya) and arguably our best center (Sakic) in the Czech game. The only disaster in 1998 was the lack of preparation on Crawford's part. We probably outplayed the Czechs in that game, but got shutdown by Hasek in a gimmicky way to end our tournament. It happens.

Keith primeau had 2 seasons of a minus season, both -3, he certainly wasn’t a tire fire defensively

I didn't say he was a tire fire. But he wasn't anywhere in the same area code defensively as Couturier or O'Reilly (or Crosby, or Bergeron, or Stone, or any number of other guys who could slot in on our 4th line). Primeau peaked over a 2-week time period in the spring of 2004, and before that he was commonly seen as, for lack of a better term, a loser and playoff underperformer. No coincidence that Detroit took off when they traded him away.

 

[Mathieukferland]

Likely top six

Hyman McDavid Wilson - Oilers chemistry plus a physical presence to allow the skill players to do their thing.

Perron MacKinnon Kyrou - St. Louis chemistry and winning pedigree. No creampuffs, or sugar in general, on this line.

Alternate second line if MacKinnon doesn't pick it up soon: Perron Kyrou Marner.

Powerplay unit if the game is on the line -

Wilson
Hyman Kyrou Marner
Hamilton

Let's se Eichel try to stop that unit from his hospital bed.



It should be more entertaining hockey. It was interesting to see Canada adopt underdog tactics with an overdog roster and choke the life out of games. Won't be happening again though and shouldn't be attempted on North American sized ice.

No room for Nazem Kadri? Leading scorer on his team and is known for his playoff composure, could slot in well at centre if MacKinnon doesn’t get it going as you said

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Likely top six

Hyman McDavid Wilson - Oilers chemistry plus a physical presence to allow the skill players to do their thing.

Perron MacKinnon Kyrou - St. Louis chemistry and winning pedigree. No creampuffs, or sugar in general, on this line.

Alternate second line if MacKinnon doesn't pick it up soon: Perron Kyrou Marner.

Powerplay unit if the game is on the line -

Wilson
Hyman Kyrou Marner
Hamilton

Let's se Eichel try to stop that unit from his hospital bed.



It should be more entertaining hockey. It was interesting to see Canada adopt underdog tactics with an overdog roster and choke the life out of games. Won't be happening again though and shouldn't be attempted on North American sized ice.

It's like you're in the room with Doug Armstrong!

 

[JackSlater]

No room for Nazem Kadri? Leading scorer on his team and is known for his playoff composure, could slot in well at centre if MacKinnon doesn’t get it going as you said

A Kadri Marner pairing really speaks to me. Something to ponder. That and Tavares on the shutdown line could give this team some steel in its spine.

It's like you're in the room with Doug Armstrong!

I don't want to get too "insider" with this but let's just say that Doug and Ronnie are aware of what type of player McDavid has the most chemistry with (German). Jaden Schwartz could be an ideal fit if Hyman is injured.

 

[Mathieukferland]

I don't want to get too "insider" with this but let's just say that Doug and Ronnie are aware of what type of player McDavid has the most chemistry with (German). Jaden Schwartz could be an ideal fit if Hyman is injured.[/QUOTE]

Seeing as borderline depth centreman Nathan MacKinnon has built in chemistry certain types of players (Finnish & Swedish),
Jake Virtanen and Ryan Johansen could see roster spots open up

 

[86Habs]

A Kadri Marner pairing really speaks to me. Something to ponder. That and Tavares on the shutdown line could give this team some steel in its spine.

I don't want to get too "insider" with this but let's just say that Doug and Ronnie are aware of what type of player McDavid has the most chemistry with (German). Jaden Schwartz could be an ideal fit if Hyman is injured.

Armstrong: "Hey Ronnie, any thoughts on Jay Bouwmeester?"
Francis: "Uhhh, you remember when he had a cardiac episode during a game and almost died?"
Armstrong: "Yeah, I do, but we're a little thin on the left side and I like how he played with Pietrangelo"
Francis: "....."
Armstrong: "He's a great skater. Can you reach out to him and see if he's in game shape?"
Francis: "Again, he has heart issues Doug. He retired a while ago"
Armstrong: "Just call the guy. We'll make it work. Also call Darnell, Pelech and that Chabot kid and tell them they're all cut"
Armstrong: "Besides, I don't think he was THAT close to dying"

 

[notDatsyuk]

I agree that watching is important, but I don't think most people (myself absolutely included) know how to evaluate properly

I think that applies both ways. Most people don't know how to properly assess player statistics either.

I think people find it easier to sound knowledgeable when quoting numbers, and also easier to dismiss statements based on the 'eye test'.

 

[Frank Drebin]

So many question marks on Carey Price.

Hasek in 98 was better, but I may have Price in 2014 as the second best olympic performance ever by a goalie. And he's coming off insane playoffs, at the top of his game. But - injury/surgery and obviously he took a leave to start season and hasn't played yet.

