Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[The Shadow]

I wish they’d just never trade first rounders again unless they are getting back a young player equivalent to a first rounder

Who would you rather have right now?

Carlo or Cowan?

Laughton or Cowan?

One has a very high upside/potential and could be a top 6 key player the other guys are bottom end players

 

[Casino Royale]

Coach Deboer not happy team moved away from heavy to more skill and talks of other Robertson being shipped out of Dallas. Wouldn’t say it’s that likely. More likely McMann for Marchment.

Coach DeBoer about to be couch DeBoer

 

[Rare Jewel]

Sign and trade Marner to Vegas and take back Karlsson. Maybe flip Mcmann in the deal to make it work.

Knies - Matthews - xxx
Tavares - Karlsson - Nylander
Domi - Laughton - Cowan
Lorentz - xxx - Steeves

Ex: Patches

Tanev - Mccabe
Rielly - Carlo
Oel - Benoit

Dump Jarnkrok, Robertson, Holmberg and Kampf to a bottom deal needing some good vets/role players. If we have to keep Kampf to start the year as the 4th C, go for it. We need room for our young guys to play and succeed. Find a spot for Steeves and maybe Quillan. I am not opposed to signing Patty Kane and putting him in the Marner spot. Hell sign Toews while we're at it for the 4C spot! He can rotate with Laughton of things go well. Don't spend stupid. Use the cap to recoup some assets and wait to spend on someone(s) worthwhile.

Maybe Kreider makes sense for Line 1... dunno. I'd love some speed there to hustle like Knies.

We're really changing the DNA here...

 

[namttebih]

Are there any rules about trading picks beyond 3 years? I don't think there is.

I thought that there was for some reason. Just did a little digging and couldn't find anything.

 

[Tony Romo]

I thought that there was for some reason. Just did a little digging and couldn't find anything.

I think only the NBA has rules on trading picks, don't think NHL has any.

 

[SprDaVE]

I thought that there was for some reason. Just did a little digging and couldn't find anything.

You can in theory trade 4x 1st round picks in a row via an offer sheet

 

[SprDaVE]

I wish they’d just never trade first rounders again unless they are getting back a young player equivalent to a first rounder

Who would you rather have right now?

Carlo or Cowan?

Laughton or Cowan?

One has a very high upside/potential and could be a top 6 key player the other guys are bottom end players

Teams in our position use picks all the time to add players typically locked up or that can give you good depth. Cowan was a fantastic pick but the reality is that most prospects in his range take substantially longer to develop and some never pan out.

Carlo or Chase Stillman? Who is that? Exactly.

They got aggressive and it didn't quite payoff yet. They should keep trying. When it's time to rebuild or there's a shift somewhere, picks will be added.

I will say though the Leafs need to do a much better job a recycling players for picks. They let far too many players walk for free, but that's another issue all together.

 

[namttebih]

Montreal also made the playoffs last year. Crosby would rather play for Montreal than Toronto if all things were equal
and the answer is absolutely no. Not giving up Cowen and Danfort for Sid and I love Sid

You are actually better of going after Malkin for few draft picks. Still has some juice left in him and won't cost you much considering he's an FA next year

They made the playoffs, but I don't think that it would be unfair to say that the Leafs are closer to contention. Toronto's window in right now while MTL is probably a couple of years away still. At 37, you would think that that would be important.

I chose our best 4 non-roster assets because of the retention. If you could have Matthews, Crosby at 4.4, Tavares at 4.5 and Laughton at 1.5 down the middle, you would have cash remaining to sign top UFA wingers. Not to mention the desire of latter to be centered by the former.

Regardless, it was more of a question of going all in for the right player, than acquiring Sid specifically.

 

[namttebih]

You can in theory trade 4x 1st round picks in a row via an offer sheet

Good point

 

[TheKingSlayer]

We're really changing the DNA here...

Can only do so much in one year. Adding 4 new players is a good start. Karlsson is selke-calibre and gives us a great 1-2. JT can begin his new career as a winger which will slow the game down for him. Cowan adds a fun element and forms an OHL line. The wildcard will always be who plays with Matthews. The #1 line has to produce at all times, so who gets that out of Matthews? That's the challenge.

The D and goalies are fine. I am also open to swapping Rielly, but the D is hardly the problem.

 

[JKG33]

Can only do so much in one year. Adding 4 new players is a good start. Karlsson is selke-calibre and gives us a great 1-2. JT can begin his new career as a winger which will slow the game down for him. Cowan adds a fun element and forms an OHL line. The wildcard will always be who plays with Matthews. The #1 line has to produce at all times, so who gets that out of Matthews? That's the challenge.

