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[McTedi]

I think that this article from ON sums things up in terms of my concerns especially on the PP....

http://oilersnation.com/2016/7/17/is-this-it

Nothing wrong with a GM that keeps his cards close, lots of time between now and camp. I'm still hopeful.

 

[McTedi]

I still can't believe there's still people who don't like this trade. Well think of it this way, at least we got an NHL D-man who has #1 Top Pairing Potential and is currently a #2-3 rather than we trade Hall for picks/prospects or another forward which doesn't help our team out. Just give it a season. I guarantee you by the time January comes you'll all say "Hall who?". We are a better club because of this and we should significantly improve this year.

I hope so because the flip side is so very gruesome.

 

[tempest2i]

I hope so because the flip side is so very gruesome.

The flip side is the status quo.

 

[oobga]

The flip side is the status quo.

I suppose there is the chance we finish 31st in a couple years. A new low can still be achieved

 

[Paralyzer]

I hope so because the flip side is so very gruesome.

I fail to see how it'd be gruesome. So we lost 80 points from one player. You can easily fix that by spreading out the offence and giving the team a much needed attitude adjustment (Lucic). Like one poster said, it'd be status quo. That's the worst scenario. It's not like we made a hole. We filled it (to an extent) with Lucic.

 

[guymez]

Nothing wrong with a GM that keeps his cards close, lots of time between now and camp. I'm still hopeful.

Could happen.
One thing is for sure...without hope us Oiler fans would have nothing at all. The only thing we have been able to cling to the past 10 years is hope.

Maybe that will actually translate into something meaningful one day.

 

[McTedi]

I fail to see how it'd be gruesome. So we lost 80 points from one player. You can easily fix that by spreading out the offence and giving the team a much needed attitude adjustment (Lucic). Like one poster said, it'd be status quo. That's the worst scenario. It's not like we made a hole. We filled it (to an extent) with Lucic.

Hall is close to an elite winger in the NHL, can you honestly say we are better off without him. We are a different team for sure but I am still struggling to be sold on if we are better. I was in favor of a different dynamic but I was hoping Hall was in those plans TBH.

 

[belair]

I think that this article from ON sums things up in terms of my concerns especially on the PP....

http://oilersnation.com/2016/7/17/is-this-it





A player like Barrie really has to shake loose if the defence has any chance to be better than bottom tier this season.

I don't think it does.

Give Klefbom and Larsson the opportunity to provide offense, give them PP time and those numbers will come. Tyson Barrie likely comes at the expense of more offense that we will not be able to replace with Hall already gone. I'm not opposed to adding a Wisniewski type off the UFA market, but thinking we're going to go out and spend more to get a Barrie or a Shattenkirk is overkill.

 

[Soundwave]

Hall is close to an elite winger in the NHL, can you honestly say we are better off without him. We are a different team for sure but I am still struggling to be sold on if we are better. I was in favor of a different dynamic but I was hoping Hall was in those plans TBH.

If this current group can't take large steps forward, then lets be honest ... it wouldn't have made a difference if Hall was here or not.

Hall's a good player, but we've never had a winning record with him in the lineup, and while that's not his fault solely, it's not as if signing Demers and keeping Hall was suddenly going to skyrocket us to the playoffs if this version with Lucic + Larsson can't do any better.

 

[guymez]

I don't think it does.

Give Klefbom and Larsson the opportunity to provide offense, give them PP time and those numbers will come. Tyson Barrie likely comes at the expense of more offense that we will not be able to replace with Hall already gone. I'm not opposed to adding a Wisniewski type off the UFA market, but thinking we're going to go out and spend more to get a Barrie or a Shattenkirk is overkill.

There is little to no evidence to support your position that Klefbom and Larsson will be the answer. Its based entirely on hope. With all due respect 'hope' shouldn't ever be factored into a recipe for success.

Lets just say that I need something a little more tangible....like proven production.

Of course it has to come at the right price which is why I think waiting is the right option.

 

[Paralyzer]

Hall is close to an elite winger in the NHL, can you honestly say we are better off without him. We are a different team for sure but I am still struggling to be sold on if we are better. I was in favor of a different dynamic but I was hoping Hall was in those plans TBH.

