TV: Survivor: General Discussion

[Peasy]

Jeff just doesnt want straight up assholes like Russel anymore.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Your second paragraph makes more sense than your first, the general public are assholes and there are a bunch of ways for people to harass other people. Jeff being all "make it nice" or whatever is just him being out of touch.

Could a villian not hide themselves during the process and then turn on the switch when they get to Fiji?

Yep, there are plenty of villains out there in the world, not sure why Jeff feels the need to shelter the show from them. If it's for the kids, I think it would be more helpful for the kids to see that some people are just nasty, but you can still be good and succeed in spite of them. He has gone as far to say that there will never be another villain as long as he's in charge of the show. Apparently Mark Burnett was a bigger fan of the villains, but I think he's sort of taken a back seat.

I imagine that a villain could try to do that, but I'm sure they'd probably get a really bad edit and likely get booted early. I don't think most modern Survivor players would put up with a true villain character for too long.

 

[zombie kopitar]

IIRC I thought he had also said at one point that it had to do with the way that fans treat villain players. They get abused and bullied online. Hell, Maria from this season wasn't even really a villain, and she got doxxed and harassed relentlessly.

Yes this is the reason, also their edits used to just be meaner and less flattering, I think they toned it down for these reasons too; I mean reality TV in general used to just be mean, like early American Idol, Fear Factor, ect
But come on Maria was a villain. She had no social awareness out the gate, was cockier than she should have been and then it just spiraled after the rock/paper/scissors fiasco. The way they gave her the hero's exit when she was voted out with the triumphant score music and all, was just f***ing embarrassing; and that's the problem, the edit tried to create something that wasn't there, which was the lovable super mom who was on the door step of winning. The only villain edit they've done in the new era was Shan, and it was still very lighthearted and she was playing into it

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Yes this is the reason, also their edits used to just be meaner and less flattering, I think they toned it down for these reasons too; I mean reality TV in general used to just be mean, like early American Idol, Fear Factor, ect
But come on Maria was a villain. She had no social awareness out the gate, was cockier than she should have been and then it just spiraled after the rock/paper/scissors fiasco. The way they gave her the hero's exit when she was voted out with the triumphant score music and all, was just f***ing embarrassing; and that's the problem, the edit tried to create something that wasn't there, which was the lovable super mom who was on the door step of winning. The only villain edit they've done in the new era was Shan, and it was still very lighthearted and she was playing into it

Yeah I mean, Maria was definitely cocky into the end game. The rock-paper-scissors thing was perfectly devious lol and definitely pushes her into villain territory I suppose. But she was no Fairplay/Russel/Corrine

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Jeff just doesnt want straight up assholes like Russel anymore.

Russell is the extreme, you can still have villains that aren't that crazy. Show has become so vanilla. The villains is what make camp life entertaining.

 

[BIeucheeseWithWings]

Jeff just doesnt want straight up assholes like Russel anymore.

That is too bad; he is one of the most polarizing players of all-time. The show needs more Russell's compared to the "super fans" that producers are now casting.

 

[BIeucheeseWithWings]

Yeah I mean, Maria was definitely cocky into the end game. The rock-paper-scissors thing was perfectly devious lol and definitely pushes her into villain territory I suppose. But she was no Fairplay/Russel/Corrine

Ever since I began watching the show, I have held the belief that reward invites (especially family visits) should be decided by asking the tribemates to pick a random number or partake in a game of RPS. Maybe I'm just Pejorative Slured, because I don't understand why a large percentage of viewers disagreed with Maria's decision.

 

[BIeucheeseWithWings]

I am hard pressed to come up with 20 players I would want to see for season 50. Seasons 39, 41 and 42 are a blank for me; with season 41 being the worst in its history, in my opinion. Off the top of my head, I can think of: Cassidy, Tevin, Charlie, Noelle, Jesse, Cody, James, Yam Yam, Carson, Drew, Emily, Kaleb, Hunter, Tiffany. This is based on my assumption players from seasons 40-current will be cast. Hopefully casting can find some future legends in seasons 47-49; it's been a while since they have found one.

