Team Board Mock Draft Pick #17

[Frk It]

I think the thing about his father is a good point, he has been around pro level coaching and training from a very young age so I do wonder if he has maxed out his development earlier than his peers? I am not saying this is definitely the case, but I think there could be some truth there.

because 5'11 165 lbs = finished product

 

[Run the Jewels]

because 5'11 165 lbs = finished product

Fair enough, do you think his skating is going to improve? I agree that all guys have some warts or rough edges if you prefer and those can be smoothed out. I don't want to be overly critical as I think Perreault clearly has skill and that is something we obviously need.

 

[Frk It]

Fair enough, do you think his skating is going to improve? I agree that all guys have some warts or rough edges if you prefer and those can be smoothed out. I don't want to be overly critical as I think Perreault clearly has skill and that is something we obviously need.

I think it could, and I don’t want to rule out a guy with his shooting/passing/vision because I think he is maxed out at 17 years old and 165 lbs. You can’t ever say you know for sure.

I mean Yzerman hit it big in Tampa with guys like Perreault in Point and Kucherov, but he also didn’t feel strongly enough about them to take them in round 1.

I personally like Perreault a lot and have said as much all year. But there would be some risk going that route. I would definitely do it at 17 though. I also personally would have 0 issue with taking Barlow at 17 as well.

Everyone wants the “how the hell did this guy get drafted 17th” pick, and I think that could be Perreault with some patience.

 

[Bench]

Everyone wants the “how the hell did this guy get drafted 17th” pick, and I thinks that could be Perreault with some patience.

Nepotism is a thing and certainly you have to be careful...

But if you're going to project a teenage kid having "the stuff" to make it in the NHL, it's not a terrible bet when their father (in this case Yanic) was an excellent player.

Like you, I think Perrault would be my pick there and I wouldn't really have to think about it that hard.

 

[Frk It]

Nepotism is a thing and certainly you have to be careful...

But if you're going to project a teenage kid having "the stuff" to make it in the NHL, it's not a terrible bet when their father (in this case Yanic) was an excellent player.

Like you, I think Perrault would be my pick there and I wouldn't really have to think about it that hard.

I really liked his brother as a prospect too, but I guess he has been a little disappointing for Ducks fans? Not too sure. His brother is like 190-200 lbs though and was not more filled out as a prospect IIRC.

Ultimately I think we have some good options at both 9 and 17. Pretty wide range of players I like this year. I am a little surprised Cristall and Sale aren’t getting more love here at this slot. But as I said, I would have 0 issue with drafting Barlow. He would be a really good fit in our top 6.

 

[Gniwder]

You think a kid who is 5’11 and 165 lbs is maxed out already? He could gain 20-25 lbs of muscle over the next few years.

He has a lot of room to grow physically and it could also help improve his skating. He has been able to be highly productive despite being less physically developed than most other players in this class. That’s not necessarily a bad thing.

You are not drafting a player 17th with no warts or flaws. It’s about what flaws or warts are you ok with. Perreault has massive upside and with some patience could be a big hit for someone.

Maxed out on his skating, not his physical development. Very rarely do you see a skater go from slow to fast based on physical development. On the rare occasion where you see a guy improve skating drastically, it's almost always because a skating coach was able to fix some of deficiency in technique or skill, like Raz not using his edges effectively.

Let's keep in mind his dad was 5'11 185 in his playing days and was also a slower player for his size. (There's your 20 lbs BTW.) Considering how much faster the league is now, the kid will have a hard time replicating his dad's success, which was basically a 50 pt/season player, which isn't bad for #17 OA, but like I said, this team is already too small, too slow, and too soft. Haven't done enough research to tell you what I want at #17, but this kid isn't it.

I expect #17 to be a bit of a reach with Draper's FOMO pick, lol. I'm hoping Stevie gets a bit more involved since this is a first rounder.