Well what else could we have done? Signed Demers and Wiz and Chia coming out and say "Well, this is my upgrade Edmonton. We are in for another developmental year"? That would be a MacT kind of move. I would NOT be satisfied with that. As much as people are shooting down the culture change and Hall MAYBE being a problem than a solution, I really feel there was something behind the scenes that NONE of us know about. I don't care if someone here talked to Hall or is his BFF, something soured up top. Either way, I'm eager to see if he is that 'elite winger' on a team that has no defense to feed him the puck. I don't think he'll be as good as he was on Edmonton.

 

[McTedi]

I don't think it does.

Give Klefbom and Larsson the opportunity to provide offense, give them PP time and those numbers will come. Tyson Barrie likely comes at the expense of more offense that we will not be able to replace with Hall already gone. I'm not opposed to adding a Wisniewski type off the UFA market, but thinking we're going to go out and spend more to get a Barrie or a Shattenkirk is overkill.

So forsaking a solid gameplan going into this season we are going to hope that our young defensemen can score, what exactly is plan B then if plan A fails miserably?

 

[Paralyzer]

There is little to no evidence to support your position that Klefbom and Larsson will be the answer. Its based entirely on hope. With all due respect 'hope' shouldn't ever be factored into a recipe for success.

Lets just say that I need something a little more tangible....like proven production.

Of course it has to come at the right price which is why I think waiting is the right option.

Then we might as well stayed status quo and just made this another developmental year and waste another year off McDavid's rookie contract. I guarentee you if Chia didn't make that move and he was forced to stay status quo, he'd be gone before this season starts. He wants full control and he felt this was a needed move. And I wouldn't be surprised to see McLellan come right behind him if that happened too.

 

[tempest2i]

So forsaking a solid gameplan going into this season we are going to hope that our young defensemen can score, what exactly is plan B then if plan A fails miserably?

Another trade that you'll hate as much as the Hall trade.

 

[Paralyzer]

So forsaking a solid gameplan going into this season we are going to hope that our young defensemen can score, what exactly is plan B then if plan A fails miserably?

There won't be a problem. Klefbom and Larsson both have put up proven defensive numbers on their respective teams and they both proved they are capable and legitimate NHL Top 4 dmen. This is the year they will make the jump and be the top pairing we have been looking for a long time. I am sure of it.

 

[Soundwave]

There is little to no evidence to support your position that Klefbom and Larsson will be the answer. Its based entirely on hope. With all due respect 'hope' shouldn't ever be factored into a recipe for success.

Lets just say that I need something a little more tangible....like proven production.

Of course it has to come at the right price which is why I think waiting is the right option.

I wouldn't say its all on hope.

Klefbom was trending for a 30 point season this year before getting hurt.

Larsson was on pace for 30+ points as well last year virtually all at even strength before getting buried in d-zone starts this year and with no Cammalleri for NJ, their already anemic offence became non-existant.

It's not out of the question or even a reach that they both could be 30 point-ish players.

 

[guymez]

Then we might as well stayed status quo and just made this another developmental year and waste another year off McDavid's rookie contract. I guarentee you if Chia didn't make that move and he was forced to stay status quo, he'd be gone before this season starts. He wants full control and he felt this was a needed move. And I wouldn't be surprised to see McLellan come right behind him if that happened too.

Why is the only option to maintain the status quo? Why try and frame that position as a position I support? I think Chia blinked too quickly on the Hall deal.

Larsson does not address a primary need for this team...he is not a 2 way dman. This team was the worst in the NHL at producing offence from the back end...the worst.

Larsson doesn't help that cause and if if does its marginal at best.

Thats really the point here...this team needs an offensive dman...there is simply no way to deny that reality.
The only question is the cost and I think the cost will be less as more time passes.

 

[McTedi]

Well what else could we have done? Signed Demers and Wiz and Chia coming out and say "Well, this is my upgrade Edmonton. We are in for another developmental year"? That would be a MacT kind of move. I would NOT be satisfied with that. As much as people are shooting down the culture change and Hall MAYBE being a problem than a solution, I really feel there was something behind the scenes that NONE of us know about. I don't care if someone here talked to Hall or is his BFF, something soured up top. Either way, I'm eager to see if he is that 'elite winger' on a team that has no defense to feed him the puck. I don't think he'll be as good as he was on Edmonton.