Damn, just looking back at photos from seasons in the 30s -- casting did an amazing job. Edit: From 2001 to 2019, Lynne Spillman was the casting director; Jesse Tannenbaum succeeded her. This guy f***ing stinks. It is no wonder why the show changed when he took over for season 39.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Ever since I began watching the show, I have held the belief that reward invites (especially family visits) should be decided by asking the tribemates to pick a random number or partake in a game of RPS. Maybe I'm just Pejorative Slured, because I don't understand why a large percentage of viewers disagreed with Maria's decision.

well part of the issue with Maria was her nonsense the reward before about “I’m taking the person who needs to the food the most”. And then taking Q who had just been on reward. Maria gave a lot of lip service but then ultimately didn’t make a decision.

If RPS was the norm it would be different, but this was so random and she lip service she gave beforehand ends up feeling insulting imo.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Moved on to Blood vs. Water. Powering through it pretty quickly. Excellent season so far.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Finished Blood vs. Water the other day. I already knew who won, but still an excellent season. I already really liked Tyson and had seen him on multiple seasons before, but he cemented his spot as my favorite player after BvW. Big Ciera fan as well. Took some major drive and Mamba mentality for her to do what she did.


I've moved on to Nicaragua, great season so far. I'm about 1/3 of the way through and this cast is chock-full of characters. Watching these older seasons really puts into perspective how bland and vanilla the casting is in current seasons. They try so hard to diversify the casts, but it ultimately just winds up being a bunch of vanilla people who all wanna go there and be best buddies with everyone.

They would never cast another Naonka, or Jimmy T.... Hell they don't even cast famous people anymore. I don't believe they've cast one notably famous person in the post 40 era. Jimmy fkn Johnson was on Nicaragua for crying out loud!

 

[Peasy]

Finished Blood vs. Water the other day. I already knew who won, but still an excellent season. I already really liked Tyson and had seen him on multiple seasons before, but he cemented his spot as my favorite player after BvW. Big Ciera fan as well. Took some major drive and Mamba mentality for her to do what she did.


I've moved on to Nicaragua, great season so far. I'm about 1/3 of the way through and this cast is chock-full of characters. Watching these older seasons really puts into perspective how bland and vanilla the casting is in current seasons. They try so hard to diversify the casts, but it ultimately just winds up being a bunch of vanilla people who all wanna go there and be best buddies with everyone.

They would never cast another Naonka, or Jimmy T.... Hell they don't even cast famous people anymore. I don't believe they've cast one notably famous person in the post 40 era. Jimmy fkn Johnson was on Nicaragua for crying out loud!

Biggest issue today with casting is casting all white collar, really high education people.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Biggest issue today with casting is casting all white collar, really high education people.

Yep. They had like 3 lawyers on two seasons ago lol. Gotta get back to casting more every day people and some edgy folks.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Yep. They had like 3 lawyers on two seasons ago lol. Gotta get back to casting more every day people and some edgy folks.

Those are too unpredictable so they are scared to cast them.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Just finished Nicaragua last night.

I already knew who won, but it was a fairly interesting season anyway. Bit of a dud in the gameplay department, but quite a shit show of a cast, really and a lot of weird situations.

It's a shame Jimmy Johnson's Survivor season was rife with so many clowns. That other guy Jimmy actually tried to say that Jimmy f***ing Johnson was jealous of his leadership abilities lol.

I loved the bitter jury, everyone shredded Sash to bits. I heard that Sash had offered Jane money if she voted for him to win, which is why she, and some others, were ripping him so hard.

 

[BIeucheeseWithWings]

Lol. The cast for season 47 looks like the same ones from 41-present; and of course no blue collars. My half-cree ass is not surprised at all by there being zero Natives, but virtually every other ethnicity represented: asian, indian, black, white, hispanic.

 

[BIeucheeseWithWings]

Just finished Nicaragua last night.

I already knew who won, but it was a fairly interesting season anyway. Bit of a dud in the gameplay department, but quite a shit show of a cast, really and a lot of weird situations.

It's a shame Jimmy Johnson's Survivor season was rife with so many clowns. That other guy Jimmy actually tried to say that Jimmy f***ing Johnson was jealous of his leadership abilities lol.

I loved the bitter jury, everyone shredded Sash to bits. I heard that Sash had offered Jane money if she voted for him to win, which is why she, and some others, were ripping him so hard.

I loved that season; Jane was a favourite of mine. I was happy with the winner. Of course Brenda; the most beautiful Survivor of all-time, IMO.