 

[Frk It]

Maxed out on his skating, not his physical development. Very rarely do you see a skater go from slow to fast based on physical development. On the rare occasion where you see a guy improve skating drastically, it's almost always because a skating coach was able to fix some of deficiency in technique or skill, like Raz not using his edges effectively.

Let's keep in mind his dad was 5'11 185 in his playing days and was also a slower player for his size. (There's your 20 lbs BTW.) Considering how much faster the league is now, the kid will have a hard time replicating his dad's success, which was basically a 50 pt/season player, which isn't bad for #17 OA, but like I said, this team is already too small, too slow, and too soft. Haven't done enough research to tell you what I want at #17, but this kid isn't it.

I expect #17 to be a bit of a reach with Draper's FOMO pick, lol. I'm hoping Stevie gets a bit more involved since this is a first rounder.

Once you get to pick #17 you have to decide if you want someone who’s super skilled or a great athlete. You’re not gonna get both. At least in most cases. Or you have to decide if you want Musty who is allergic to defense or one of these Russians who might be stuck over there til 2030.

If he’s not your kinda guy that’s fine, but he’s the kind of guy you might change your tune on in a few years. I think he will probably get picked inbetween our two picks and I also could see our scouts preferring other options. So could all be a moot point anyways.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Maxed out on his skating, not his physical development. Very rarely do you see a skater go from slow to fast based on physical development. On the rare occasion where you see a guy improve skating drastically, it's almost always because a skating coach was able to fix some of deficiency in technique or skill, like Raz not using his edges effectively.

Let's keep in mind his dad was 5'11 185 in his playing days and was also a slower player for his size. (There's your 20 lbs BTW.) Considering how much faster the league is now, the kid will have a hard time replicating his dad's success, which was basically a 50 pt/season player, which isn't bad for #17 OA, but like I said, this team is already too small, too slow, and too soft. Haven't done enough research to tell you what I want at #17, but this kid isn't it.

I expect #17 to be a bit of a reach with Draper's FOMO pick, lol. I'm hoping Stevie gets a bit more involved since this is a first rounder.

The team’s lack of a truly special brain is still limiting the team’s ability to generate enough high quality scoring chances at even strength and on the powerplay. So while you’re absolutely right that the team kind of lacks a spine at times, it’s not the only issue at hand.

I am hopeful the team addresses the forward issue in this class, as I think it’s far outclassing the defensive crop in terms of quality overall.

They likely need to draft a player that fits your mold, but a player who skated well, isn’t undersized, and plays a hard game is far too low of a bar to be discussing exclusively here. Luke Glendening would be a good fit for those requirements. While that’s somewhat in jest, I think you’re probably in the camp of Barlow or Honzek based on what you’re hoping for at 17.

If the Wings went out and did a combo of Perreault/Benson paired with Barlow/Honzek, I think we would kind of address both ends of the spectrum. Maybe not truly the physical element of Fantilli or Leonard, but a step in the right direction.

 

[Gniwder]

Once you get to pick #17 you have to decide if you want someone who’s super skilled or a great athlete. You’re not gonna get both. At least in most cases. Or you have to decide if you want Musty who is allergic to defense or one of these Russians who might be stuck over there til 2030.

If he’s not your kinda guy that’s fine, but he’s the kind of guy you might change your tune on in a few years. I think he will probably get picked inbetween our two picks and I also could see our scouts preferring other options. So could all be a moot point anyways.

I'll settle for another Larkin (#15) then, lol. Like I already said, I'm not vested at all in this draft, haven't done much research. NONE of us have any impact on who Stevie picks anyways, so draft discussion is ALWAYS a moot point. Not sure why anyone gets all riled up about it.

I watched Perrault highlights because there is obviously a disconnect between his production and prospect ranking. So I took a quick look, pointed out what was obvious. He's small and slow like his dad. That's all I said.

 

[Holden Caufield]

I'll settle for another Larkin (#15) then, lol. Like I already said, I'm not vested at all in this draft, haven't done much research. NONE of us have any impact on who Stevie picks anyways, so draft discussion is ALWAYS a moot point. Not sure why anyone gets all riled up about it.

