Player Discussion Tage Thompson 2

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"Team first" "Team first" "Team first".....

He sounds like he's channeling Don Granato.
I'm a converted fan of Tage; I was so wrong about him in every way possible. Not only did he put up point totals, but he showed creativity, skill, leadership (both vocally and on the ice). Coming to the defense of Skinner was a big showing that this team is gelling in the right ways. So Giraffe, I salute you! Keep this shit going!

I loved this message. But, I hate how the players in some cases were still greasing up the Pegula's. If the Pegula's stay out of the team's business and let the front office do their part this offseason, I will stop harping on the Pegula's. However, at this point they still have a lot to answer for on the meddling front.
 
He has never NOT said the right things at these press scrums, even when the answers are not going to be flattering toward himself. He took his assignment to the AHL like a pro and everyone down there at the time talked about how hard he worked and yet at the same time did so without complaint. He worked through the shoulder injury in much the same way - saying and more importantly DOING the right things to come back better.

I have no doubt in my mind that he will be working doggedly to improve over the summer. I can only guess at what that could mean next year, but hearing him say he's going to go all in on improving his faceoff conversions should make a big difference.
 
He has never NOT said the right things at these press scrums, even when the answers are not going to be flattering toward himself. He took his assignment to the AHL like a pro and everyone down there at the time talked about how hard he worked and yet at the same time did so without complaint. He worked through the shoulder injury in much the same way - saying and more importantly DOING the right things to come back better.

I have no doubt in my mind that he will be working doggedly to improve over the summer. I can only guess at what that could mean next year, but hearing him say he's going to go all in on improving his faceoff conversions should make a big difference.
He has the ability to be dominant as a 2-way force in my opinion. With his reach, he should truly be able to start being an all-around beast. If there was ever a late bloomer, Tage is the perfect example.

What I'm hoping for next year is to see him start breaking through against the better/more structured teams in the league. I understand that these teams shut down good players, but in looking closely at his game log, you'll see that he struggled to put up counting stats against some of the better opponents (Boston, Florida, Washington, Edmonton, LA which are all big/talented teams). This may be perfectly normal and there were other examples where he performed admirably (Carolina, Tampa, Colorado), but he seems to have really done most of his damage against the less structured teams (i.e. Flyers, Leafs, Blue Jackets, Canadiens, Devils).

Also, his splits at Home/Away are a very stark difference ... Over a point-per-game at home and +1, while he's ~0.7 points per game on the road and -18. This led me to check a few other Centers in and around his point total and he's not that far off from guys like Larkin, Suzuki, Stephenson, Hertl, and even Bergeron, but Tage had the most eye-popping differential in terms of ES production. I know +/- is frowned upon as a measure, but do think it's relevant here in that he's clearly being matched up against on the road and is not faring nearly as well offensively or defensively. A decent improvement here could go a long way, and closing that gap is likely just part of the growing process at the position.

A few examples of teams he struggled against (namely Boston/FL have the big-time shutdown #1 Center and d-man):

Boston - 4 GP 0G 2A Minus-2 - Only 1 ES point, no primary points.
Florida - 4 GP 1G 1A Minus-7
Washington - 3 GP 0G 1A Minus-1

I'd like to think that Tage will take his second-half performance and grow from that point. He was over a point-per-game basically from the time that Tuch game into the lineup. I think Tage needs Tuch on his line, especially if Skinner is on the other flank. I don't think he's necessarily going to be a consistent 35-40 goal guy, but should be able to sniff 30 for the next several years, especially getting the top-line minutes. I see no reason he can't sniff 70-80 points. Winning more key offensive zone/PP draws should only help his point totals. When a guy like Bergeron can come in and basically beat him every time, it's going to be tough to put up ES points against that line. He's already putting up low-end #1 Center numbers, the question is whether he can round out his 2-way game and keep up his second-half production rates. He could then enter the conversation of a top-15ish center. Having a rock-solid defense (and better goalie) behind him should only aid in that as well.

All in all, just glad we can even have this conversation. Imagine a Sabres team this year without Tage and we're probably below Montreal in all likelihood.
 
If he comes back with a 35-35-70 type season, he's probably looking at 8 yrs and 8-9 mil per.
Not sure it would go that high. I think the Mangiapane contract might set the tone this summer so we'll see what he signs for. I'd guess more in the ballpark of 7m - 7.5m. Likely going to be Tage and Troy Terry waiting to see what the other one gets with whoever signs first.
 
Not sure it would go that high. I think the Mangiapane contract might set the tone this summer so we'll see what he signs for. I'd guess more in the ballpark of 7m - 7.5m. Likely going to be Tage and Troy Terry waiting to see what the other one gets with whoever signs first.
Center could get more winger but unlikely to get more Hertl or Zibanejad.
 
Forgive me if this was discussed elsewhere, but Evolving Hockey has Thompson’s contract projection at 5 x $5.3M if we signed him today.

Do we take the risk and do something like that, or even something like 6 x $6M, if he’s willing to sign this summer?

