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[Dala]

Correct me if I'm wrong but there isn't any defining reference at all. As in most languages some context, unstated, is inferred.

Agreed, but in Swedish* the "sämre", literally "inferior", above is referencing the "best teams of the league" part. Hope that makes it a bit more clear.

* and I guess most other languages? I'm by no means a linguist...

Interesting that EVERY translation of this I've seen except yours clearly states "inferior teams" .

Maybe I should quit my day job and compete with google translate!

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

It was sad how happy hall was at the ASG and the nashville nightlife. He wanted out. His priorities were way out of whack.

 

[oStealthKiller*]

This could be good or bad IMO, doughty and other #1's have huge confidence, its a huge part about being that good of a defenxeman. At least klef is showing he has the confidence to become what I think he has the potential for

 

[Fishy McScales]

Exactly. Anybody trying to say otherwise is clearly looking to argue something that is not there

For the record, it is also entirely beside the point which makes Replacement's crusade a bit of a straw man.

The issue here is that Klefbom made an unnecessary comment about Hall's performance against a certain quality of competition, not that he thinks the Oilers were a middle-of-the-pack team last season.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Correct me if I'm wrong but there isn't any defining reference at all. As in most languages some context, unstated, is inferred. Interesting that EVERY translation of this I've seen except yours clearly states "inferior teams" .

Nail Yakupov" I don't want to hit or play defense. It's not part of my game"

 

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Nail Yakupov" I don't want to hit or play defense. It's not part of my game"

isn't that how he's going about it though?

shouldve adding scoring too

 

[Speed220DChalavan]

It was sad how happy hall was at the ASG and the nashville nightlife. He wanted out. His priorities were way out of whack.

This is such a ridiculous post.

 

[McPuritania]

This board is overreacting. It's not that big of a deal.

 

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This board is overreacting. It's not that big of a deal.

I think the only 'big' deal is the fact it went to media. If it was just hearsay from friend of friend kind of thing, meh. But the media, whether baited or honest question, asked him it and he answered it the way he did, it became unprofessional. Adding to the fact this team doesn't exactly have a good track record with comments about former teammates

Amusingly, Chiarelli came from Boston and Boston and NE media were notorious for making disparaging remarks towards former Bruins IIRC

 

[guymez]

This is such a ridiculous post.

Completely agree.

 

[oStealthKiller*]

I think the only 'big' deal is the fact it went to media. If it was just hearsay from friend of friend kind of thing, meh. But the media, whether baited or honest question, asked him it and he answered it the way he did, it became unprofessional. Adding to the fact this team doesn't exactly have a good track record with comments about former teammates

Amusingly, Chiarelli came from Boston and Boston and NE media were notorious for making disparaging remarks towards former Bruins IIRC

It's cuz they can't just come out and say we needed change but we CHOSE hall because we felt like he was holding us back. They still want the smart fan to be able to piece it all together

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

It's cuz they can't just come out and say we needed change but we CHOSE hall because we felt like he was holding us back. They still want the smart fan to be able to piece it all together

Chia's comments don't seem like they reflect that at all though. They didn't want to move Hall but NJ wouldn't budge on Larsson.

 

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It's cuz they can't just come out and say we needed change but we CHOSE hall because we felt like he was holding us back. They still want the smart fan to be able to piece it all together

Piece what exactly though? As provided by another post, Hall actually did pretty well against good teams. Visually, it may have been ugly [which is what my coworker is suggesting-Hall playing against 'weaker' teams, made scoring 'look easy' and against 'tougher', was a bit of a struggle] but he still performed decently.

Goes back to the question raised in other posts: what exactly does one accomplish with those comments?

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

This is such a ridiculous post.

Completely agree.

 

[oStealthKiller*]

Piece what exactly though? As provided by another post, Hall actually did pretty well against good teams. Visually, it may have been ugly [which is what my coworker is suggesting-Hall playing against 'weaker' teams, made scoring 'look easy' and against 'tougher', was a bit of a struggle] but he still performed decently.