The D and goalies are fine. I am also open to swapping Rielly, but the D is hardly the problem.

If Matthews' $13m ass needs anyone to get him producing then he's an even worse player than I thought, which is really saying something.

This team should be able to have a 1st line of say Knies-Matthews-Domi and be perfectly fine. Then a 2nd line of say McMann-Tavares-Nylander. Which allows cap space to be spent on a competent 3rd line.

However I think youre way off re Marner & Vegas. I dont see Vegas having any interest in that loser, and if they move out a forward I think itd be Hertl

 

[Americanadian]

If Matthews' $13m ass needs anyone to get him producing then he's an even worse player than I thought, which is really saying something.

This team should be able to have a 1st line of say Knies-Matthews-Domi and be perfectly fine. Then a 2nd line of say McMann-Tavares-Nylander. Which allows cap space to be spent on a competent 3rd line.

However I think youre way off re Marner & Vegas. I dont see Vegas having any interest in that loser, and if they move out a forward I think itd be Hertl

There’s been ample reporting over the last week that VGK tried to trade for Marner last summer.

I agree I don’t see a stylistic fit but they clearly want the player.

 

[JKG33]

There’s been ample reporting over the last week that VGK tried to trade for Marner last summer.

I agree I don’t see a stylistic fit but they clearly want the player.

Friedman mentioned on his podcast Vegas inquired, but it was a conversation that went nowhere.

Vegas is an aggressive team. If we had threads for every player they inquired about there'd be one for damn near every player. But the reality is this is only a story because it involves Toronto.

The other bit of reality is that Vegas wasnt willing to give up anything of value, which really shows what they think of Marner

 

[Fogelhund]

I've just spent a moment playing with the forwards in Cap Wage... I just went with an incredibly physical group, pick up a couple of guys that are likely to be cap casualties....

Knies Matthews P. Kane
E. Kane Bennett Nylander
Marchment Tavares McMann
Laughton Krebs Jeannott/Anderson (if bought out)/Comtois

 

[TMLAM34]

UFA SIGNINGS:
Sam Bennett - 7 years, 8.5 million per
Tanner Jeannot - 4 years, 2.85 million per


TRADES:
To Toronto: Tyler Bertuzzi
To Chicago: Nick Robertson + David Kampf + FLA 2nd round Draft Pick

OUT: Calle Jarnkrok, Ryan Reaves and Matt Benning


LINEUP:
Bertuzzi(5.5) - Matthews(13.25) - Domi(3.75)
Knies(7.5) - Bennett(8.5) - Nylander(11.5)
McMann(1.35) - Tavares(5) - Cowan(0.88)
Laughton(1.5) - Quillan(0.88) - Jeannot(2.85)

Rielly(7.5) - Carlo(3.49)
McCabe(4.51) - Tanev(4.5)
Benoit(1.35) - Ekman Larsson(3.5)
Myers(0.85)

Stolarz(2.5) - Woll(3.67)

Cap Hit: 94.33 million
Cap Remaining: 1.17 million

 

[WTFMAN99]

I've just spent a moment playing with the forwards in Cap Wage... I just went with an incredibly physical group, pick up a couple of guys that are likely to be cap casualties....

Knies Matthews P. Kane
E. Kane Bennett Nylander
Marchment Tavares McMann
Laughton Krebs Jeannott/Anderson (if bought out)/Comtois

What's your P.Kane, Bennett and JT wages?

 

[Fogelhund]

What's your P.Kane, Bennett and JT wages?

I have a lot of thoughts on JT. Allegedly he was willing to sign for $5 mil extension at the beginning of the year... if so, and they are still in that camp, offer 6 years x $3.5 mil. You don't expect him to play all those years, he's pre-35, he gets more, we save on AAV. But for my math, I did $5 mil.

Kane was $3.455 Bennett was $7, Knies $7.2

Again, I'm just using CapWages suggestions. Personally, I think Kane comes in cheaper, and Bennett higher, but I didn't worry about it, as I think they cancel each other out.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I have a lot of thoughts on JT. Allegedly he was willing to sign for $5 mil extension at the beginning of the year... if so, and they are still in that camp, offer 6 years x $3.5 mil. You don't expect him to play all those years, he's pre-35, he gets more, we save on AAV. But for my math, I did $5 mil.

