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Balance said:
Why is the team that lost 10 straight without their leading scorer better without him again?
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Why did the Devils go 3-9-2 (1 non shootout win) with him in the lineup before he got injured? Cause the goaltending was bad? That's part of it, though the goals scored per game isn't too much higher during that period than it was when he was injured. If not for the Flyers game the goals for are very close for both time periods.

Dude wasn't even that good during that stretch. Rarely did he help bail his buddy Moose out during that time, and none of those games did he play gamebreaker, or do pretty much anything useful. He didn't even have a shootout goal in the 2 shootout wins we had. Just a couple worthless goals in game we either got beat down, or the game where we blew out the Flyers.
 
Balance said:
Why is the team that lost 10 straight without their leading scorer better without him again?
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Because the team lacked depth and relied on his 26 minutes a game... when he went down their was nothing to replace even his mediocre production and minutes.
 
Bleedred said:
Why did the Devils go 3-9-2 (1 non shootout win) with him in the lineup before he got injured? Cause the goaltending was bad? That's part of it, though the goals scored per game isn't too much higher during that period than it was when he was injured. If not for the Flyers game the goals for are very close for both time periods.

Dude wasn't even that good during that stretch. Rarely did he help bail his buddy Moose out during that time, and none of those games did he play gamebreaker, or do pretty much anything useful. He didn't even have a shootout goal in the 2 shootout wins we had. Just a couple worthless goals in game we either got beat down, or the game where we blew out the Flyers.
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Hedberg was god awful. If you looked at the record with both Kovalchuk and Brodeur, it was much better. Could have had the all star team playing with Hedberg and they would have lost those games.

You can't look at goals for because that is influenced by if the team is already losing the game or in the other case where they aren't required to score as much.
 
"The team is better off without Kovalchuk"

"The team was worse because there wasn't enough depth"
 
We also lost two pathetic games in the last minute to two rotting corpses in Florida on back to back nights. I was there both nights!:rant:
 
Balance said:
Hedberg was god awful. If you looked at the record with both Kovalchuk and Brodeur, it was much better. Could have had the all star team playing with Hedberg and they would have lost those games.

You can't look at goals for because that is influenced by if the team is already losing the game or in the other case where they aren't required to score as much.
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Kovalchuk wasn't of much use in those games was my point. He was invisible for much of that time. No timely clutch goals. I remember two meaningless goals against Carolina when we were way behind. And a shorthanded goal against the Flyers. Even Ponikarovsky looked good in that game, and he was garbage almost his entire second tenure. That's how one sided that Flyers game was in our favor.

I remember more post hits than goals actually. Including one pathetic game against the Canadiens which we lost by one goal. He hit two posts on breakaways in that game.
 
JimEIV said:
I think of like this way: we freed up 26 minutes a game of lackluster production, weak for checking, refusal to contest a lose puck, lack of any physical presence and shaky defense
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My browser crashed when I typed that apparently.

I was saying, say you have a bag of 6 m&ms and a bag of 4 m&ms. Someone steals the bag of 6, and your friend gives you a bag of 3 and a bag of 4 to go along with your original bag of 4. Do you have more m&ms now? Yes. Is it because you lost the 6? No. It's DESPITE the fact that you lost 6 m&ms that you still end up with more.

Are we a because we lost our Russian? No. We are a better team DESPITE losing our Russian.
 
Guess What said:
I remember that... That was angering
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My girlfriend wouldn't take to me for the whole weekend after I took her to the Tampa Bay game. I was very angry that night. I was a little happier on the second night in Sunrise. After the Panthers tied it, I wished for a quick and painless ending in OT cause there was no way I was sticking around for another garbage shootout. The Panthers scored a few seconds later.:laugh:

You've really gotta win games where you score 4 goals with that lineup we were icing in the Tampa Bay game. You also have to win a game where Tom Kostopoulos scores on a penalty shot too.:laugh:
 
Eggers said:
Close, but you're way off.
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I understand. You want to speak of both sides of your mouth so you can't ever be wrong...I get it


Your whole argument is we areworse without Kovalchuk but we'll be better next year. Gotcha, makes sense.
 