Carey Price on Team Canada at/near top of his game? Canada wins the gold, for sure (unless a monumental performance/upset by someone else)
Carey Price not on Team Canada? Well - Canada are probably still favorites, but it's a complete game changer. No high quality starters of his caliber, nor close.

I don't think its a question of whether he's one of the three goalies on the roster - or it shouldn't be - but his play going into the tournament will determine whether he deserves to see ice time or not.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Likely top six

Hyman McDavid Wilson - Oilers chemistry plus a physical presence to allow the skill players to do their thing.

Perron MacKinnon Kyrou - St. Louis chemistry and winning pedigree. No creampuffs, or sugar in general, on this line.

Alternate second line if MacKinnon doesn't pick it up soon: Perron Kyrou Marner.

Powerplay unit if the game is on the line -

Wilson
Hyman Kyrou Marner
Hamilton

Let's se Eichel try to stop that unit from his hospital bed.



It should be more entertaining hockey. It was interesting to see Canada adopt underdog tactics with an overdog roster and choke the life out of games. Won't be happening again though and shouldn't be attempted on North American sized ice.

I don't know about that top line - are you sure McDavid can keep up with those wingers?

 

[JackSlater]

Armstrong: "Hey Ronnie, any thoughts on Jay Bouwmeester?"
Francis: "Uhhh, you remember when he had a cardiac episode during a game and almost died?"
Armstrong: "Yeah, I do, but we're a little thin on the left side and I like how he played with Pietrangelo"
Francis: "....."
Armstrong: "He's a great skater. Can you reach out to him and see if he's in game shape?"
Francis: "Again, he has heart issues Doug. He retired a while ago"
Armstrong: "Just call the guy. We'll make it work. Also call Darnell, Pelech and that Chabot kid and tell them they're all cut"
Armstrong: "Besides, I don't think he was THAT close to dying"

Ken wouldn't allow Darnell to be cut in such a cavalier way. Unless maybe he has Barrie on the long list...

I don't know about that top line - are you sure McDavid can keep up with those wingers?

Could use some grit in that top centre spot. Maybe dust off Benn, call up Schenn, or shift Marner to the middle.

 

[bobholly39]

I don't think its a question of whether he's one of the three goalies on the roster - or it shouldn't be - but his play going into the tournament will determine whether he deserves to see ice time or not.

In my opinion - Carey Price is 100% the starter for Team Canada - and not only that, but he probably gets selected to Team Canada above Pietro behind McDavid/Crosby as the first 3 names if it wasn't for his issues in the off season. But:

- He took a leave of absence for 1 month and entered the NHLPA player assistance program
- Had surgery + injury, still not fully recovered

There's no telling when he'll play again this season - nor even for sure if he will play again this season. It seems like he will return soon, but we'll see

If he's back playing full time for the Habs by the Olympic break - and assuming he wants to go to the Olympics - he will be the starter. Even if he's having a really bad season. Now obviously - if he plays bad during the olympics for a game or 2 in the early round, he could end up losing the net, but that's true of anyone.

 

[Frank Drebin]

In my opinion - Carey Price is 100% the starter for Team Canada - and not only that, but he probably gets selected to Team Canada above Pietro behind McDavid/Crosby as the first 3 names if it wasn't for his issues in the off season. But:

- He took a leave of absence for 1 month and entered the NHLPA player assistance program
- Had surgery + injury, still not fully recovered

There's no telling when he'll play again this season - nor even for sure if he will play again this season. It seems like he will return soon, but we'll see

If he's back playing full time for the Habs by the Olympic break - and assuming he wants to go to the Olympics - he will be the starter. Even if he's having a really bad season. Now obviously - if he plays bad during the olympics for a game or 2 in the early round, he could end up losing the net, but that's true of anyone.

Yep, I think so too, for two reasons. One, its Carey Price, hes done it before for TC and has shown as recently as last June he's still a stud when it matters.

The second reason, is that there's not really an obvious choice other than him. MAF probably has more question marks surrounding him, and is a few years older. Binnington is an inconsistent headcase, Carter Hart is just rounding into form this season after a brutal season last year, Kuemper is relatively unproven.

If I had to pick, assuming Price is back into decent form by Dec 1:

1. Price
2. MAF
3. Hart

Or with no Price

1. MAF
2. Binnington
3. Hart

 

[jfc64]

Now, where's that list of left side defenders on good teams where it only matters to get in game shape around Christmas Day?

 

[J bo Jeans]

Stamkos is definitely putting his case out there. He's still an elite right handed sniper. Even if he comes solely as a PP specialist I wouldn't mind seeing him on this team.

 

[Mathieukferland]

Stamkos is definitely putting his case out there. He's still an elite right handed sniper. Even if he comes solely as a PP specialist I wouldn't mind seeing him on this team.

I’d play him with McDavid, Stamkos getting off hand set ups from McDavid would be very dangerous for everyone else