 

[shakes the clown]

Lol. The cast for season 47 looks like the same ones from 41-present; and of course no blue collars. My half-cree ass is not surprised at all by there being zero Natives, but virtually every other ethnicity represented: asian, indian, black, white, hispanic.

hopefully they get rid of the blue hair contingent this time around. And more importantly, I hope they get rid of the resume building game bots. They absolutely ruin the game. Bring in more emotionally unstable people and people who never read a book on game theory. Those are the people who make this show entertaining.


And get rid of the ethnic racial scorecard when casting. Put the best 16 people on the show regardless of what they look like. I don't care if that means 16 white people or 16 blue people, just put the best 16 people on the show.

And get rid of the crap where only half the people are eligible to be voted out episode 1.

 

[Apex Predator]

hopefully they get rid of the blue hair contingent this time around. And more importantly, I hope they get rid of the resume building game bots. They absolutely ruin the game. Bring in more emotionally unstable people and people who never read a book on game theory. Those are the people who make this show entertaining.


And get rid of the ethnic racial scorecard when casting. Put the best 16 people on the show regardless of what they look like. I don't care if that means 16 white people or 16 blue people, just put the best 16 people on the show.

And get rid of the crap where only half the people are eligible to be voted out episode 1.

They’ll never do that again. They try to avoid that type of backlash. I believe you can find 16 entertaining people and have a mixture of all ethnicities included.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

hopefully they get rid of the blue hair contingent this time around. And more importantly, I hope they get rid of the resume building game bots. They absolutely ruin the game. Bring in more emotionally unstable people and people who never read a book on game theory. Those are the people who make this show entertaining.


And get rid of the ethnic racial scorecard when casting. Put the best 16 people on the show regardless of what they look like. I don't care if that means 16 white people or 16 blue people, just put the best 16 people on the show.

And get rid of the crap where only half the people are eligible to be voted out episode 1.

I'm not sure what "blue hair contingent" really means, but unfortunately resume building is just the way of the world these days. Even outside of Survivor people are really hooked on building up resumes and being "efficient". As boring as it is sometimes, I think it's pretty boring for winners who didn't seem to actually accomplish anything win the game just by not hurting anyone's feelings.

As with many things in life, it seems like what I call "The Pendulum Effect" is happening here. When things go one way for a long time and then an over-correction makes the pendulum swing too far in the other direction. For a long time there was very little variety in representation, casts of a lot of good looking white people. Now the pendulum swings the other way and you get the kind of casts we see these days. I'm hopeful that the pendulum will even out and we'll get something a bit more in the middle. I don't see there being anything particularly wrong with having a variety of all ethnicity. Your first point is more of the issue, IMO, with them not wanting to cast villain or unhinged type of people.

As a straight white guy with aspirations to get on the show, it seems there's really only about 1, maybe 2, spots I'd even be eligible for these days.

 

[Peasy]

1/3 of the cast for 48 has been leaked so far and basically all are white collar type of jobs. furthest from that so far is a PE teacher lol.

 

[shakes the clown]

They’ll never do that again. They try to avoid that type of backlash. I believe you can find 16 entertaining people and have a mixture of all ethnicities included.

I can only go with what I've seen and so far after several seasons of trying they have yet to cast an ethnically diverse cast that is entertaining.

It's almost like by prioritizing skin color over personality they are, as a result, getting a less entertaining cast.

 

[BIeucheeseWithWings]

I can only go with what I've seen and so far after several seasons of trying they have yet to cast an ethnically diverse cast that is entertaining.

It's almost like by prioritizing skin color over personality they are, as a result, getting a less entertaining cast.

That's exactly what it is. It is no coincidence the "new era of survivor" coincides with a new casting director. The lady that was there for 17 years did a fantastic job of casting. Now it's the same group every season. Trust fund babies ruin everything.

 

[izzy]

Just finished Nicaragua last night.

I already knew who won, but it was a fairly interesting season anyway. Bit of a dud in the gameplay department, but quite a shit show of a cast, really and a lot of weird situations.

It's a shame Jimmy Johnson's Survivor season was rife with so many clowns. That other guy Jimmy actually tried to say that Jimmy f***ing Johnson was jealous of his leadership abilities lol.

I loved the bitter jury, everyone shredded Sash to bits. I heard that Sash had offered Jane money if she voted for him to win, which is why she, and some others, were ripping him so hard.

i am still missing marty to this day

 

[Rodgerwilco]

i am still missing marty to this day

Marty freaked me out honestly because he looked uncannily like my bio dad if he was healthier and didn’t do drugs lol.