Confirmed Trade: [TBL/CAR] Jake Guentzel for 2025 3rd round pick

[Turin]

8x8 is such a dumb offer from Carolina.

You have the 8th year flexibility. Offer 8x9.25 = 74M. Makes it very difficult for other teams to get close with only 7 year offers - they'd have to offer over 10M. Instead they lowball his AAV and use their 8th year like cheap idiots. Now you're losing a player that doesn't come available in free agency very often.

Actually the dumb offer would be a competitive team offering him 9.25x8.

 

[Rschmitz]

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I bet you’re super proud of beating a Montreal team that wouldn’t have made the playoffs in a real season in the final. It’s ok, I can’t take away the cup no matter how big of an asterisk is put on it.

You're right, so stop crying about it and blame the teams that lost to Montreal.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

The one thing that I will say is that Tampa is getting significantly older by bringing in McDonagh and Guentzel and trading away Sergachev, Jeannot, and letting go of Stamkos. Jeannot didn't quite fit, but Sergachev is the one that I have real questions about them trading. Bringing back McDonagh made sense with Hedman and Sergachev, but dealing Sergachev means their entire defense is reliant on a 33 year old and a 35 year old. With how barren Tampa's farm system is from years of all-in pushes, there's not a lot of spots for Tampa to get cheap support or to reload their team's core. It feels like yet another Pittsburgh waiting to happen.

Tampa did not help their cause in the draft either as they only drafted Slovenian defender Jan Golicic in the 4th round.

There’s a possibility that newly acquired RFA* JJ Moser is flipped for a middle 6 scoring winger as Tampa might run with.

1st Pair LD Hedman RD Raddysh
2nd Pair LD McDonagh RD Cernak
3rd Pair LD Lilleberg RD Crozier
7th defender: RD Perbix

 

[olli]

Not even with tampas clear tax advantages.
That trading

Sergachev
Stamkos
Jeannot

For
Moser
Guentzel
Geekie makes them that much better this year.

Future. Sure. But then Hedman/mcdonagh age out

Add Mcdonagh to the equation and it makes more sense

 

[Rschmitz]

I’m simply pointing out you have fake cup wins so you don’t need to worry about draft picks. Even faker than Colon Campbells Boston win. Facts are facts.

Lol this is sad.

 

[DMXATF23]

I’m simply pointing out you have fake cup wins so you don’t need to worry about draft picks. Even faker than Colon Campbells Boston win. Facts are facts.

“Fake cups?” I’m sure you’d be saying the same thing if your team had won them

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I’m simply pointing out you have fake cup wins so you don’t need to worry about draft picks. Even faker than Colon Campbells Boston win. Facts are facts.

I feel like you somehow don't understand what a fact is

 

[strattonius]

Actually the dumb offer would be a competitive team offering him 9.25x8.

You're out of your depth in this conversation if you're unaware no team can offer 8 years. It was only Carolina with that advantage.

 

[Meuracas]

I feel like you somehow don't understand what a fact is

I think he’s talking about fax.

 

[EXTRAS]

Why is this taking so long. You got his rights. Post the deal noobs.

 

[Drew Doubty]

Tik tok

 

[Zwui21]

Why is this taking so long. You got his rights. Post the deal noobs.

I'm starting to get worried ngl

 

[Turin]

You're out of your depth in this conversation if you're unaware no team can offer 8 years. It was only Carolina with that advantage.

Carolina isn’t a competitive team? WTF are you talking about? Read the post I was responding to.

 

[Look Up]

Canes and Bolts fans miss their Southeast division rivalry, clearly by the smack talking in some of these posts.

 

[Rowlet]

Why is this taking so long. You got his rights. Post the deal noobs.

Kypper already reported that they weren't close.

 

[meatwad4343]

Lightning essentially traded sergachev and a 3rd for a top center prospect, top 4 defenseman, multiple draft picks and guentzel. Great off season so far for jbb

 

[PensandCaps]

He's scoring 100 if he's with Kucherov and on PP1 easily. Those two are two steps ahead of everyone mentally. Great combo.

 

[newsportsfan123]

The one thing that I will say is that Tampa is getting significantly older by bringing in McDonagh and Guentzel and trading away Sergachev, Jeannot, and letting go of Stamkos. Jeannot didn't quite fit, but Sergachev is the one that I have real questions about them trading. Bringing back McDonagh made sense with Hedman and Sergachev, but dealing Sergachev means their entire defense is reliant on a 33 year old and a 35 year old. With how barren Tampa's farm system is from years of all-in pushes, there's not a lot of spots for Tampa to get cheap support or to reload their team's core. It feels like yet another Pittsburgh waiting to happen.

It’s funny that people think that this makes them cup contenders. I think they could be if there offense out score teams essentially, but the days of their defense shutting people down are over. Hedman has been a massive liability defensively the last two years.

 

[Rowlet]

Lightning essentially traded sergachev and a 3rd for a top center prospect, top 4 defenseman, multiple draft picks and guentzel. Great off season so far for jbb

The rights to Guentzel*

They aren't close to a deal yet

 

[K Fleur]

Jake would be insane on the same line as Kucherov.

To be fair though alot of players would kill it on a line with Kucherov.

 

[Regal]

It’s funny that people think that this makes them cup contenders. I think they could be if there offense out score teams essentially, but the days of their defense shutting people down are over. Hedman has been a massive liability defensively the last two years.

I think that’s a big reason why they got McDonagh back. Sergachev wasn’t a shutdown guy and Hedman should be mostly in an offensive role at this point. I thought McDonagh was very good last year in Nashville so if McDonagh-Cernak can be a strong shutdown pair again and Vasi can return to form then it would go a long way to getting their goals against down.

 

[Kimota]

It's a good move until we see what Jake gets. lol

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Actually the dumb offer would be a competitive team offering him 9.25x8.

With the cap going up that's probably his market value. He just had 77 points in 67 games.

 

[Regal]

He's scoring 100 if he's with Kucherov and on PP1 easily. Those two are two steps ahead of everyone mentally. Great combo.

Would be a prime candidate for a Reinhart/Hyman like 50 goal spike

 

[BB88]

It's literally already better than what we were icing most of last year, which was Hedman + Syracuse.

Doesn’t mean it’s going to be good enough

It’s getting old and tired