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I believe there was one of possible two situations there. Either finances were really tight, or Lou figured that since the team made the SCF the year before, big changes like that weren't needed and it was mostly the same team that went to the SCF other than Parise. Not to mention no great replacements and the ones that could have been, signed before Parise signed in Minnesota.


If I were to guess. The former. While we made the SCF, Lou followed the team closer than anyone, and we can see they were widely inconsistant all year and caught a hot streak at the right time. No way he could have thought we were a favorite to get back.
 
The Clowe deal was OBVIOUSLY preparation for Clarkson leaving, not Kovalchuk. Ryder was the belated replacement for Parise that Matteau/Butler weren't. Jagr is the only guy who wouldn't be here if the merc was.

Agreed that Clowe was the Clarkson replacement. I do believe that Ryder was signed after Lou knew (or strongly believed) that Kovalchuk was leaving ... and then Jagr was added after it was official. I tend to agree with Jim that this team was not going to be anywhere near the cap while paying Kovalchuk about $4.4 million OVER his cap it. Now (as Jim has noted), they have Jagr, Olesz, and Ryder for LESS actual $$$ than they would have paid Kovalchuk.

So ... I think what Jim is saying is that are the Devils better after the "trade" of Kovalchuk for Olesz, Jagr, and Ryder? If they want to spend more, they can kick Jagr's bonus to next year and have at least as much cap space to add another player, as well.

Sounds like a good deal to me.
 
Agreed that Clowe was the Clarkson replacement. I do believe that Ryder was signed after Lou knew (or strongly believed) that Kovalchuk was leaving ... and then Jagr was added after it was official. I tend to agree with Jim that this team was not going to be anywhere near the cap while paying Kovalchuk about $4.4 million OVER his cap it. Now (as Jim has noted), they have Jagr, Olesz, and Ryder for LESS actual $$$ than they would have paid Kovalchuk.

So ... I think what Jim is saying is that are the Devils better after the "trade" of Kovalchuk for Olesz, Jagr, and Ryder? If they want to spend more, they can kick Jagr's bonus to next year and have at least as much cap space to add another player, as well.

Sounds like a good deal to me.

Olesz is a $1 million third/fourth line/healthy scratch player, he's neither here nor there when it comes to 'replacing Kovalchuk', he's replacing Poni/Butler/our other dreck. Jagr I agree was a post-17 move and not just cause of timing but because the groundwork was starting to be laid before that, plus he's got the name recognition. Clowe was the Clarkson replacement as Lou himself all but admitted.

So it really comes down to Ryder. And imo there's no way Lou wasn't at least getting Ryder and keeping Clarkson/getting Clowe with our scoring woes what they were last year and not being able to replace Parise with what was left out there last offseason (Semin and a whole bunch of nothing). Again people want to overlook we lost 50 goals last offseason - Parise and Sykora, and another 20+ this offseason with Clarkson. It was going to take 'multiple' moves just to even come close to what this team was two years ago, with or without 17.

Our total salary is going to be around $58 million or so with a signed Henrique. It would have been $65.3 with Kovalchuk and no Jagr. Last year it was about $64 million or whatever prorated and that's with the first 'big year' of Kovalchuk, not that big a difference overall - and before anyone comes back with it's prorated, well so were our revenues. We lost revenues last year too in the short season. Payroll would have been even higher if Parise had taken our supposedly 'competitive' offer but be that as it may if they were even making Parise a token offer before the lockout, they were at least willing to go to the level the payroll would have been this year with Kovalchuk and the other additions.

Clarkson last year $2.6 million, Clowe this year $4.8
Forward dreck last year (Poni/Butler) around $1 million, Ryder $3.5
Tallinder last year $3.4 million, this year no eighth D-man - about 700k or so gets reallocated to a spare forward
Hedberg last year $1.4 million, Schnieder this year $4 million

Even with Kovalchuk that's only an extra four-five million dollars total spent on the team when they're supposedly on the verge of an ownership change to bring in more money, big whoop. If you think they were still on a firm budget in spite of a imminent ownership change and planned to spend LESS money this offseason on a lesser team just because of 17's extra $4-5 million in salary then by all means people can believe in their conspiracy theories. And most of that difference was spent on the goaltending, which was below average last year - and on status quo or close to it with Clowe/Clarkson. I really don't believe Lou was going to spend nothing to improve the forward core if 17 had stayed.
 
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No replacement for that kind of talent. Holes now on the PK, PP, leadership department. Hell, even Don Cherry said Kovy is one of the few Russians he liked. He dropped the gloves when necessary against solid opponents, made teams weary on the pp from all the shorties he scores, and scored some big time goals. Not to mention he modded his style to fit the Devils system. I will miss Kovy.
 
No replacement for that kind of talent. Holes now on the PK, PP, leadership department. Hell, even Don Cherry said Kovy is one of the few Russians he liked. He dropped the gloves when necessary against solid opponents, made teams weary on the pp from all the shorties he scores, and scored some big time goals. Not to mention he modded his style to fit the Devils system. I will miss Kovy.

