Sudbury Wolves 2023-2024 Off-Season Thread (Part 2)

[frontsfan67]

Maybe? Depending on the ‘07, that is a lot. I’m not sure the market can support all of the top prized ‘05 forwards discussed as likely available. Musty, Barlow, Rehkopf, Pinelli, plus the unexpected at this time.

I’d expect atleast a good 07 and an alright 08. You may not get many draft picks this way but you get the players atleast

Also probably add romani to that list

 

[Whoppy52]

It's all irrelevant if they don't hire a real coach as shown this year.

And a real good goalie!

 

[billoink]

And a real good goalie!

With all the recent draft picks there is NO reason they should not do everything possible to acquire Leenders

 

[Wolf on a Wire]

30 hours post trade: grade the trade?

 

[armchaircoaches]

With all the recent draft picks there is NO reason they should not do everything possible to acquire Leenders

Definitely will be tough if Leenders has a no trade clause

 

[Wolf on a Wire]

Definitely will be tough if Leenders has a no trade clause

Also, I don’t see Missy trading a stud tender to an Eastern Conference Rival. I hate to say it but I say London..

 

[dirty12]

30 hours post trade: grade the trade?

B+ for both teams imo. The wolves turned needing to move OAs in to a good haul. Flint paid full value for what it wanted.
I thought Flint had a great day getting four 19-20 yr old right shots and the brother of an unsigned prospect. I think getting your additions prior to training camp is a good idea.

 

[Sam14]

Is your owner really that far off from the truth with his comment?

Sudbury will return 9 high-quality player (likely 5 NHL drafted): Delic; DeAngelis; McCoy; Dvorský; Musty; Pharand; Villeneuve; Walton; Jackson and a few other OAs they can deal to improve an already improved draft cupboard following the blockbuster deal 2025: 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5; 2026: 3, 3, 5, 5; 2027: 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 5; 2028: 2, 3, 4, 4, 5

 

[frontsfan67]

Also, I don’t see Missy trading a stud tender to an Eastern Conference Rival. I hate to say it but I say London..

I agree London could be a possibility. They do need a goalie.

Would be a huge package for the guy. May be a top 2/3 goalie in the league as early as this coming year. Was arguably top 5 already this season. I assume the top 3 would be in no particular order: oster, George and Leenders.

 

[frontsfan67]

Is your owner really that far off from the truth with his comment?

Sudbury will return 9 high-quality player (likely 5 NHL drafted): Delic; DeAngelis; McCoy; Dvorský; Musty; Pharand; Villeneuve; Walton; Jackson and a few other OAs they can deal to improve an already improved draft cupboard following the blockbuster deal 2025: 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5; 2026: 3, 3, 5, 5; 2027: 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 5; 2028: 2, 3, 4, 4, 5

0 chance in hell Dvorsky is back. He’s definitely got nothing else to prove here. Adapted well to the North American game. Was drafted before coming to Sudbury he’s AHL bound 100000%

Musty is a toss up. NHL or OHL for him although apparently someone said on here he could be considering Europe since the AHL route isn’t available to him. He’s drafted to the worst team in the NHL and I remember reports of him doing really well with will smith there at the sharks training camp last year.

He will get atleast the 9 game stint. So probably won’t be coming until atleast January because after that he will be on team USA for the WJC

Anyone have an idea of when the OHL is going to let people go to the NCAA?

If it’s this season you’d have to think musty considers that for sure playing back in his own country and the NCAA is a better league than the CHL

 

[agillarda]

0 chance in hell Dvorsky is back. He’s definitely got nothing else to prove here. Adapted well to the North American game. Was drafted before coming to Sudbury he’s AHL bound 100000%

Musty is a toss up. NHL or OHL for him although apparently someone said on here he could be considering Europe since the AHL route isn’t available to him. He’s drafted to the worst team in the NHL and I remember reports of him doing really well with will smith there at the sharks training camp last year.

He will get atleast the 9 game stint. So probably won’t be coming until atleast January because after that he will be on team USA for the WJC

Anyone have an idea of when the OHL is going to let people go to the NCAA?

If it’s this season you’d have to think musty considers that for sure playing back in his own country and the NCAA is a better league than the CHL

It's not the chl or ohl holding players from the ncaa. The ncaa considers major junior players pros and don't allow them after even preseason

 

[Sam14]

0 chance in hell Dvorsky is back. He’s definitely got nothing else to prove here. Adapted well to the North American game. Was drafted before coming to Sudbury he’s AHL bound 100000%

Musty is a toss up. NHL or OHL for him although apparently someone said on here he could be considering Europe since the AHL route isn’t available to him. He’s drafted to the worst team in the NHL and I remember reports of him doing really well with will smith there at the sharks training camp last year.

He will get atleast the 9 game stint. So probably won’t be coming until atleast January because after that he will be on team USA for the WJC

Anyone have an idea of when the OHL is going to let people go to the NCAA?

