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[Aerchon]

For the Hall part, ok. Even though as just was repeated here he did point out that Hall was the best player in EDM

For the McDavid part, no way. You cannot leave out the part before and after giving the actual context when interpreting this. Well you can, but that is ignorant at best since it is clearly not what he was talking about.
(I use "you" in a general way, not directed at you specifically)

Difficult but not impossible. People can "hear" what they want in situations like this. Best to not give them the opportunity if possible. I think Klefbom needs some serious coaching with dealing with the media. If the translation is accurate.

 

[frag2]

Yet posters such as yourself and he who shall not be named by me are totally free to take shots like this at Nuge and lump him into the same category as Yak when it comes to commitment and being a soldier. Hypocrites.

My expectation from Nuge is the same as I have had with Hall. Being that both are 1st overalls, is it wrong to expect more out of Nuge as well? I've been skeptical of Nuge since 2 years ago [you can look it up in post history].

Do I want Nuge to succeed? Of course but he's got a long ways to go. Unless you're content with 56pts. I know theres more to points to being successful but a) he's a $6M player, b) he's hasn't exactly 'improved' as much as everyone keeps saying.

It's almost as if because he's got a good kid image, unlike Hall, we're supposed to give him a free pass. Hall was far from perfect [especially with his 'other' activities] but at least on ice, he showed up for the most part. What is wrong with expecting more out of Nuge?

 

[Aerchon]

Woodguy ‏@Woodguy55 8m8 minutes ago

@ThomsonCam @beardsbrown @HBomb1982 Actually Hall did better last year vs above average comp. Post coming soon.

If true and backed by some "good" stats Klefbom really has put his foot in his mouth.

 

[Suxnet]

There were people on here actually suggesting that he was more important to the team than McDavid. Klefbom got a fat new contract, but he's injured all the time. He needs to check his ego and worry more about his game and staying healthy than what idiots post online.

 

[Aerchon]

My expectation from Nuge is the same as I have had with Hall. Being that both are 1st overalls, is it wrong to expect more out of Nuge as well? I've been skeptical of Nuge since 2 years ago [you can look it up in post history].

Do I want Nuge to succeed? Of course but he's got a long ways to go. Unless you're content with 56pts. I know theres more to points to being successful but a) he's a $6M player, b) he's hasn't exactly 'improved' as much.

It's almost as if because he's got a good kid image, unlike Hall, we're supposed to give him a free pass. Hall was far from perfect [especially with his 'other' activities] but at least on ice, he showed up. What is wrong with expecting more out of Nuge as well?

I think Nuge should put up more points, but if he tops out as 60 point center but starts managing to post +30 goal differentials against top quality of competition... I take that over 90 point seasons -40 and the team a perennial bottom 5 finisher.

 

[LaGu]

Can't a mod move these to the other thread?

 

[nabob]

I don't think in "fairness" applies here. A pro athlete should know better than to make any of those comments. If he made them.

Siting fan or media opinions on how valuable he is in this situation is in poor taste. To say the least.

Someone could easily misinterprete this whole article as Klefbom is an egotistical ass who thinks he is better than McDavid and Hall sucks and we are a much better team without him.

I would hope very few will, and I don't think they should. But with the way this article is written and translated it could certainly be misinterpreted that way.

Anyone who "misinterpreted" what he said would have done so out of pure ignorance because it suits their predetermined belief.

 

[LaGu]

There were people on here actually suggesting that he was more important to the team than McDavid. Klefbom got a fat new contract, but he's injured all the time. He needs to check his ego and worry more about his game and staying healthy than what idiots post online.

Context. What did he say before and after? The McDavid thing was an appendix to a paragraph about being hurt and not being able to help the team and it was very much tounge in cheek.

 

[nabob]

My expectation from Nuge is the same as I have had with Hall. Being that both are 1st overalls, is it wrong to expect more out of Nuge as well? I've been skeptical of Nuge since 2 years ago [you can look it up in post history].

Do I want Nuge to succeed? Of course but he's got a long ways to go. Unless you're content with 56pts. I know theres more to points to being successful but a) he's a $6M player, b) he's hasn't exactly 'improved' as much as everyone keeps saying.

