Summer '15 Thread (All Proposals/Blog Rumors in here)

[major major]

....and now there's no longer the chance to gain any cap relief by putting someone on LTIR.

I hope more people read this and wonder what the hell Jarmo is doing.

It's obvious that Jarmo made the move because he isn't going to get the money to go over the cap anyways. The only other alternative explanation for the trade is that Jarmo is a complete moron, which is not the case.

No matter, how good your F's if whole your defence costs 13 mln nowadays. Now we have to begin true retooling, trade Hartnell ( he has now good value to get + 5 mln cap space), trade Arty ( to get + 3 mln cap space), keep useless Clarkson for 5 mln 4 years, develop youngsters. This Horton fake will be expensive for us, but it's good lesson - any job must be done professionally.

We don't need another retool. If our youth keep developing on schedule we'll be fine, and it helps to have some vets like Hartnell around. We'll probably see Hartsy and Arty go at some point but there's no hurry.

 

[Cowumbus]

I saw that Buffalo was wanting a deal around Cody Hodgson for David Clarkson.. is this real life

 

[niflheim]

We don't need another retool. If our youth keep developing on schedule we'll be fine, and it helps to have some vets like Hartnell around.

I respect your opinion. Can I only correct your text as "some vets like Clarkson"? I hope Clarkson we ll be good

 

[We Want Ten]

It's obvious that Jarmo made the move because he isn't going to get the money to go over the cap anyways. The only other alternative explanation for the trade is that Jarmo is a complete moron, which is not the case.



We don't need another retool. If our youth keep developing on schedule we'll be fine, and it helps to have some vets like Hartnell around. We'll probably see Hartsy and Arty go at some point but there's no hurry.

Just like Wiz was no rush either right? Also, I am not so sold on your first point either.

 

[Cowumbus]

Upgrade our d through trades. I would look at Dumba/Spurgeon in Minny. They need future top 6 C (Karlsson, Wennberg, even arty) and we could even send them reilly + too

 

[CBJx614]

Upgrade our d through trades. I would look at Dumba/Spurgeon in Minny. They need future top 6 C (Karlsson, Wennberg, even arty) and we could even send them reilly + too

Id possibly move Arty, but no way am i sending them Wennberg or Wild Bill. And the ONLY way Reilly is possibly moved is if its for sure that hes not gonna sign, which i think they'll know fairly soon as the sesson is winding down.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

could we retain his salary maybe like 50% and trade him so then we can get someone in free agency with that money to resign letestu and or give arty a little raise. Like Clarkson at 50 percent for a 5th?

Clarkson's was the most difficult in the league to get rid of.

We're stuck with him. For 5 years. At $5.25 per year.

 

[Xoggz22]

Couple points need to be considered...

1) CBJ will be looking for depth in free agency only. Little chance of adding another long term deal in free agency

2) any top pairing dman discussion needs to include the word trade.

The blue jackets already have a ton of money wrapped up in long term contracts. Adding one in free agency simply isn't going to happen. They will look to move a few forwards and try to improve the bottom 6 along with adding depth on defense. If you direct more you are likely to be very disappointed.

 

[JacketsDavid]

Clarkson's was the most difficult in the league to get rid of.

We're stuck with him. For 5 years. At $5.25 per year.

Exactly agree 100%.

And in actual dollars it's like $5.5M per season ($5.5M in 15-16, $7M each in 16-17 and 17-18, $4.75M in 18-19 and $3.25M in 19-20).

 

[Viqsi]

I think this is closer. I tried to come up with something earlier to offer the Preds where we could keep our 1st, and it isn't pretty. JJ + Anisimov + Milano + 2 2nds for Jones + Stalberg. (There's no way the Preds would trade Jones and take on salary, hence we take Stalberg).

But if you ask Preds fans they'd want even more, and it might still be in our interest to pay more.

Speaking as a part-time Preds fan, I'd turn that down. It's not value amount, it's type of assets. The only reason to trade Jones would be to fill the primary hole the Preds have in terms of futures - which is a young #1C to replace Ribeiro. So unless Wennberg can be sold as having #1C upside (not "top-six", #1 - this is Jones we're talking about here), I don't think it's doable.

Now, a trade for Ellis, OTOH...

 

[major major]

Speaking as a part-time Preds fan, I'd turn that down. It's not value amount, it's type of assets. The only reason to trade Jones would be to fill the primary hole the Preds have in terms of futures - which is a young #1C to replace Ribeiro. So unless Wennberg can be sold as having #1C upside (not "top-six", #1 - this is Jones we're talking about here), I don't think it's doable.

Now, a trade for Ellis, OTOH...

That's why Dylan Strome (if we are in that draft position) for Seth Jones makes sense.

 

[blahblah]

Speaking as a part-time Preds fan, I'd turn that down. It's not value amount, it's type of assets. The only reason to trade Jones would be to fill the primary hole the Preds have in terms of futures - which is a young #1C to replace Ribeiro. So unless Wennberg can be sold as having #1C upside (not "top-six", #1 - this is Jones we're talking about here), I don't think it's doable.

They can keep Jones. Pretty gawd awful trade proposal on way too many levels to count.

 

[major major]

They can keep Jones. Pretty gawd awful trade proposal on way too many levels to count.

