Tavares extension -> May Reportedly Happen in the Near Future

[notbias]

1. Was I comparing Bennett to AM, MM and Willie? Maybe you should include McD, Mack and Drai stats too.
2. Bennett is a better player than JT at this point.
3. What had JT done in the playoffs for both Islanders and the Leafs?
4. JT is making more than twice what Bennett is making the past few years and yet Bennett done more than JT in the playoffs.

You are advocating for a big pay gap between similar players because one is a stud and one is a dud, even though they put up very similar numbers.

Just makes no sense at all.

 

[Gabriel426]

You are advocating for a big pay gap between similar players because one is a stud and one is a dud, even though they put up very similar numbers.

Just makes no sense at all.

What the heck are you talking about?

My OG post is about Bennett at 7.5mil is better value than JT at 5.5mil if both are available this coming summer as UFA.

Don’t build narratives in your head that doesn’t even exist

 

[notbias]

What the heck are you talking about?

My OG post is about Bennett at 7.5mil is better value than JT at 5.5mil if both are available this coming summer as UFA.

Don’t build narratives in your head that doesn’t even exist

You are advocating for 7.5 vs 4.5.

They are comparable by the numbers currently.

Also called the player with the most offensive zone draws for his team, a true shutdown center....

What the heck are you talking about?

 

[Gabriel426]

You are advocating for 7.5 vs 4.5.

They are comparable by the numbers currently.

Also called the player with the most offensive zone draws for his team, a true shutdown center....

What the heck are you talking about?

1. The contract is for the next few years after this one.
2. Bennett has more value than JT going forward
3. Bennett played against opposing top lines all playoffs. And is a better defensive C than JT.
Having offensive zone starts doesn’t mean they are not matchup with opposing top line.

then again what do you know about defensive player as you probably still think MM is as good if not better than Barkov as MM almost won the Selke while Barkov already won it.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

He just took one, I hope he takes another though.



I don't disagree, but he has left $14 million on the table already.

I don't think he owes Toronto anything, and I don't think he will be remembered fondly unless they win something, so not sure it matters if he does all this stuff.

We have never known the TERM that San Jose offered Tavares. Stop making things up.

And the proposed 5 years at 4.5 would be an atrocity of a contract.

 

[notbias]

We have never known the TERM that San Jose offered Tavares. Stop making things up.

And the proposed 5 years at 4.5 would be an atrocity of a contract.

Here is your source

They were even willing to go as high as $91-million to sign No. 91, which is $2-million more per season on a seven-year deal than he ended up getting from the Toronto Maple Leafs.

NYI offered more for longer too. I can find that if you want.

I hate when the media is reporting on something I made up...

 

[hamzarocks]

if tavares drops one step further he may be entering Colton Orr/Frazer MacLaren level of value in the palyoffs

3 pts in 12 games is just wild

Not expecting more than 1 or 2 in 7 next year.

He is such a low IQ player he can finds different ways to blow offense and cost the team.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

if tavares drops one step further he may be entering Colton Orr/Frazer MacLaren level of value in the palyoffs

3 pts in 12 games is just wild

Not expecting more than 1 or 2 in 7 next year.

He is such a low IQ player he can finds different ways to blow offense and cost the team.

Orr and McLaren had the stones to fight even then and risk suspensions. Tavares is fighting with his accountants as we speak. Big difference.

 

[Gabriel426]

if tavares drops one step further he may be entering Colton Orr/Frazer MacLaren level of value in the palyoffs

3 pts in 12 games is just wild

Not expecting more than 1 or 2 in 7 next year.

He is such a low IQ player he can finds different ways to blow offense and cost the team.

But he took a discount to sign with Leafs and gave up his captaincy.

Honestly, we all know how JT is going to play out his career. He will retire as a Leafs…. And years later be remembered as the biggest UFA flop in history. Bc he really didn’t improve the Leafs Cuo chances.
Hope he change that this coming season but won’t bet anything on it.

Orr and McLaren had the stones to fight even then and risk suspensions. Tavares is fighting with his accountants and wife as we speak. Big difference.

Interesting note, it seems like beside Willie, the other four seems to be in some sort of trouble outside of being a Leafs.
AM had that underwear’s incident.
MM with his security.
Morgan with his house permit.
JT with CRA.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Interesting note, it seems like beside Willie, the other four seems to be in some sort of trouble outside of being a Leafs.
AM had that underwear’s incident.
MM with his security.
Morgan with his house permit.
JT with CRA.

