GDT: TB @ Car

[tarheelhockey]

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Perfect

 

[tarheelhockey]

Your daily reminder that Noah Hanifin is 20 years old.

 

[Breakdowns]

Your daily reminder that Noah Hanifin is 20 years old.

pretty much retired, kill him already

 

[RodTheBawd]

Maybe that is excessive for Duchene. How about that package for Tavares then?

A bit of an understatement That's too much to give up for just about any player. JT is going to be a Cane, no massive package required.

And on an unrelated note, am I the only one tired of other fans coming into our GDTs and posting about how much they like our team? f*** that noise. I want other fanbases to hate the Canes. Unfortunately, it's telling of where we are.

 

[Hockeywatching]

A bit of an understatement That's too much to give up for just about any player. JT is going to be a Cane, no massive package required.

And on an unrelated note, am I the only one tired of other fans coming into our GDTs and posting about how much they like our team? **** that noise. I want other fanbases to hate the Canes. Unfortunately, it's telling of where we are.

It could also be that on HFB, the Canes posters are a fun community. The more time you spend on HFB the more the posters start to represent the respective fanbases.

Actually maybe it's a fun community because it's small and close-knit. Because the Canes are bad. Nvm you're right.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

they like us cause they smite us

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I had really hoped to see some improvement from Hanifin in regards to decision-making but it just isn't there. At this point I think it is difficult to call his lapses - which have directly led to multiple goals this year - Rookie/Sophomore/X Age jitters. He doesn't have what it takes between the ears to play a strong defensive zone game.

Maybe, but not everybody adapts to the speed of the game at the same pace. Hedman was being talked about as potential trade bait his first few years in Tampa because he struggled. Gardiner was constantly called out for his mental lapses for years in Toronto and it wasn't until his mid 20s that he started putting it together and is a very good defenseman right now. Jack Johnson went from a disaster defensively in LA to being a responsible, shut down role defender in CLB. There are many, many guys that developed at a different pace. I think we are spoiled by Slavin frankly and expect all of our defensemen to adapt as quickly (even though Slavin was still in college at the point now where Hanifin is in the NHL).

On the other end, Haydn Fleury looks like a baby Pesce/Slavin. All of last year we defended Fleury saying that he never had to be more than a top-end #5/6 because of the current D corps. I think it's also OK to think that could apply to Hanifin instead, in the case that Fleury continues to excel.

Which is funny, because a year or two ago, one of the knocks on Fleury was that he didn't have that quick decision making ability and would take more time to adapt to the speed of the game (which is why he struggled in international play). He's a year older than Hanifin and has had a much better development path so it makes sense though.

Look, I'm not saying don't trade Hanifin. I'm for making any move that makes the team better. I just think it's very short sighted to think that what we see today, at 20 years old, is what we'll see as a finished product. In the end, I cannot argue with what this organization has done with regards to defensemen, so if they move him, I'll trust them on that call.

 

[Hockeywatching]

I finally got to sit down and closely watch an entire game this season (I was pretty upset beforehand that this game was going be against Tampa Bay on a weekday at home). Anyways, I am still new to hockey-watching, but I noticed a few things. Feel free to clarify.

The first period actually looked pretty good to me. There were some dangerous moments, but for the most part we had the puck and kept it on TB's side quite a bit. Of course it all seemed to unravel in the second period after TB's PP goal. Not scoring on the PP is really hurting us, and from what I know about TB, shutting down their PP all game isn't easy. How were there so many dangerous chances for TB this game btw, where they slip past our D? Has this been happening all season, or is TB that fast (or both)?

What struck me most is how similar this game was to the Canes games I have watched over the past couple years. The good moments featured a lot of possession, some shots (even dangerous chances), but no goals. Decent first period with no payoff, terrible second period after letting in a goal, and finally a strong third period to come up just short.

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

Is it safe to say it appears as if Hanifin has a low hockey IQ?

Him and Faulk as a pair are a disaster. As far as F's, Rask sucks now too.

 

[Wolfpuck]

As much as I love Slavin-Pesce, I wonder if it's better to split them up and pair them with Faulk-Hanifin, because the latter pair isn't working. Is it better to have two solid pairs than one elite pair and one struggling pair?

 

[the halleJOKEL]

think we tried that for a game or two and both pairs looked even worse than hanifin-faulk does now

 

[Wolfpuck]

Well that's unfortunate. If that's the case, it's better to not break up the one thing that's been constantly good for this team for the past season and counting.

 

[GoldiFox]

Yeah, I thought Lindholm and Aho's game last night was good. 4th lines was good, ex


Maybe, but not everybody adapts to the speed of the game at the same pace. Hedman was being talked about as potential trade bait his first few years in Tampa because he struggled. Gardiner was constantly called out for his mental lapses for years in Toronto and it wasn't until his mid 20s that he started putting it together and is a very good defenseman right now. Jack Johnson went from a disaster defensively in LA to being a responsible, shut down role defender in CLB. There are many, many guys that developed at a different pace. I think we are spoiled by Slavin frankly and expect all of our defensemen to adapt as quickly (even though Slavin was still in college at the point now where Hanifin is in the NHL).



Which is funny, because a year or two ago, one of the knocks on Fleury was that he didn't have that quick decision making ability and would take more time to adapt to the speed of the game (which is why he struggled in international play). He's a year older than Hanifin and has had a much better development path so it makes sense though.