It's almost as if because he's got a good kid image, unlike Hall, we're supposed to give him a free pass. Hall was far from perfect [especially with his 'other' activities] but at least on ice, he showed up for the most part. What is wrong with expecting more out of Nuge?

2 years ago was by far Nuge's best season. If you became sceptical of him after that season it shows a clear bias that you have against the player.

I don't judge players based on whether or not they were a #1 over all or not. That's a really silly thing to do because anyone and their dog could tell you that just because a player was drafted #1 doesn't mean he should have to be as good as every other player ever drafted #1. And yes I did expect more from Hall,, he had much higher expectations than Nuge because of his obvious junior accomplishments and even before then.

I never said anything was wrong with expecting more from Nuge. I said it is pure BS to group him into the same category as Yak when it comes to being a "soldier" for the team. Sad that you would disparage Nuge just to try and make Hall look better in some weird way. This isn't the Nuge thread,

 

[Aerchon]

Anyone who "misinterpreted" what he said would have done so out of pure ignorance because it suits their predetermined belief.

That is exactly my point.

Everyone gets an opinion no matter what. Theres holes big enough to drive a truck through this interview.

This interview gives ammo to the ignorant and Klefbom should know better.

 

[Suxnet]

Context. What did he say before and after? The McDavid thing was an appendix to a paragraph about being hurt and not being able to help the team and it was very much tounge in cheek.

Sure didn't sound like it. I don't know if he actually believes himself to be more important than McDavid, but he thinks a bit too highly of himself at this point either way. He hasn't proven nearly enough. He can't control what fans post online, but he can control what he reads and chooses to believe.

Saying Hall only played his best against weak teams is definitely a moment. He just cannot say stuff like that regardless of Hall's attitude inside the locker room.

 

[frag2]

2 years ago was by far Nuge's best season. If you became sceptical of him after that season it shows a clear bias that you have against the player.

I don't judge players based on whether or not they were a #1 over all or not. That's a really silly thing to do because anyone and their dog could tell you that just because a player was drafted #1 doesn't mean he should have to be as good as every other player ever drafted #1. And yes I did expect more from Hall,, he had much higher expectations than Nuge because of his obvious junior accomplishments and even before then.

I never said anything was wrong with expecting more from Nuge. I said it is pure BS to group him into the same category as Yak when it comes to being a "soldier" for the team. Sad that you would disparage Nuge just to try and make Hall look better in some weird way. This isn't the Nuge thread,

I'm not gonna go on about this Nuge vs Hall vs Yak thing in this thread. I didn't take the 1 month of Nuge's best season as an indicator of where he's heading and I stand by it. He's regressed more than anything [or at least stagnant]. The soldier remark was more a comment about people slagging Hall on ice play when he's done more than either Nuge or Yak.

But take it however you see fit.

 

[nabob]

I'm not gonna go on about this Nuge vs Hall vs Yak thing in this thread. I didn't take the 1 month of Nuge's best season as an indicator of where he's heading and I stand by it. He's regressed more than anything [or at least stagnant]. The soldier remark was more a comment about people slagging Hall on ice play when he's done more than either Nuge or Yak.

But take it however you see fit.

Again why tear down one player just solely for the purpose of propping up another. Hall's solid play speaks for itself does it not? There's a whole thread about Nuge for you guys who don't like him to to spew crap like him not being a good soldier in.

 

[nabob]

That is exactly my point.

Everyone gets an opinion no matter what. Theres holes big enough to drive a truck through this interview.

This interview gives ammo to the ignorant and Klefbom should know better.

Hopefully he gets an opportunity to clairify what he said or at least smooth things over. Translations can be tricky, contexts in different cultures can also be tricky.

On another note, really cool to see that the two cornerstones of our defense are really good buds and should compliment each other really well on the ice.

 

[Aerchon]

Hopefully he gets an opportunity to clairify what he said or at least smooth things over. Translations can be tricky, contexts in different cultures can also be tricky.

On another note, really cool to see that the two cornerstones of our defense are really good buds and should compliment each other really well on the ice.

I am stoked for a Klefbom Larson pairing. I think those two compliment each other perfectly.

Probably wont have chemistry for some weird reason but on paper they look perfect.

 

[Speed220DChalavan]

Hopefully he gets an opportunity to clairify what he said or at least smooth things over. Translations can be tricky, contexts in different cultures can also be tricky.