If Willie keeps rocking those faux braids and shiny necklaces he's going to be in trouble with Berube.

 

[WillyC]

Yes, it was 14x7… $91 million.

If it was not… SJ would have definitely come forward and said, yeah, no, we never offered that much.

That was the 2018 market and Toronto signed him for $14 million less than he could have made elsewhere.

All the armchair wannabe GMs who think he could have been had for $7- 9 million are ignoring the fact, the media and a large part of the fan base would have been all over the Leafs for refusing to bring him home to Toronto as the most highly touted UFA in recent memory.

Back in 2018… who else would you Sunday morning GMs sign to put us over the top with an extra $2- 4 million had Tavares signed for $7- 9 million?

Everyone knew the last years would be an overpayment… plus, nobody, and I mean nobody, had Covid and a stagnant cap on their bingo card in 2019-20.

If John Tavares takes another team discount… leaving millions more on the table… he’s definitely earned his opportunity to retire as a Toronto Maple Leaf.

 

[notbias]

if tavares drops one step further he may be entering Colton Orr/Frazer MacLaren level of value in the palyoffs

3 pts in 12 games is just wild

Not expecting more than 1 or 2 in 7 next year.

He is such a low IQ player he can finds different ways to blow offense and cost the team.

The irony...

 

[ULF_55]

If Willie keeps rocking those faux braids and shiny necklaces he's going to be in trouble with Berube.

Willie would probably be the guy Berube would want to hang out with.

Who needs all the drama the other guys bring.
Talk about downers!

 

[hamzarocks]

The irony...

2 word post to make an insulting comment... of course from a poster like yourself its irrelevant.

Yes, it was 14x7… $91 million.

If it was not… SJ would have definitely come forward and said, yeah, no, we never offered that much.

That was the 2018 market and Toronto signed him for $14 million less than he could have made elsewhere.

All the armchair wannabe GMs who think he could have been had for $7- 9 million are ignoring the fact, the media and a large part of the fan base would have been all over the Leafs for refusing to bring him home to Toronto as the most highly touted UFA in recent memory.

Back in 2018… who else would you Sunday morning GMs sign to put us over the top with an extra $2- 4 million had Tavares signed for $7- 9 million?

Everyone knew the last years would be an overpayment… plus, nobody, and I mean nobody, had Covid and a stagnant cap on their bingo card in 2019-20.

If John Tavares takes another team discount… leaving millions more on the table… he’s definitely earned his opportunity to retire as a Toronto Maple Leaf.

Tavares can f*** off to whoever overpays him the most this time instead of giving us a "discount".

We are good, and don't want a supposed discount where Tavares produces at histroically horrific rates for his AAV and kills our chance to contend.

50 pt producers don't get honored and get to retire a TML.

Tavares can chase money elsewhere. He is a failed experiment and needs to be cut.

 

[Knies iT]

People have an incredibly out of touch opinion on the value of hockey players. He scored the same amount of goals as seven other NHLers last year (Marchand, Kadri, Fiala, Thompson, McCann, Robertson, Boldy) and their average cap hit is 6,841,836. Only one of them makes less than 6 (McCann) and five of them make 7 or more (all but Marchand).

This is not to suggest we should be offering 7 x 7 or something like that, but if we got him at 3 or 4 years at 4 or 5 million, that's a discount (even if you don't want to believe that it is).

And I'd bet this rumour is true, especially after how he's handled the C situation, so if you think we're gonna see him off into UFA or sign him for something ridiculous like league minimum (even the 2 million suggestions are funny), you better make like Samuel L. Jackson and hold onto your butts.

How many of them are declining with barely average foot speed and are set to be paid that ticket until they’re 38-39?

His production is dropping quick despite playing with elite talent, coming off a 77 mill contract, and a zero success over his term.

Rationalizing paying a late 30s Tavares 5+mill is insane. If he wants to be paid appropriately for his production he can do as Pavelski did and find it elsewhere. He’ll likely have no problem doing that.

It’s not about what his market value is, it’s about what he’s willing to take to win in a market he says he’s committed to. We need that number to be no higher than 4m short term.

 

[seanlinden]

How many of them are declining with barely average foot speed and are set to be paid that ticket until they’re 38-39?

