GDT: Superbowl GDT- Patriots vs Seahawks

[didimentionlarseller]

Seriously, though. After all is said and done, I can't stress this enough...

**** the Patriots.

This is a good start but doesn't go far enough

 

[HabsDieHard*]

Looks good on the Seahawks.

Bunch of zealouts.

 

[Le Tricolore]

How them Jets doing?

They're awful, but at least they have a new GM and OC.

 

[didimentionlarseller]

“It’s not the right matchup for us to run the football,†Carroll said. “So on second down, we throw the ball, really to kind of waste that play. If we score, we do. If we don’t, then we’ll run it on third and fourth down. Really, with no second thoughts or hesitation in that at all.â€

We throw the ball, really to kind of waste that play.

It’s an incomprehensible and inexcusable explanation. Carroll should’ve chosen his words more carefully. It sounds as if the Seahawks weren’t even valuing that second-down opportunity.

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2025601887_brewer02xml.html


seriously i think he's still in the denial stage right now

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

Tom Brady broke, tied or extended 9 Super Bowl records

Most completions in a game/half (already has the career records for passes, completions, and passing yards)
Most starts
Most touchdowns
Tied most Superbowl wins as a starter
Tied most Superbowl MVPs

He's basically the man. Love the last line of that article:

"The Super Bowl record book next year should probably just have a picture of Brady on it."

 

[ClasslessGuy]

To be fair, it was what, 2nd down? That play was still basically open if not for a tremendous play from a rookie back, and they still would have had two more chances to run it with Lynch if that gets dropped or stopped right at the line. Bad gamble in hindsight, since everyone and their dog knows the Beast is their main/most reliable weapon, but going after a rookie back on 2nd down when you're reading cover 0 at the goal line isn't the worst mistake you can make as a quarterback.

Might be Wilson's worst mistake though, I guess.

Well the OC said in an interview he read the cover 0. I was reading the seahawks boards and apparantly Wilson doesn't really have a lot to say on the play calls / audibles.

 

[Haaabs]

Cover 0 or not, you're on the 1 yard line on 2nd down with 20 seconds left, a timeout and Marshawn Lynch...

-Run on 2nd down
If touchdown celebrate
If not, call timeout

-Pass on 3rd down
If completed, celebrate
If incomplete, clock stops and run a 4th down play
If intercepted, cry

The call would have made sense if the Patriots had been stuffing the run all night and had made Lynch ineffective. The Patriots had 2 timeouts left, and let the clock run from :40 to :20. They LIKED the defense they had on against what they saw from the Seahawks and they let the play run.

You are more likely to have a ball intercepted than you are to have Lynch Fumble. In my mind, no explanation will ever justify passing the ball there.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

Well the OC said in an interview he read the cover 0. I was reading the seahawks boards and apparantly Wilson doesn't really have a lot to say on the play calls / audibles.

Well, that's true enough. But the quarterback gets the INT, not the OC, and he can still check down to another guy, or chuck it out of bounds if the look isn't right. When Wilson pulled the trigger, his man looked open enough to get across the line. Huge, huge play by Butler, which is why I don't blame either the OC or Wilson for trying to get the ball in there on 2nd down. That was the Patriots' 1st and only INT of the game, and they didn't have enough timeouts to potentially go for 3 running plays in a row, if that's what it ended up taking.

Basically, if it was going to take 3 downs to get in (with Lynch, that's not the bet I'd take, but whatever), one of those plays was going to have to be a pass attempt. See a cover 0 and spot a rookie back between you and the end zone? All things considered it's still kinda stupid, but I understand. Part of playing the Patriots is not falling into the trap of over-thinking yourself trying to find ways to beat them.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

All I could think of when I saw that final play was:

'I bet Therrien had something to do with it.'

 

[zzoo]

I'm just curious, what's roughly the percentage of throwing a pass at 1 yard, instead of running ? Run: 95%, pass: 5% ?

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

I'm just curious, what's roughly the percentage of throwing a pass at 1 yard, instead of running ? Run: 95%, pass: 5% ?

In 2013, it was 69% run success, 52% pass success. This year's numbers aren't there yet, obviously.

(cool search engine for such things: here)

Changing it to match the situation a bit better (last 2 mins, defense up by 4, 1 yard, 2nd down), 4/4 run plays were successful (100%) vs 8/12 for pass plays (67%). Note that in this kind of situation, NFL teams attempted 12 passes vs 4 runs in 2013 (though the success rates are right there to see). Also note that this is all 1-2 yards to go situations; not just goal line situations.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

For the record, the miracle catch that got them there wouldn't have happened 99/100 times so it's a moot point - easy come, easy go.

The Pats deserved the win.

 

[ClasslessGuy]

Cover 0 or not, you're on the 1 yard line on 2nd down with 20 seconds left, a timeout and Marshawn Lynch...

-Run on 2nd down
If touchdown celebrate
If not, call timeout

-Pass on 3rd down
If completed, celebrate
If incomplete, clock stops and run a 4th down play
If intercepted, cry

The call would have made sense if the Patriots had been stuffing the run all night and had made Lynch ineffective. The Patriots had 2 timeouts left, and let the clock run from :40 to :20. They LIKED the defense they had on against what they saw from the Seahawks and they let the play run.