Or do we wait and see and risk him costing us another $1.5-2M per season, or maybe his production falls off a cliff?
 
Not sure it would go that high. I think the Mangiapane contract might set the tone this summer so we'll see what he signs for. I'd guess more in the ballpark of 7m - 7.5m. Likely going to be Tage and Troy Terry waiting to see what the other one gets with whoever signs first.

Center could get more winger but unlikely to get more Hertl or Zibanejad.

Yup, Centers will certainly get more. And given his age, if he has a season next year that's even slightly better than this past one, I see absolutely zero reason why he won't get the $8M or $8.5M Hertl and Zibanejad got.

The cap is going to take a big step up once the Covid escrow & flat cap status is completed, and we're going to see a corresponding increase in player salaries. So it would behove us to lock him up either this summer (for $7M or under on a long term deal) or sometime mid-late way through next season or next summer to a Zibanejad/Hertl type numbers if he improves his production beyond what he did this past season.


Forgive me if this was discussed elsewhere, but Evolving Hockey has Thompson’s contract projection at 5 x $5.3M if we signed him today.

Do we take the risk and do something like that, or even something like 6 x $6M, if he’s willing to sign this summer?

Or do we wait and see and risk him costing us another $1.5-2M per season, or maybe his production falls off a cliff?


He has shown me enough already that I would JUMP at the chance to sign him for 6 x 6. We would be getting an absolute steal at that value. And the amount he could get if he improves upon this season could be more ethan $2M.

So if he wants anything up to about $7M or under on a long term deal, I jump at that. But if he wants $8M or more, he needs to have an even better season than he did this past year before I'm committing that IM).
 
It would be very smart for KA to lock up Tage 6x6, as soon as possible. (And Sammy 6x4)


Honestly, if we truly see him as a long term parter for Rasmus as a double left-shot pairing, and given his age, I'd go 8 years with Sammy if we could get him for approx $4.5M.

In 6 years when we want to re-sign him, a top pair/top 4 stay at home monster like him probably gets 6-$7M with the cap increase and overall inflation that will occur.
 
Yup, Centers will certainly get more. And given his age, if he has a season next year that's even slightly better than this past one, I see absolutely zero reason why he won't get the $8M or $8.5M Hertl and Zibanejad got.

The cap is going to take a big step up once the Covid escrow & flat cap status is completed, and we're going to see a corresponding increase in player salaries. So it would behove us to lock him up either this summer (for $7M or under on a long term deal) or sometime mid-late way through next season or next summer to a Zibanejad/Hertl type numbers if he improves his production beyond what he did this past season.
But no more. Tage will need to show good statistics and performance next season to even qualify for such a contract.
 
But no more. Tage will need to show good statistics and performance next season to even qualify for such a contract.

Yeah. 7M or less if signing him long term this summer.

Or if he has another year as good or better next season, then we can go $8-8.5M. But I’m not ready to give him more than 7M i if he wants it now. We neee to see another great season before we go more than. 7M, even if we’re 95% sure he’ll do it. That’s the way I see it anyway.
 
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In an ideal world, he's on the second line behind Krebs-Quinn (and hopefully Peterka), correct? That line would have a lower basement but a significantly higher ceiling.

I'd love to see TT as the second line force with Skinner and Tuch moving forward. Consistently good, hard-working guys. Skinner showed he'll put the effort in this year and I know Thompson will back up what he says. Obviously goes for Tuch without saying.

Then we can have Mitts ideally working the third line and taking advantage of lower-pairing guys. Cozens can find his fit between the three once Okposo is gone.

It's a blueprint, not a comprehensive plan, but I assumed that was the idea and if that's the case, I don't know how comfortable I am with giving Tage more than $7 per and I'm honestly a little gun shy about long contracts with the recent deals we've given out.

I think the ceiling with Tage is visible. Physically and mentally he's there in a lot of ways but he does not have the really elite qualities that the newer guys have, let alone whoever we may draft this year. It could all turn into nothing with Krebs/Quinn/etc. and they don't hit the peak that they have, but if they do, they are the core of the offense imo.
 
In an ideal world, he's on the second line behind Krebs-Quinn (and hopefully Peterka), correct? That line would have a lower basement but a significantly higher ceiling.

I'd love to see TT as the second line force with Skinner and Tuch moving forward. Consistently good, hard-working guys. Skinner showed he'll put the effort in this year and I know Thompson will back up what he says. Obviously goes for Tuch without saying.

Then we can have Mitts ideally working the third line and taking advantage of lower-pairing guys. Cozens can find his fit between the three once Okposo is gone.

It's a blueprint, not a comprehensive plan, but I assumed that was the idea and if that's the case, I don't know how comfortable I am with giving Tage more than $7 per and I'm honestly a little gun shy about long contracts with the recent deals we've given out.