His production is dropping quick despite playing with elite talent, coming off a 77 mill contract, and a zero success over his term.

Rationalizing paying a late 30s Tavares 5+mill is insane. If he wants to be paid appropriately for his production he can do as Pavelski did and find it elsewhere. He’ll likely have no problem doing that.

It’s not about what his market value is, it’s about what he’s willing to take to win in a market he says he’s committed to. We need that number to be no higher than 4m short term.

Pavelski is actually a reasonable comparable here.... basically look at his 5 years worth of contracts with Dallas.

First contract was a 3-year deal at $6m (years 2 and 3 of that deal would be considered 35+ years).
Second contract was 1 year, $5.5m cap hit, and $500k of potential bonuses.
Third contract was another 1-year, $3.5m cap hit, and $2m of potential bonuses.

Prior to his inital contract with the Stars, Pavelski had 3 reasonably consistent years, producing in the mid 60s for points. From a goal perspective, his contract year he had 38, but the two prior years he had 29 and 22. Given his age, likely viewed as a guy that will score in the high 20s.

First year in Dallas was rough - 31 points in 67 games. but after that, Pavelski went on to play in every game for the Stars over 4 years. He put up 276 points in 302 games, a pace of 75 points per year, of which nearly 30 would have been goals.

Tavares right now is coming off a down year, but that "down year" for him was 65 points and 29 goals.

He's also a year younger than Pavelski was when he signed his initial Dallas contract.

Even if you equate Pavelski of 5 years ago and Tavares today (which i personally think is a very reasonable thing to do), factor in the cap changes, and he should reasonably be able to get himself a 3 or 4 year deal at $7m on the open market IMO.

Objectively, if you can get him for under $5m, how can you say no to that? Where are you going to get a better deal on a #2 centre?

 

[tuckerintensity]

It’s not about what his market value is.

That's actually all it's about.

 

[Mess]

In the future Tavares must either move to to wing to remove defensive responsibilities adjusting for him lack of foot speed now, or #C center and paid accordingly.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Tavares is so slow he's actually a winger playing C.

He must be signed as a 3C winger.

the AAV is low.

Trade or own rental if he wants big money.

I don't mind keeping Tavares if DITCH MITCH.

Tavares can be hard balled easily as he doesnt want to move. (family reasons).

Overpay for Tavares = LOSER ORGANIZATION.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

That's actually all it's about

So you actually want the softest captain in team history back to keep doing what exactly?

 

[hurdemz]

if tavares drops one step further he may be entering Colton Orr/Frazer MacLaren level of value in the palyoffs

3 pts in 12 games is just wild

Not expecting more than 1 or 2 in 7 next year.

He is such a low IQ player he can finds different ways to blow offense and cost the team.

Sometimes you say some pretty smart things, then you say things like this, and it makes me question your IQ

 

[hamzarocks]

Sometimes you say some pretty smart things, then you say things like this, and it makes me question your IQ

His production is horrific his last 2 playoff series.

3 pts in 12 games. Hes produced same as David Kampf

The only level below that is Orr/Mclaren/Reeves level production which is a 1 or 0 in 7.

I expect a 0 in 7 from Tavares for the leafs before his leaf careee is done.

I question the IQ of Tavares/Core 4 fans everytime I'm on these boards. It is hard to know if people are trolling, fake fans pretending to be leaf fans, or simply such crazy fanboys that they feel personally obliged to defend this group who have failed at everyturn, and chased every $ during negotiations.

Never seen a fanbase bend themselves over to defend a core as shit and riddled with failure as the Matthews era leafs

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Under no circumstances should Tavares be back. Maybe league minimum as a face off specialist. But he wears the stink of failure so even that would be a bad idea. A couple of years ago I was hoping he could be back as a cheap scoring winger since they've overpaid everyone, but even that ship has sailed.

 

[seanlinden]

Under no circumstances should Tavares be back. Maybe league minimum as a face off specialist. But he wears the stink of failure so even that would be a bad idea. A couple of years ago I was hoping he could be back as a cheap scoring winger since they've overpaid everyone, but even that ship has sailed.

Who'd you rather have?

 

[Roo]

I’m for bringing him back if it’s a good deal for us, but I see no reason for the leafs to make a deal before the offseason. We’ll have a clearer picture of this team under Berube, and making a call on Tavares in the near future may hamstring us in the offseason.