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To me that's the ideal scenario (depending, of course, on who gets moved out in the trade). Will be trickier to accomplish post-draft without the abundance of first-rounders to build a deal around.
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To me that's the ideal scenario (depending, of course, on who gets moved out in the trade). Will be trickier to accomplish post-draft without the abundance of first-rounders to build a deal around.
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By depth pickup I mean 3rd or 4th liner on the NHL. I assume Jarmo will sign plenty of NHL/AHL tweeners and an NHL ready goalie, but didn't count that
Based on what's left in cap space, I think who you acquire depends on how much they make and how much you're trading away. I think I've made my point pretty clear, unless you're willing to give up multiple assets, the prime trade target is RJU. The question is, would anyone take him.
I think if we take back a big contract in a trade, like Heatley (although he doesn't fit the young, long term contract mold), it might work. Also, I think since we used all three of our first round picks this year, I would have to think our first rounder for the next draft is in play. That said, our top target is a top line left wing, followed by a top six offensive upgrade. If they trade for the former, then Vinny P can be the latter.
That said, I think our help likely comes from the free agent route. Isn't it about time for an infamous Doug MacLean Fourth of July surprise. I say we rename it Jarmo's Independence Day Extravaganza.
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With a bit more than 8 mill in cap, thats plenty for a top 6 forward and VP. Plus we'd be giving back salary in a deal too (assuming of course). Im not opposed by all means to trading Umberger, but I just don't see it happening.
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two quick conclusions: The guys that are not earning their $ RJ & Wiz. I don't know terms of the contract for buyouts but do know you pay 1/2 the money over double the years and the cap hit is reduced. Please elaborate on this if you understand it:
RJ is a way over priced third liner, but he is a third liner. His perfect slot is Wing with Letestu or Jenner @ pivot, and Foligno on his wing
This one time election allows us to reduce the cap hit & bring in a top line wing
Wiz is more interesting because of injuries we really haven't gotten much, thus easier to project him out of the lineup & I think he has trade value if you are taking back a bigger salary.
Prospal.. love the guy but his salary has to be equivalent to Boll or Calvert. 1MM max
two quick conclusions: The guys that are not earning their $ RJ & Wiz. I don't know terms of the contract for buyouts but do know you pay 1/2 the money over double the years and the cap hit is reduced. Please elaborate on this if you understand it:
RJ is a way over priced third liner, but he is a third liner. His perfect slot is Wing with Letestu or Jenner @ pivot, and Foligno on his wing
This one time election allows us to reduce the cap hit & bring in a top line wing
Wiz is more interesting because of injuries we really haven't gotten much, thus easier to project him out of the lineup & I think he has trade value if you are taking back a bigger salary.
Prospal.. love the guy but his salary has to be equivalent to Boll or Calvert. 1MM max
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I really think if Wis stays healthy, he would prove he is worth alot of his contract, not all since we overpaid, but close. All of his injuries have been balls out plays.
You then have to fill the roster slot of whoever you trade. Team needs three forwards, if you trade a Dman for a forward then you now need two forwards and a Dman. If you then promote from SPR you still need to account for that salary
8.991 cap space.
Three slots to fill.
Divide it however you want to.
EDIT: The exception is if you manage to trade away more salary than you are taking back, that will increase the 8.991. But since the trade is most likely to be triggered by the desire of the other team to shed salary, that scenario is unlikely.
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The major advantage to the compliance buy-out is there is no cap hit, the rest of the rules still apply (2/3 of remaining salary if they are over 26).
There will be one more chance to look at compliance buyouts. I think the front office will be looking for RJ to step up his game before making a final decision. JK called him out a bit. RJ is a two-way top six guy who had a poor season on top of a disappointing season. I think there is almost no chance Wiz gets bought out.
Your limit on Prospal is just strange, as well as the names you were lumping around. Why just don't you call Prospal's kids ugly or something, offering 1 million. Pretty damn insulting. On one hand you complain about people not earning their money and then you low ball someone that did by a mile?
We may be a bit of a cap team now, but we aren't a rich team that can just buy players out and then spend back to the cap. Don't expect to buy out RJ and then see us go back up to 60+ million in cap space, unless it's bonus heavy ELC's artificially inflating it.
I see room for maybe 2 forwards. Also, I don't see any need to get another defenseman. We could get 1 more, but we already have 7.
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Agree, esp. on Vinny. He's at $1.8 mil or better, I'd think. Which I think (hope?) the FO is waiting and seeing.
Presuming Murray and Prout, yes. I agree with you but could see the decision to add someone to the mix.