I watched Perrault highlights because there is obviously a disconnect between his production and prospect ranking. So I took a quick look, pointed out what was obvious. He's small and slow like his dad. That's all I said.

You aren’t sure why people get riled up over draft rankings on a site called ‘hockey futures’ ?
Aside from the draft, not much else has been important for Wings fans over the last 7+ years.

As far as your hopes for a Larkin type at 17.
I think your best shot and kind of obvious comparison is Oliver Moore.
By far the best skater in this draft.
Much like Larkin… he was stuck as 2nd line centre on a stacked USNTDP team in his draft year.
His Numbers were good, but he might be available into the teens because they are lower than those top line/top PP guys (Smith/Perrault/Leonard)

 

[Crunchy]

Dvorsky/Danielson/Leonard with Pick 9 and it'll be hard to go wrong at 17, but highly variable based on who's available.

 

[Gniwder]

You aren’t sure why people get riled up over draft rankings on a site called ‘hockey futures’ ?
Aside from the draft, not much else has been important for Wings fans over the last 7+ years.

As far as your hopes for a Larkin type at 17.
I think your best shot and kind of obvious comparison is Oliver Moore.
By far the best skater in this draft.
Much like Larkin… he was stuck as 2nd line centre on a stacked USNTDP team in his draft year.
His Numbers were good, but he might be available into the teens because they are lower than those top line/top PP guys (Smith/Perrault/Leonard)

Shit, the way Hossa/Franzen keeps coming up I though this was Hockey Past. I mean I'm still hung up on Raty, lol. Not so much because I think he's a great prospect, but because Horvat would be a Wing right now.

Raty + Hronek = Horvat

Being right about a prospect (or a trade or UFA signing) is meaningless anyways, people just justify it as "it was the right pick at the time". Haven't liked more than half of Stevie's 2nd round picks.

Anyways, if Moore is the closest comparison, I might take a look at his highlights when I get a chance later this week. I'll have to judge if he's Helm with or without hands, lol. Thanks.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Under these conditions I would take Barlow. He brings a totally different dimension to the organization and I have confident that his goal scoring will translate. I would also give some thought to Honzek in this situation. I don't hate Perrault here but I also don't love him as much as others do.

 

[Frk It]

Under these conditions I would take Barlow. He brings a totally different dimension to the organization and I have confident that his goal scoring will translate. I would also give some thought to Honzek in this situation. I don't hate Perrault here but I also don't love him as much as others do.

If this is our future top 6:

XXX-Larkin-Raymond
XXX-Kasper-Berggren

Then we need to add some forwards with size/skill. Honzek, Barlow, Wood, Ritchie all make sense to me and I think our scouting group might be wanting to go that direction.

Really Matthew Wood at #9 makes more sense to me by the day. 6'4" right shot winger that led his college team in points, was 2 PPG in the BCHL last year, and scored a goal a game for Canada at the U18s. Put that kid anywhere and he contributes and produces.

He reminds me of Tage Thompson or Jason Robertson as far as yeah he is not a pretty mover, but he knows where to go and what to do when he gets a puck on his stick.

 

[norrisnick]

If this is our future top 6:

XXX-Larkin-Raymond
XXX-Kasper-Berggren

Then we need to add some forwards with size/skill. Honzek, Barlow, Wood, Ritchie all make sense to me and I think our scouting group might be wanting to go that direction.

Really Matthew Wood at #9 makes more sense to me by the day. 6'4" right winger that led his college team in points, was 2 PPG in the BCHL last year, and scored a goal a game for Canada at the U18s. Put that kid anywhere and he contributes and produces.

He reminds me of Tage Thompson or Jason Robertson as far as yeah he is not a pretty mover, but he knows where to go and what to do when he gets a puck on his stick.