The long term benefit led me to vote "yes."

Also, the Devils actually have depth this year and can roll for lines, so for anyone to immediately write off the playoffs has gone a tad crazy.
 
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JimEIV said:
I understand. You want to speak of both sides of your mouth so you can't ever be wrong...I get it


Your whole argument is we areworse without Kovalchuk but we'll be better next year. Gotcha, makes sense.
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The TEAM will be better. What aren't you understanding? Schneider(who plays the single most important position) will make us better. The 4 fa's we got will make us better. Is that hard to understand? If we made all the acquisitions AND had Kovy you're telling me we'd be worse than if we didnt? If so, you are a loon and the conversation isn't worth having.
 
SteveCangialosi123 said:
The TEAM will be better. What aren't you understanding? Schneider(who plays the single most important position) will make us better. The 4 fa's we got will make us better. Is that hard to understand? If we made all the acquisitions AND had Kovy you're telling me we'd be worse than if we didnt? If so, you are a loon and the conversation isn't worth having.
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This is the part of the equation you are not getting....That would be impossible.

There is no way possible to have the depth we have right now and have Kovalchuk in the lineup...None whatsoever.

There is no coincidence that Clowe, Ryder, Olezs, and Jagr (minus the bonus) equal almost exactly to the penny what Kovalchuk was supposed to make this year...

Think about it...You think the Devils would've spent 23 Million dollars on these 5 forwards? This season? NO. PERIOD.

So the question is; is the team better built on depth through 4 lines or a front loaded team with Superstar winger...Because IT IS very much an either/or choice.
 
So Kovy left, what if Lou did not sign any FA or traded for Schneider?

Was the team better off with Kovy's departure absolutly not.

The team had no depth last year, and it sure wasn't because of Kovalchuk because look at our cup run, we had a ton of depth and Kovy was in the line up.

You honestly think that with all the FA we signed, and Kovy stayed we would of been worse? That absolutly makes no sense.

It's not Kovalchuk that decides how much Ice time he was having, That's all on the coach. If the team was dependant of Kovy's 26 minutes, blame it on the coach and not the player.

What did you want him to say to the Deboer? Sorry I'm playing too many minutes and I don't want the team to be dependant of me?
 
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Take Notes said:
You honestly think that with all the FA we signed, and Kovy stayed we would of been worse? That absolutly makes no sense.
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See above...The Ryder and Clowe deals were obvious preparation for the Kovalchuk departure.

There is no way the Devils would've added both of those two players if Kovalchuk was staying....I guarantee it! There is no way Lou was going to pay 3 forwards almost 20 Million and have to sign Elias, Zubrus, Zidlicky, Henrique and Josefson..Not in any universe of reality would have that happened this season if Lou didn't know Kovalchuk was leaving....You got the depth SPECIFICALLY because Kovalchuk is gone.
 
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I dunno what Lou or did not know going into UFA period but Kovy being gone certainly adds depth for all the players we have in our lineup to get more minutes now. A forward sucking 27 minutes is pretty nuts.
 
JimEIV said:
See above...The Ryder and Clowe deals were obvious preparation for the Kovalchuk departure.

There is no way the Devils would've added both of those two players if Kovalchuk was staying....I guarantee it! There is no way Lou was going to pay 3 forwards almost 20 Million and have to sign Elias, Zubrus, Zidlicky, Henrique and Josefson..Not in any universe of reality would have that happened this season if Lou didn't know Kovalchuk was leaving....You got the depth SPECIFICALLY because Kovalchuk is gone.
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Prove it
 
The Clowe deal was OBVIOUSLY preparation for Clarkson leaving, not Kovalchuk. Ryder was the belated replacement for Parise that Matteau/Butler weren't. Jagr is the only guy who wouldn't be here if the merc was.
 
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