Goes back to the question raised in other posts: what exactly does one accomplish with those comments?

I don't support any player making these comments. This is for closed doors.

In response to the evaluation of hall, he may have produced against good teams but not to what was expected of him. What I mean by this is klef says he was our best player. Our best player is supposed to win those games. Crosbys doughtys mcdavids step up and win those games. A 1.50 ppg vs 1.75 isn't the problem, its the win/loss.


Edit:

And to the piece together bit, I believe if you look at call the rhetoric since the hall trade it says without being said that this was more then a hockey trade. What exactly the more is depends on who you ask.

If you ask me, it appears hall was a me first player but could still work within a team. The problem was he wasn't as good as he thought he was and most likely rubbed SOME ppl the wrong way especially when ppl saw he wasn't at the level to beat these top teams(Crosby doughty mcdavid)

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

I don't support any player making these comments. This is for closed doors.

In response to the evaluation of hall, he may have produced against good teams but not to what was expected of him. What I mean by this is klef says he was our best player. Our best player is supposed to win those games. Crosbys doughtys mcdavids step up and win those games. A 1.50 ppg vs 1.75 isn't the problem, its the win/loss.

We had a worse record with McDavid than without.

Hopefully that illustrates how dumb these win/loss arguments against Hall are. Hockey is a team sport.

 

[oStealthKiller*]

We had a worse record with McDavid than without.

Hopefully that illustrates how dumb these win/loss arguments against Hall are. Hockey is a team sport.

That is a very simplistic view point. Hall had 6 years to prove otherwise, mcdavid 45 games.

And MCD did individually win us games(cbj, buf, for, la just off the top of my head)

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

That is a very simplistic view point. Hall had 6 years to prove otherwise, mcdavid 45 games.

And MCD did individually win us games(cbj, buf, for, la just off the top of my head)

6 years on terrible teams. Hockey is a team sport. Nobody, not even McDavid, could've led any of those teams into the playoffs.

Who was the best defender we had that entire 6 year span? Sekera? Petry?

 

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6 years on terrible teams. Hockey is a team sport. Nobody, not even McDavid, could've led any of those teams into the playoffs.

Who was the best defender we had that entire 6 year span? Sekera? Petry?

Whitney I think...till he lost his ankle

 

[oobga]

Whitney I think...till he lost his ankle

Whitney was a sacrifice the Katz demanded. Rexall ice turning into complete trash was a selling point for why a new arena was needed

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Why is Hall always the good guy in every story? He flips out at coaches, other players, refs, etc... but he's always a perfect angel in the eyes of some people and anyone who critiques him should be tarred and feathered.

Fair or not he was the face of the Oilers during his entire tenure here and the needle didn't budge an inch. We were in a playoff spot for all of a day in 6 years...

 

[Bryanbryoil]

There is a thread for the Klefbom comments, please continue that discussion there.

 

[McBooya42]

Yep. You're owning this. Of any of the players on this team Hall was most likely to show up in games against tough squads. Not sure what Klef is even on about here.

False actually. ...

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/h...teams-oscar-klefbom-tells-swedish-interviewer

Klefbom calling it as it is.

 

[oStealthKiller*]

6 years on terrible teams. Hockey is a team sport. Nobody, not even McDavid, could've led any of those teams into the playoffs.

Who was the best defender we had that entire 6 year span? Sekera? Petry?

Really? People want to argue hall is some amazing franchise player but literally every other player of that caliber in that time period were able to get their team to win games. And don't even try to tell me Crosby didn't impact anything in his 2nd season. Hall just wasn't good enough. He is a slightly better Rick Nash when it comes to ability to lead a team.

Let's put it this way, would you still think mcdavid is the best player in the world if he played the first 6 years of his career without enough of an impact for his team to make the playoffs?

 

[Shizuka]

It was refreshing to hear from Larsson himself at the golf tourney scrum that he isn't really into social media, he doesn't possess many of those types of accounts, etc. A hockey player, focused on playing hockey and not wanting nor needing to be a social media star.. amazing.