I also don't see where folks get three forwards. I count 11, plus a scoring forward and (hopefully) Prospal.
If you are going to carry a full roster (23), you need three since we have only 11 signed.
14 Forwards
7 Dmen
2 Goalies
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Here's what I came up with
FORWARDS
Viktor Stalberg ($2.500m) / Artem Anisimov ($3.283m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Brandon Dubinsky ($4.200m) / Ryan Johansen ($1.945m) / Cam Atkinson ($1.150m)
Nick Foligno ($3.083m) / Boone Jenner ($0.894m) / R.J. Umberger ($4.600m)
Matt Calvert ($0.988m) / Mark Letestu ($1.250m) / Jared Boll ($1.050m)
Vinny Prospal ($2.500m) / Derek MacKenzie ($1.000m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Jack Johnson ($4.357m) / Fedor Tyutin ($4.500m)
Ryan Murray ($3.494m) / James Wisniewski ($5.500m)
Nikita Nikitin ($2.150m) / Tim Erixon ($1.750m)
Dalton Prout ($0.667m) /
GOALTENDERS
Sergei Bobrovsky ($5.625m)
Curtis McElhinney ($0.600m)
OTHER
Buyout: Mike Commodore ($1.142m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,727,976; BONUSES: $4,682,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $3,254,524
FORWARDS
Viktor Stalberg ($2.500m) / Artem Anisimov ($3.283m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Brandon Dubinsky ($4.200m) / Ryan Johansen ($1.945m) / Cam Atkinson ($1.150m)
Nick Foligno ($3.083m) / Boone Jenner ($0.894m) / R.J. Umberger ($4.600m)
Matt Calvert ($0.988m) / Mark Letestu ($1.250m) / Jared Boll ($1.050m)
Vinny Prospal ($2.500m) / Derek MacKenzie ($1.000m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Jack Johnson ($4.357m) / Fedor Tyutin ($4.500m)
Ryan Murray ($3.494m) / James Wisniewski ($5.500m)
Nikita Nikitin ($2.150m) / Tim Erixon ($1.750m)
Dalton Prout ($0.667m) /
GOALTENDERS
Sergei Bobrovsky ($5.625m)
Curtis McElhinney ($0.600m)
OTHER
Buyout: Mike Commodore ($1.142m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,727,976; BONUSES: $4,682,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $3,254,524
Fro
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why is boone on your squad...i believe the plan is for him to go to Springy and be an injury callup...and I'm guessing Murray starts out there too in order to do some rehab and get into game shape...
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Fro
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penning in Boone and Murray to the opening day lineup means we're in trouble...a 20 yr old into a prominent role as checking center, and a kid who was out most of the year with a separated shoulder that isn't in game shape...makes zero sense to me to rush these kids...
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Both have played multiple years of Major Junior hockey and Murray has played in the WC against men, both have represented Canada at the World Juniors (Would have been twice for both), Both's game are very NHL ready, and both are physically mature enough to play in the NHL right now.
Just because they start on the opening night roster doesn't mean they stay. I fail to see how its 'rushing' a player when if they struggle you can easily just send them back down. With Jenner, he's most certainly ready, or very close. He doesn't have to stay on the roster past however many games they feel he needs until he's over his head. 3rd line 'checking' role is exactly what his body is made for and he has two big bodies next to him to help ease his transition. If he's not ready, then send him back. If he earns a spot, then he earns a spot.
With Murray, I could see him easily going back to Springfield because of his shoulder, but if the shoulder is good to go, and he's shown his conditioning is up to standards, he was regarded as the most ready NHL player in 2012. Why not give him a look?
Just because the players are young, doesn't mean they are rushed and can't play right now. If they earn their spot, why not let them play?
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I would switch Foligno and Stalberg. Let Gabby play with someone who can make a pass.
Uhh... I'm more concerned about Murray missing a season because of development, but I'm not concerned about all this "game shape" stuff you are talking about beyond the concern of every young kid.
I don't know how much he can push that shoulder, but I'm pretty sure cardio and lower body aren't much of an issue.
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It seems like half of last year's draft class missed a year of development. I exaggerate (only slightly), but Galchenyuk specifically played less than 10 total games after his preseason knee injury.
There's no way you get Stalberg for 2.5M. I would be shocked if he goes for that low a price. He's also not a top line LW. If we're trying to improve, we need to raise our sights a little. GMJK is still looking to make another impact on this roster. He made one with the Gaborik trade, now he needs to acquire the other piece on the other wing. I think he's still maybe looking at acquiring some of the names we heard over the weekend. I've been looking at younger players with long term contracts when it comes to trades.
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