I absolutely agree that we needed D and that something had to be done in that regard. But I don't think we have to sell the fact that we don't need Hall as well, was it impossible to have both? Are we better having Lucic as 1st line wing rather than Hall? Time will tell.

 

[guymez]

I wouldn't say its all on hope.

Klefbom was trending for a 30 point season this year before getting hurt.

Larsson was on pace for 30+ points as well last year virtually all at even strength before getting buried in d-zone starts this year and with no Cammalleri for NJ, their already anemic offence became non-existant.

It's not out of the question or even a reach that they both could be 30 point-ish players.

Have a look at the article...it details the numbers pretty clearly.

If we think that Klefbom and Larsson are going to help this defence in terms of offence (especially on the PP) then yes...it is based entirely on hope.

 

[Philly85*]

So forsaking a solid gameplan going into this season we are going to hope that our young defensemen can score, what exactly is plan B then if plan A fails miserably?

reality is probably lose another trade next offseason, another winger or one of LD or RNH will have to shake loose, probably a pick as well, to get an offensive defensemen. Guys like Dumba or whoever else aren't worth it, and definitely aren't worth overpaying for. It will have to come internally.

I can't remember the last time a perennial playoff team, let alone SC contender created a championship blueline by acquiring pieces from the outside, EXCEPT in Boston's case, where their main ingredient - Chara - landed in their laps via free agency. Seidenberg was an under the radar player and that was a very astute trade by Chiarelli.

But what are Oiler fans expecting? Another top 4 D-man, ala Barrie or whoever else, at what expense?

The reality is with the salary cap and the way the league is at this very moment, deals are hard to come by, especially if you're a team with Connor McDavid, and honestly just 1 or 2 pieces away from becoming a legit playoff team. No one is going to help. They have to do it internally, and if it takes another year, then so be it. I would rather sit on my ass and watch the team get better, be entertained by McDavid and watch Larsson develop into a stud D, than trade away more assets (or just sit on a forum and ***** and complain for hours upon hours) for something that isn't really there.

I will be taking a break from these boards shortly because it's a complete waste of time. This whole situation doesn't bother me like it appears to bother some. I'm going back into fan mode. Glad they did something and I think Larsson will be real good. Sure, call it hope, I don't really give a **** to be honest.

Another trade that you'll hate as much as the Hall trade.

lol exactly

Edited my post cuz this is what it is exactly.

 

[Jumptheshark]

hopefully the city gives Larsson some time before they lynch him

 

[Soundwave]

Have a look at the article...it details the numbers pretty clearly.

If we think that Klefbom and Larsson are going to help this defence in terms of offence (especially on the PP) then yes...it is based entirely on hope.

Well maybe the NHL can gift us Sidney Crosby too since McDavid and Eberle and RNH and Yakupov and Hall and Draisaitl (and now Lucic and Puljujarvi) weren't enough.

This group needs to stop making excuses, what is here as is is plenty of talent even without a traditional defensive PP QB.

 

[McTedi]

Another trade that you'll hate as much as the Hall trade.

I never said I hated it, I understood the need but I thought the return didn't necessarily fill the biggest need. Hall+ for Subban or Weber or Shattenkirk is a little more digestable than Larsson. I hope Larsson continues to improve and becomes our top pairing guy but I honestly thought Hall could get an established stud D man. And the cost of Barrie might not be as bad as you think.

 

[Soundwave]

I never said I hated it, I understood the need but I thought the return didn't necessarily fill the biggest need. Hall+ for Subban or Weber or Shattenkirk is a little more digestable than Larsson. I hope Larsson continues to improve and becomes our top pairing guy but I honestly thought Hall could get an established stud D man. And the cost of Barrie might not be as bad as you think.

Nashville wouldn't do Weber for Hall.

St. Louis would do Shattenkirk for Hall and go laughing all the way to the bank, but Shattenkirk wouldn't have resigned here, so you'd have traded Hall for one year of Shattenkirk. Bravo.

 

[Soundwave]

hopefully the city gives Larsson some time before they lynch him

He's the best D-Man this city has seen in 7-8 years. He'll be appreciated by fans who know what the **** they're talking about.