You are more likely to have a ball intercepted than you are to have Lynch Fumble. In my mind, no explanation will ever justify passing the ball there.

This, and on top of that it wasn't a cover 0

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

This, and on top of that it wasn't a cover 0

Sure looked like cover 0 though, didn't it. That's how championship defenses do it.

 

[didimentionlarseller]

For the record, the miracle catch that got them there wouldn't have happened 99/100 times so it's a moot point - easy come, easy go.

The Pats deserved the win.

the Seahawk comeback at the end of the first half was pretty epic to go tied at halftime

they then dominated play the rest of the game until the Seattle D just collapsed at the very end

Seattle deserved the win Kearse should have just walked into the end zone with that ball - Superbowl over everyone was just kind of shocked he actually got that pass

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

the Seahawk comeback at the end of the first half was pretty epic to go tied at halftime

they then dominated play the rest of the game until the Seattle D just collapsed at the very end

Seattle deserved the win Kearse should have just walked into the end zone with that ball - Superbowl over everyone was just kind of shocked he actually got that pass

That's odd, because I watched New England perform better on 3rd down, leading to more/longer drives and significantly more possession time, and better in the red zone, leading to more points on the board. Seattle only had the ball for, like, 5 minutes of the 4th quarter, and that last hopeful drive was, what, their 3rd "successful" drive of the entire 2nd half (received kick after half time)?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

New England seemed to dominate for most of the game but Seattle's Wilson did his typical thing where he's gone for most of the game and then suddenly comes alive...

I'm glad the Pats won. That catch in the late 4th was so flukey. Hate seeing teams lose it on flukey plays like that. Bad call by Seattle at the end but they had been making risky calls like that for a while now. Same thing with the fake field goal last time around and the 'go for it' play at the end of the half. Gotta take the good with the bad.

 

[T Low]

If they wanted to pass, why not throw it high to Mathews again?

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

If they wanted to pass, why not throw it high to Mathews again?

Normally a good question, but I don't even think he was on the field for the play. But if you guys look at the replay again, when the ball leaves Russell's hand, Lockette was wide open on the 2 yard line slanting into space, and Butler was 2 yards deep in the end zone, behind Kearse and Browner (I think?). It took an amazing jump to meet the ball at the receiver (at the goal line) from there, let alone hold onto it for the INT.

 

[PuckSeparator]

Furkin hate the Pats and all Boston sports team and wanted Shady Brady to show his true colors after yet another almost-impossible comeback by his opponent. I know he has it in him to go all Hulk crazy...

With that said this is the biggest fail in NFL history, those guys will never be able to let that one down.. unless they win another one. And that won't happen if Beast Mode is not around which it doesn't look like he will.

 

[Haaabs]

If they wanted to pass, why not throw it high to Mathews again?

Commentators mentioned this during the game. Since Matthews wasn't a starting WR he was never used in 2 minute drills so he hadn't practice with that unit and didn't know the routes. It was absurd not to use him the way he had been playing yesterday, but that might have been the coach's thinking.

Don't know why they couldn't have taken him aside and said "hey run a fade route into the corner, we'll try to get you isolated and in a 1 on 1." Then just throw him a jump ball.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

Furkin hate the Pats and all Boston sports team and wanted Shady Brady to show his true colors after yet another almost-impossible comeback by his opponent. I know he has it in him to go all Hulk crazy...

Hahaha, Shady Brady? True colours? Delicious tears. Here are 3 of Brady's 4 primary colours btw:

With that said this is the biggest fail in NFL history, those guys will never be able to let that one down.. unless they win another one. And that won't happen if Beast Mode is not around which it doesn't look like he will.

You know, a big part of that fail was the defensive line jumping offside and giving Brady space to kneel the ball. A safety to make it 28-26 with ~20 seconds left (and a timeout) and a short field could also have made a difference.

 

[didimentionlarseller]

That's odd, because I watched New England perform better on 3rd down, leading to more/longer drives and significantly more possession time, and better in the red zone, leading to more points on the board. Seattle only had the ball for, like, 5 minutes of the 4th quarter, and that last hopeful drive was, what, their 3rd "successful" drive of the entire 2nd half (received kick after half time)?

going into fourth quarter Seattle was in control they won the third quarter after coming back to tie just before the half the Seattle defense was getting the job done until the last Brady drive. Im not saying the Pats didnt score but meh screw the Pats

Pats won because of the worst play call in SB history Seattle should have just let Lynch run it three times no hesitation

sorry im a Giants fan i could salt the ocean over the Pats

 

[Bob Cole]

Tom Brady surgically picking apart the best defense since probably the 2000 Ravens like it was nothing

Greatest of all time.

 

[peate]

Tom Brady surgically picking apart the best defense since probably the 2000 Ravens like it was nothing

Greatest of all time.

He was great but GOAT? Not sure.

Hard to pick between all 4 time winners, Bradshaw, Montana and Brady. My vote goes to Montana.