Kane was $3.455 Bennett was $7, Knies $7.2

Again, I'm just using CapWages suggestions. Personally, I think Kane comes in cheaper, and Bennett higher, but I didn't worry about it, as I think they cancel each other out.

I think it does work out in the end as you say..

5-7 years for Bennett around 7.5M
Patty Kane is 4-5M
Tavares would be fun to do like 2.5M x 8, front load the hell out of it.

 

[rumman]

Coach DeBoer about to be couch DeBoer

yeah axe your coach because he pulled a goalie who in that game couldn't stop a beachball, pure genius............

 

[Fogelhund]

I think it does work out in the end as you say..

5-7 years for Bennett around 7.5M
Patty Kane is 4-5M
Tavares would be fun to do like 2.5M x 8, front load the hell out of it.

Plus there is so many other options... don't take on Marchment, keep Domi and that gives you another mil... or you don't take on either, and hope that somehow Cowan makes it, and that gives you nearly $4 mil in more space... there are so many options to make the top six work easily enough.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Plus there is so many other options... don't take on Marchment, keep Domi and that gives you another mil... or you don't take on either, and hope that somehow Cowan makes it, and that gives you nearly $4 mil in more space... there are so many options to make the top six work easily enough.

I've been having ideas about the 4th line that might not be traditionally an 8-10 minute a night line but more like a 12-14 minute one.

Cowan-Toews/Kuraly/Faksa/Quillan-Perry

Cowan with alumni Perry and maybe a veteran centre centre or Perry gets some young legs in Cowan and Quillan to have fun with.

 

[Fogelhund]

I've been having ideas about the 4th line that might not be traditionally an 8-10 minute a night line but more like a 12-14 minute one.

Cowan-Toews/Kuraly/Faksa/Quillan-Perry

Cowan with alumni Perry and maybe a veteran centre centre or Perry gets some young legs in Cowan and Quillan to have fun with.

I guess it depends on how confident they are that Quillan can step up. He played very well last year for the Marlies, but that's a big step to depend on him.

Plus, that line seems to suggest Laughton is on the third line... which doesn't excite me to be honest. Also, outside of Perry, there isn't the physicality I might want.

But.. if you went with Perry, instead of the other guys I've got listed, and didn't get Krebs... if Quillan isn't ready, Laughton could play there. Comtois could be a 13th guys at league minimum, you slide up to the fourth line if Quillan isn't ready.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I guess it depends on how confident they are that Quillan can step up. He played very well last year for the Marlies, but that's a big step to depend on him.

Plus, that line seems to suggest Laughton is on the third line... which doesn't excite me to be honest. Also, outside of Perry, there isn't the physicality I might want.

But.. if you went with Perry, instead of the other guys I've got listed, and didn't get Krebs... if Quillan isn't ready, Laughton could play there. Comtois could be a 13th guys at league minimum, you slide up to the fourth line if Quillan isn't ready.

I think if you have Marchment and E.Kane in this line up in addition to Perry, Laughton, Benoit, Knies...it is a decent start.

Toews/Kuraly/Faksa wouldn't shy away and I don't even think Cowan would hide if he's riding shot gun with the right guys.

The issue I have with guys like Jeannot is similar to Lorentz is that there is zero offense happening there. Do you value the PK ability more than the physicality? Depending on which players you actually end up with, you need to make sure you have a group that'll let us still have success with special teams etc.

If you landed most of the guys we've spoken about above...Matthews, 88 and Patty Kane would be guys I don't think will be doing anything in terms of consistently laying the body.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Can only do so much in one year. Adding 4 new players is a good start. Karlsson is selke-calibre and gives us a great 1-2. JT can begin his new career as a winger which will slow the game down for him. Cowan adds a fun element and forms an OHL line. The wildcard will always be who plays with Matthews. The #1 line has to produce at all times, so who gets that out of Matthews? That's the challenge.

The D and goalies are fine. I am also open to swapping Rielly, but the D is hardly the problem.

Yes and no.

You don't need to re-sign Tavares, nor bring back half of those players, really. I think if the MO, as Treliving said, is changing the DNA, then something that looks like that line up is not a very good attempt IMHO.



I'd disagree about the defence, but that's another discussion.

 

[ULF_55]

Plus there is so many other options... don't take on Marchment, keep Domi and that gives you another mil... or you don't take on either, and hope that somehow Cowan makes it, and that gives you nearly $4 mil in more space... there are so many options to make the top six work easily enough.

I think the easy go is 1st. line; Knies - Matthews - Domi.

IMO, the real work is the middle 6, with the 2nd. line: ? - ? - Nylander.