Because you're too lazy to post your reasoning I'll just go ahead and make a strawman out of you. You can go for quantity or value over quantity and sometimes come out ahead, but in the Jackets case we are loaded with assets and completely empty when it comes to the players who play the most - #1D. In general, having a dominant defender playing the 30 hardest minutes every game is a lot more valuable than a second rate defender (JJ) and a whole handful of secondary assets, and it's even more true for a team like ours that is overflowing with secondary pieces.

 

[alphafox]

At this point I think we need two things. First, upgrades at the top of our blueline and second respected veterans that can teach the kids. So my proposed moves would be...

1.Trade Anisimov, Tyutin, and picks for the best D-man we can get.
2. Overpay Jagr to be a mentor, leader, and power play specialist. Put him on a line with Wennberg and Dano then give him time on the Powerplay with Johansen. I really think having a legend with a legendary work ethic would do wonders for a young team.
3. Sign a veteran blueliner for Depth.
4. Sign or promote a 4th line center for cheap.
5. Win lottery and draft Mcdavid (just kidding)

Ideal projected lineup

Foligno-Johansen-Atkinson
Hartnell-Dubinsky-Dano
Jenner-Wennberg-Jagr
Calvert-Letestu-Morin

Murray-(Shattenkirk?)
Johnson-Savard
Golobubef-Cotton
Prout

Bob

 

[DarkandStormy]

Reilly obviously plays a part, whether or not he can get signed. Can likely step in next season on the PP and maybe 3rd pair. But that loads up the left side if no one else is moved. Tyutin, Johnson, Murray, Connauton, possibly Reilly - all left-handed. I'm doubting Falk is brought back. Heatherington could surprise (but likely another year away) - he's a lefty. On the right side it's Savard, Prout, and Golo if he's brought back. Maybe Madaisky. So, we have mostly 2nd and 3rd pair guys. I think Murray is a #1/2 IF he stays healthy. It's really a lot of average guys on the blue line. Personally, I would try to package one (Tyutin if you don't like his age, Prout if you think he's too slow) with prospect(s)/pick(s) and/or Anisimov perhaps to try and get a top pair righty. Savard's advanced stats are terrible the more he plays up in the lineup, so he could play on the 2nd pair. Prout/Golo are ok on the 3rd pair with the right partner. As of now, the blue line is crowded with average players, and the forwards are crowded in the bottom 6.

 

[major major]

I don't think Tyutin + Anisimov + picks (assuming not 1st rounders) gets you a real #1D. Not even close. I think we'll have to pay a lot more and we should.

 

[JacketsDavid]

I don't think Tyutin + Anisimov + picks (assuming not 1st rounders) gets you a real #1D. Not even close. I think we'll have to pay a lot more and we should.

Exactly. Trading spare parts and a couple 2nd round picks doesn't get you back a young stud (unless there are other situations like the kid requests a trade, is in trouble, etc).

To get Jones it would take Johansen. Or one of our young forwards plus a first. Something like that IMO.

 

[cslebn]

I don't think Tyutin + Anisimov + picks (assuming not 1st rounders) gets you a real #1D. Not even close. I think we'll have to pay a lot more and we should.

I keep coming back to Strome for Jones and I kind of like it more every day.

 

[alphafox]

I don't think Tyutin + Anisimov + picks (assuming not 1st rounders) gets you a real #1D. Not even close. I think we'll have to pay a lot more and we should.

I don't know. I think Anisimov is one of the better 2nd line centers in the league and Tyutin is a solid #3 D-man (at least for the next year or 2), add our second and Toronto's and I think that brings back a low end top paring guy, maybe not a #1, but a top pairing. With Murray and whoever we draft coming up as our future 1st pairing we need someone to bridge the gap as well as be an example to the prospects and rookies.

If people are targeting Seth Jones, Ekblad, etc. than yes this package isn't landing a #1 D, however I don't think we need to be targeting one as the price will be much too high to justify a trade.

 

[DarkandStormy]

I don't think Tyutin + Anisimov + picks (assuming not 1st rounders) gets you a real #1D. Not even close. I think we'll have to pay a lot more and we should.

I was more talking about an upgrade on the right side over Savard. Doesn't have to be a clear cut #1. But the right side is in need of an upgrade with Wiz gone.

There's still too many bottom 6/depth forwards and bottom 4/depth D on the roster for next year - will probably see a trade or two to, in my guess, upgrade the blue line and the RW spot.

 

[BluejacketNut]

Any time Jarmo needs to make a trade, I get nervous

 

[Mayor Bee]

Any time Jarmo needs to make a trade, I get nervous

Needs to? Several weren't needs at all.

 

[EspenK]

For all you who think we're getting a top pairing D man in trade, enjoy the trip. Short of us giving up way too much it just isn't going to happen.

 

[DarkandStormy]

For all you who think we're getting a top pairing D man in trade, enjoy the trip. Short of us giving up way too much it just isn't going to happen.

I don't think we are - I think it's an area that needs addressed considering the only top pair guy is always hurt. Whether it's addressed through a trade, FA, draft, or internally (development)...we'll have to wait and find out.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

For all you who think we're getting a top pairing D man in trade, enjoy the trip. Short of us giving up way too much it just isn't going to happen.

I'm doubtful this happens, but to your comment -- depends on your definition of way too much.