Thats all fine and well except the PP was as bad as it was before he got here and his leadership was nowhere to be found when the ship was sinking during the first 4 months of 2011 and February and March of this year.
 
No replacement for that kind of talent. Holes now on the PK, PP, leadership department. Hell, even Don Cherry said Kovy is one of the few Russians he liked. He dropped the gloves when necessary against solid opponents, made teams weary on the pp from all the shorties he scores, and scored some big time goals. Not to mention he modded his style to fit the Devils system. I will miss Kovy.

Leadership you say? He never showed any leadership and he sucked on the power play.
The team played Kovy hockey not Devils hockey. Maybe now we can get back to Devils hockey and forget he ever played here.
 
He fought Phaneuf and somebody in Washington too at the beginning of 10-11. Both those fights came in 10-11. Also one with Avery in the preseason I think.

His fighting was not a regular occurrence.
 
He fought Phaneuf and somebody in Washington too at the beginning of 10-11. Both those fights came in 10-11. Also one with Avery in the preseason I think.

His fighting was not a regular occurrence.


Thank you. It was Green he fought in Washington.
 
Thank you. It was Greene he fought in Washington.

I think he fought Phaneuf in that game the night after Christmas in 2010. That game that hardly anyone came to because of the blizzard. That Washington fight might have been the second game of the season. It was a huge blow out, like a 7-1 loss. A lot of fights broke out late in that game, and I think that's when PL3 got fined and banished to the AHL.


I loved when he dropped Schenn but him fighting was not a regular occurrence. I think ''Kovy the brawler'' was something that was overhyped after that fight.
 
He fought Green in that bloodbath in DC where Volchenkov's face got destroyed. Awful game to be at. He also fought Dion and that was a fairly even tilt.

Didn't Volchenkov get busted open real early in that game? I started that game while eating dinner in the living room where I lived at that time. Then finished it in my bedroom. In fact I think even had it off for much of the 3rd period, but wound up turning it back on and caught the Kovy fight and the PL3 stuff. I think Pelley got into a fight too. There was multiple ones going on at once during that game.

I remember being in the living room when Volchenkov got his face busted open. The fights were very late in the game. That was one of the worst games that season, and we had PLENTY of pretty bad ones. That one sticks out.
 
Didn't Volchenkov get busted open real early in that game? I started that game while eating dinner in the living room where I lived at that time. Then finished it in my bedroom. In fact I think even had it off for much of the 3rd period, but wound up turning it back on and caught the Kovy fight and the PL3 stuff. I think Pelley got into a fight too. There was multiple ones going on at once during that game.

I remember being in the living room when Volchenkov got his face busted open. The fights were very late in the game. That was one of the worst games that season, and we had PLENTY of pretty bad ones. That one sticks out.

Yup. That was when that scrub clown PL3 went after backstrom. Tallinder scored our only goal of the game on a slapper from the high slot. Definitely one of the worst devils games I've ever been at.
 
Yup. That was when that scrub clown PL3 went after backstrom. Tallinder scored our only goal of the game on a slapper from the high slot. Definitely one of the worst devils games I've ever been at.
Yeah it was ugly, that's what I remember.
That Washington game signaled to me that we were about to embark on a rough ride. I was not wrong.

Yeah I thought so too. Marty looked like he came out of retirement after 3 years that game, and Moose came in and gave up a shorthanded goal. He cleared the puck straight to a Capitals player who put it into the empty net.:laugh:

Ovechkin had a penalty shot goal in that game too. White and Taormina looked like real boobs on the play that led to the penalty shot.
 
Yeah it was ugly, that's what I remember.


Yeah I thought so too. Marty looked like he came out of retirement after 3 years that game, and Moose came in and gave up a shorthanded goal. He cleared the puck straight to a Capitals player who put it into the empty net.:laugh:

Ovechkin had a penalty shot goal in that game too. White and Taormina looked like real boobs on the play that led to the penalty shot.

Dude, your memory is outstanding. Holy crap
 
Dude, your memory is outstanding. Holy crap

That game was just an abomination. That's the only non home game that sticks out in my head about the first half of that season. I think we had another blowout in DC (Maclean's last game maybe?) and the Boulton hat trick game in Atlanta. The Thanksgiving weekend game against the Islanders when we got shut out by Trash Can Rick also stands out. I was at that game on Long Island too.

I don't remember too many road games in the first half of that season. Nothing really sticks out at the top of my head at least. I remember most of the home games since I was at every one of them. The Montreal abomination when Moose was pulled after giving up 2 goals in the first minute, and the Buffalo game where Kovalchuk lost the puck in the shootout, those are two home games that stick out from that time period. Who can forget the first game against Buffalo too? Kovalchuk got scratched, Moose was pulled and booed off the ice too.
 
Leadership you say? He never showed any leadership and he sucked on the power play.
The team played Kovy hockey not Devils hockey.

what a joke. i think the term 'revisionist history' is thrown around all too often on these boards, but good god man
 
To say we are better off without what was the best winger in the game is foolish IMO.
 

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