He meant what he said, and speaks English perfectly. He's been around the league and North America for a while - this isn't his first rodeo.

Now there's damage control being done via the article author, but it's too late.

This piece reflects more poorly on Klefbom's character rather than the the other way.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I dunno what Klef is talking about...

The Oilers completely mailed in a game against the Leafs with a goalie starting the very first time in the NHL.

Some leaders this team has.

 

[Tarus]

What a dumb statement by a player who isn't even fully established in this league as a good player yet. Not even an accurate statement either.

 

[frag2]

Again why tear down one player just solely for the purpose of propping up another. Hall's solid play speaks for itself does it not? There's a whole thread about Nuge for you guys who don't like him to to spew crap like him not being a good soldier in.

I dont tear down to prop Hall and vice versa. I've always said that Nuge was disappointing IMO but keep going on

I'm done.

 

[Replacement*]

What a dumb statement by a player who isn't even fully established in this league as a good player yet. Not even an accurate statement either.

Yep. Its astounding. What could be possibly gained from making such an inane statement.

I'll stop at that.

 

[bzur]

It seems like a lot of guys are excited to have Larsson on the team, and they understand that we had to give up value to get a guy like him. Can't wait for the season to start.

 

[Dala]

Well, the first translation really did a number on this board.

"Taylor har varit vår bäste spelare de senaste åren, men det är också svårt att säga vad han har bidragit med. Han spelade aldrig sina bästa matcher mot de tuffare lagen, där vi verkligen behövde det. Däremot var han fantastisk när vi mötte de lite sämre lagen."

Attempt at translating while keeping the intentions, that are relatively clear for any Swede with average reading comprehension.
Note that this is of course not a word-by-word translation.

"Taylor has been our best player the past few years, but it is hard to quantify what exactly he has contributed. Sadly, he never played his best games against the NHL top teams, where we really needed him. On the flip side, he was amazing when we met teams rated at the bottom of the league".

I.e. note that in the Swedish paragraph there is no reference to any relative scale with Edmonton, only towards the league average.

EDIT: Oh, best to note that I don't understand why he would say the above at all. Especially, since it is obvious that even the "correctly" translated version is not very polite...

 

[Replacement*]

Well, the first translation really did a number on this board.

"Taylor har varit vår bäste spelare de senaste åren, men det är också svårt att säga vad han har bidragit med. Han spelade aldrig sina bästa matcher mot de tuffare lagen, där vi verkligen behövde det. Däremot var han fantastisk när vi mötte de lite sämre lagen."

Attempt at translating while keeping the intentions, that are relatively clear for any Swede with average reading comprehension.
Note that this is of course not a word-by-word translation.

"Taylor has been our best player the past years, but it is hard to quantify what exactly he has contributed. Sadly, he never played his best games against the NHL top teams, where we really needed him. On the flip side, he was amazing when we met teams rated at the bottom of the league".

I.e. note that in the Swedish paragraph there is no reference to any relative scale with Edmonton, only towards the league average.

EDIT: Oh, best to note that I don't understand why he would say the above at all. Especially, since it is obvious that even the "correctly" translated version is not very polite...

Correct me if I'm wrong but there isn't any defining reference at all. As in most languages some context, unstated, is inferred. Interesting that EVERY translation of this I've seen except yours clearly states "inferior teams" .

 

[Fishy McScales]

Correct me if I'm wrong but there isn't any defining reference at all. As in most languages some context, unstated, is inferred. Interesting that EVERY translation of this I've seen except yours clearly states "inferior teams" .

It is obvious from the context in the Swedish article that he does not mean teams inferior to the Edmonton Oilers, but in general the lesser teams around the league. Bottom-ten teams if you will, though that's not literally what he said.

I understand that you don't want to believe this, since it flies in the face of your agenda.

 

[bobbythebrain]

It is obvious from the context in the Swedish article that he does not mean teams inferior to the Edmonton Oilers, but in general the lesser teams around the league. Bottom-ten teams if you will, though that's not literally what he said.

I understand that you don't want to believe this, since it flies in the face of your agenda.

Exactly. Anybody trying to say otherwise is clearly looking to argue something that is not there