If Dvorsky isn't there at 9, I'm starting to lean heavily towards Wood as well. Moore/Danielson don't interest me much at all with Kasper around.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

If Dvorsky isn't there at 9, I'm starting to lean heavily towards Wood as well. Moore/Danielson don't interest me much at all with Kasper around.

I can appreciate that sentiment, but at the same time, Kasper isn't necessarily the solution to all of our center issues long or short term.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

If Dvorsky isn't there at 9, I'm starting to lean heavily towards Wood as well. Moore/Danielson don't interest me much at all with Kasper around.

If the best C available at 9 is Moore, we should take Reinbacher/Benson & Trade up from 17 to teens to draft moore. Larkin - Moore- Kasper and move copp to the wing to mentor one of the young kids.

Benson - Larkin - Mazur
Kubalik - Moore - Raymond
Berggren - Kasper - Copp

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

If the best C available at 9 is Moore, we should take Reinbacher/Benson & Trade up from 17 to teens to draft moore. Larkin - Moore- Kasper and move copp to the wing to mentor one of the young kids.

Benson - Larkin - Raymond
Kubalik - Moore - Mazur
Berggren - Kasper - Copp

Yikes! That roster would get its teeth kicked in come playoff time.

 

[norrisnick]

I can appreciate that sentiment, but at the same time, Kasper isn't necessarily the solution to all of our center issues long or short term.

He is every bit as much of a solution as Moore or Danielson or other centers available at 9. We aren't in Bedard/Carlsson/Fantilli territory.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

Yikes! That roster would get its teeth kicked in come playoff time.

Not if we have Seider, Chiarot and sign a guy like Gudas/Mayfield on D + Ras/Soderblom on 4th line

 

[Holden Caufield]

If Dvorsky isn't there at 9, I'm starting to lean heavily towards Wood as well. Moore/Danielson don't interest me much at all with Kasper around.

I’m very sold on Wood at 9.

I’m sold on several others at 9 too. But I find I keep moving Wood higher.

 

[Run the Jewels]

I’m very sold on Wood at 9.

I’m sold on several others at 9 too. But I find I keep moving Wood higher.

Wood has size and goalscoring, two things that seem to fit our organizational philosophy and need. He's the type of guy who screams Philly draft pick but they have indicated they may want to build around defense with their first pick.

 

[lilidk]

I can appreciate that sentiment, but at the same time, Kasper isn't necessarily the solution to all of our center issues long or short term.

Kasper is intelligent player with high motor aNd compete level . He could be a very good first line center if his linemates guys like Benson or Raymond

Wood has size and goalscoring, two things that seem to fit our organizational philosophy and need. He's the type of guy who screams Philly draft pick but they have indicated they may want to build around defense with their first pick.

Simashev or Reinbacher?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

If this is our future top 6:

XXX-Larkin-Raymond
XXX-Kasper-Berggren

Then we need to add some forwards with size/skill. Honzek, Barlow, Wood, Ritchie all make sense to me and I think our scouting group might be wanting to go that direction.

Really Matthew Wood at #9 makes more sense to me by the day. 6'4" right shot winger that led his college team in points, was 2 PPG in the BCHL last year, and scored a goal a game for Canada at the U18s. Put that kid anywhere and he contributes and produces.

He reminds me of Tage Thompson or Jason Robertson as far as yeah he is not a pretty mover, but he knows where to go and what to do when he gets a puck on his stick.

I like Wood's skill but his skating is probably worse than Conor Geekie's skating from last year's draft. At 9 he's too rich for my blood. But 17? Sign me up.

 

[Frk It]

I like Wood's skill but his skating is probably worse than Conor Geekie's skating from last year's draft. At 9 he's too rich for my blood. But 17? Sign me up.

I remember when skating was a fatal flaw for Jason Robertson as a prospect too. Helps when you are playing on the wing and not down the middle.

Did you watch him for Canada at the U18s? Super poised with the puck on the stick. Always goes to the right spots on the ice. I heard a lot about his deficiencies but when I watched him I was not all that concerned.