I think the ceiling with Tage is visible. Physically and mentally he's there in a lot of ways but he does not have the really elite qualities that the newer guys have, let alone whoever we may draft this year. It could all turn into nothing with Krebs/Quinn/etc. and they don't hit the peak that they have, but if they do, they are the core of the offense imo.
I think you are underselling Tage a bit here. There is literally nobody in the league like him. I’d say it’s hard to put a ceiling on him yet. His wingspan alone allows him to do things that nobody else, on either the Sabres or the opponent can.
 
I think you are underselling Tage a bit here. There is literally nobody in the league like him. I’d say it’s hard to put a ceiling on him yet. His wingspan alone allows him to do things that nobody else, on either the Sabres or the opponent can.

Yeah, I absolutely might be. I definitely tend to be lower on him than most people on the board. I still am not in love with his consistency and his style of play is not my personal preference for players I'd like to see (smoother skaters, higher IQ passers, etc.), but that could also be primarily just aesthetics.

The wingspan is interesting for sure. I guess we'll see. If he can keep it up going into next season I'll gladly eat crow.
 
In an ideal world, he's on the second line behind Krebs-Quinn (and hopefully Peterka), correct? That line would have a lower basement but a significantly higher ceiling.

I'd love to see TT as the second line force with Skinner and Tuch moving forward. Consistently good, hard-working guys. Skinner showed he'll put the effort in this year and I know Thompson will back up what he says. Obviously goes for Tuch without saying.

Then we can have Mitts ideally working the third line and taking advantage of lower-pairing guys. Cozens can find his fit between the three once Okposo is gone.

It's a blueprint, not a comprehensive plan, but I assumed that was the idea and if that's the case, I don't know how comfortable I am with giving Tage more than $7 per and I'm honestly a little gun shy about long contracts with the recent deals we've given out.

I think the ceiling with Tage is visible. Physically and mentally he's there in a lot of ways but he does not have the really elite qualities that the newer guys have, let alone whoever we may draft this year. It could all turn into nothing with Krebs/Quinn/etc. and they don't hit the peak that they have, but if they do, they are the core of the offense imo.

Not correct. That line doesn‘t even work in the AHL and certainly shouldn’t be expected to be the top line in the NHL. We’re also far from knowing if Krebs can be an effective center. What gave you the idea that was the plan?

As for Tage, I wouldn’t get too hung up on #1, #2 center, etc. Granato is likely to roll the lines pretty equally, especially the top 3. I‘m not sure what his next contract should be. Probably wait to see what he does next year before deciding. But Quinn/Peterka/Krebs have no bearing on what he should or shouldn’t get paid.
 
Not correct. That line doesn‘t even work in the AHL and certainly shouldn’t be expected to be the top line in the NHL. We’re also far from knowing if Krebs can be an effective center. What gave you the idea that was the plan?

As for Tage, I wouldn’t get too hung up on #1, #2 center, etc. Granato is likely to roll the lines pretty equally, especially the top 3. I‘m not sure what his next contract should be. Probably wait to see what he does next year before deciding. But Quinn/Peterka/Krebs have no bearing on what he should or shouldn’t get paid.

Well, usually when two guys who are scouted as having top-line qualities offensively are 21 or younger they tend to get the benefit of the doubt...Quinn and Krebs have elite qualities that I don't think Thompson has...it's fine to defend him as being better for now but counting them out because they don't always work in the AHL (a vastly different experience) is failing to see the forest for the trees.

Krebs and Quinn absolutely should have a bearing on what Thompson gets paid because if they turn out to be as good as their ceilings suggest, we want to have money for them on-hand.
 
I'd try to lock him up to the 5x5.5 or 6x6.5. It'll either be an amazing contract that lets them compete or a real anchor. Gotta gamble in the cap world.
 
I'd try to lock him up to the 5x5.5 or 6x6.5. It'll either be an amazing contract that lets them compete or a real anchor. Gotta gamble in the cap world.
"Anchor??? We need to talk..."
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Well, usually when two guys who are scouted as having top-line qualities offensively are 21 or younger they tend to get the benefit of the doubt...Quinn and Krebs have elite qualities that I don't think Thompson has...it's fine to defend him as being better for now but counting them out because they don't always work in the AHL (a vastly different experience) is failing to see the forest for the trees.

Krebs and Quinn absolutely should have a bearing on what Thompson gets paid because if they turn out to be as good as their ceilings suggest, we want to have money for them on-hand

There is no plan with Quinn/Krebs locked in as 2/3rds of our top line. Thats why I asked you where you got that idea from because its not a thing. Yet you keep using it as the basis for how we should handle Tage.

You also had a rigid pecking order to the centers in your initial post of Krebs, Tage, Mitts and then Cozens. That isn’t a thing either. Tage is the clearly the best center at the moment but the overall group is still developing and a work in progress. How it all plays it is hard to say at this point. Any of Mitts, Cozens or Krebs could end up a top 6 center with Tage. Krebs is hardly a lock to be that guy.

Signing Tage will be about how they view Tage going forward and not about other players. They are always going to be other contracts down the road. Teams sign their talent and worry about the cap when they're forced to do so. Which for this team will be a few years down the road. Maybe teams should worry sooner but they don’t. They also have various means to navigate that situation as well.
 
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