Look, I'm not saying don't trade Hanifin. I'm for making any move that makes the team better. I just think it's very short sighted to think that what we see today, at 20 years old, is what we'll see as a finished product. In the end, I cannot argue with what this organization has done with regards to defensemen, so if they move him, I'll trust them on that call.

Canes can't afford to move Hanifin or Faulk. Pesce, Fleury, and TVR are all transition-based offensive players. Slavin has been as well up to this year. Faulk and Hanifin are the only two D that the Canes have that consistently played well in an established o-zone. Hanifin doesn't have an amazing shot but at least it gets through traffic. From my viewing he seems to be holding the zone and positioning better this year as well.

The Canes should just keep Hanifin long-term or until Jake Bean can prove to be better. With a sheltered role Hanifin should fit into an affordable cohort contract-wise ($4-4.5 million for 6+ years). If he's consistently putting up 35-40 points then he will always have similar value to now.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Seems odd that we are complaining about Hanifin-Faulk after this game. That pairing eally wasn't a problem from what I could see.

1st goal = PP where Nordstrom didn't cover TJ.
2nd goal = TVR f***ing up and then doubling down by pretty much running into Darling.

 

[JCLA]

Seems odd that we are complaining about Hanifin-Faulk after this game. That pairing eally wasn't a problem from what I could see.

1st goal = PP where Nordstrom didn't cover TJ.
2nd goal = TVR ****ing up and then doubling down by pretty much running into Darling.

Yeah, i don't think Hanifin was bad last night from what I can remember. Should've gave a better effort to block that shot though.

I think the first goal had a lot more to do with Slavin than Nordstorm. First he failed to get the puck out of the zone and then threw a lazy stick chcek at the player who originally put the shot on goal before nordstorm failed to cover TJ

 

[the halleJOKEL]

i didnt notice hanifin or faulk being particularly bad yesterday either. they werent particularly good either, mind you

 

[Stickpucker]

You know I actually find it f***ing ridiculous psychologists try to find so called "evidence" that death isn't the end, when it's technically more humane to end some people's lives (Those in extreme pain and suffering).

If I understand you correctly we need to kill HalleJOKEL

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

They have no 1v1 talent outside Skinner and Lindholm. TT tries but loses the puck, Aho tries but he's too weak (thus far). So teams that isolate guys 1v1 are going to win almost all the matchups. That's why a guy like prime EStaal, who could beat individuals in all dimensions of the game- speed, strength and talent- was so important. They have one, maybe two guys that can beat above average defensive NHL'ers consistently, and when that does happen there's not enough talent to capitalize. So they don't score.

Peters wants to slow the game down and get the cycle/possession game going, but without 1v1 talent that is going to fizzle out into nothing 9 times out of 10 vs the 3 or 4 out of 5 for an elite offensive club. He's trying to avoid a "track meet" as Chuck K puts it, but maybe they're suited to that game? They have fast wingers and Slavin and Faulk are really good in transition, for Slavin that's when he's at his most effective offensively.

Regardless, I know last night sucked balls, but we should wait until the ~20 game mark before we see what we have.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Your daily reminder that Noah Hanifin is 20 years old.

Why hasn't he delivered us multiple Stanley Cups by now?

 

[tarheelhockey]

Why hasn't he delivered us multiple Stanley Cups by now?

He will deliver Multiple Stanley Cups after we trade him for Eichel.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Also:

That's uh....that's bad. And this was before the Dallas/Tampa games.

Hoo-rah for regression to the mean?

This is all from https://section328.com/puck-talk/find-jam-albertan-sweep/

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

What's tough is that teams we expected to struggle more, NYI, NJ, and Philly, are doing fairly well.

A silver lining (I'm trying here) is that I think TB and TOR are going to both be automatic playoff seeds from the Atlantic as I expect them both to be in the top 3 in that division so we aren't really competing against them for a spot. When we get the head to head games with our division as well as Ottawa (who will probably be a top 3 in the Atlantic also), Boston, Detroit, Buffalo is when we really need to get 2 regulation points more often than not. Yeah, 2 points are 2 points, but not getting them AND giving them to someone we'll be directly competing with is even worse.

That's my slightly positive spin for the day.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Peters wants to slow the game down and get the cycle/possession game going, but without 1v1 talent that is going to fizzle out into nothing 9 times out of 10 vs the 3 or 4 out of 5 for an elite offensive club. He's trying to avoid a "track meet" as Chuck K puts it, but maybe they're suited to that game? They have fast wingers and Slavin and Faulk are really good in transition, for Slavin that's when he's at his most effective offensively.

So maybe this is crazy -- but it's almost as though a coach should have different game plans against different teams!

Tampa is an elite offensive team with multiple scoring lines, one *amazing* line, and a goalie with a top 5 sv%. Track meet == insta-loss. Grind it out, try to get a point, maybe two in OT / shootout. They were within a crossbar of making that plan work last night.

There will be plenty of teams against which the Canes can play a more up-and-down game and have an advantage.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Tampa is an elite offensive team with multiple scoring lines, one *amazing* line, and a goalie with a top 5 sv%. Track meet == insta-loss. Grind it out, try to get a point, maybe two in OT / shootout. They were within a crossbar of making that plan work last night.
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I don't have stats to back this up, but this seems to happen far too often to be chalked up to mere puck luck.