If it’s this season you’d have to think musty considers that for sure playing back in his own country and the NCAA is a better league than the CHL

This is not entirely impossible, but what if Dvorsky is replaced with an equally talented import (or two) and Musty returns to the OHL?
Would Sudbury not be in the process and initial stages of, as the owner stated "making important moves to strengthen our team and position ourselves for a deep run this season" with that trade and the subsequent trades to follow?

 

[frontsfan67]

This is not entirely impossible, but what if Dvorsky is replaced with an equally talented import (or two) and Musty returns to the OHL?
Would Sudbury not be in the process and initial stages of, as the owner stated "making important moves to strengthen our team and position ourselves for a deep run this season" with that trade and the subsequent trades to follow?

Dvorsky is the 10th overall pick in the 2023 draft and just had 45G, 88P in 52 games in his first OHL season. He is definitely a 1 and done. You’re not going to find someone better than that. He was a top 10 player in his “Rookie” year. The imports you likely pick are just going to be depth players not an ohl superstar like Dvorsky

Musty may return but it’s a 50/50 chance.
If it was Buffalo or Montreal id say he wouldn’t make them this year but it’s the Sharks. They’re the worst team in the NHL. However celebrini and smith will both be on on the team this year. Not sure if they take 3 rookie forwards on the same year but they’re all talented enough for it. Wait and see what happens

To put into perspective musty had a 1.92PPG average this season. The next closest? The MVP Cowan who had a 1.78. What’s the point of Musty playing another year? Just to make it a 2.2 or 2.3 average? He’s made his mark here it’s time to move on from OHL.

He’s got the size, physicality for the NHL. Something a guy like Jordan Dumais in the Q doesn’t have even though Dumais is more talented.

It's not the chl or ohl holding players from the ncaa. The ncaa considers major junior players pros and don't allow them after even preseason

Are they changing a rule about that though? Or what is being changed besides NCAA athletes now getting paid

 

[agillarda]

Elliot Friedman and Jeff Marek have discussed this a few times on 32 thoughts and the jeff marek show. Can't recall the last specific day they did. They have said the ncaa has discussed making a change to allowing it, however; there is no timeline as to when it could happen. There would be a lot that goes into making this change from both sides ncaa and major junior.

 

[Wolf on a Wire]

Dvorsky is the 10th overall pick in the 2023 draft and just had 45G, 88P in 52 games in his first OHL season. He is definitely a 1 and done. You’re not going to find someone better than that. He was a top 10 player in his “Rookie” year. The imports you likely pick are just going to be depth players not an ohl superstar like Dvorsky

Musty may return but it’s a 50/50 chance.
If it was Buffalo or Montreal id say he wouldn’t make them this year but it’s the Sharks. They’re the worst team in the NHL. However celebrini and smith will both be on on the team this year. Not sure if they take 3 rookie forwards on the same year but they’re all talented enough for it. Wait and see what happens

To put into perspective musty had a 1.92PPG average this season. The next closest? The MVP Cowan who had a 1.78. What’s the point of Musty playing another year? Just to make it a 2.2 or 2.3 average? He’s made his mark here it’s time to move on from OHL.

He’s got the size, physicality for the NHL. Something a guy like Jordan Dumais in the Q doesn’t have even though Dumais is more talented.


Are they changing a rule about that though? Or what is being changed besides NCAA athletes now getting paid

Not sure which Musty your watching play hockey? Physical? Nope. Score and get just short of 2 pts/game? Yes. Defensive side of the puck needs a ton of work and attitude needs some adjusting by a coach that can get control of him. When you don’t come off the ice when told and curse and swear at your coaches I’d say he is very far from succeeding or playing any Pro hockey.

 

[Sam14]

Dvorsky we can agree is AHL bound, Musty does not that option, however, the question I’m asking in here is…looking at Sudbury’s roster post-blockbuster trade, pre-import draft and trades are the owner's comments "making important moves to strengthen our team and position ourselves for a deep run this season" really that “far off” from the truth?

Delic; DeAngelis; McCoy; Musty; Pharand; Villeneuve; Walton; Jackson along with a few more OAs they can deal to improve an already improved draft cupboard 2025: 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5; 2026: 3, 3, 5, 5; 2027: 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 5; 2028: 2, 3, 4, 4, 5

With these potential returning players (and draft picks) can we not say Sudbury is "in the process and initial stages" of doing exactly what he said?

Would be interested in hearing the thoughts of some faithful Wolves fan on this topic also?

 

[Voice from the North]

0 chance in hell Dvorsky is back. He’s definitely got nothing else to prove here. Adapted well to the North American game. Was drafted before coming to Sudbury he’s AHL bound 100000%

Musty is a toss up. NHL or OHL for him although apparently someone said on here he could be considering Europe since the AHL route isn’t available to him. He’s drafted to the worst team in the NHL and I remember reports of him doing really well with will smith there at the sharks training camp last year.

He will get atleast the 9 game stint. So probably won’t be coming until atleast January because after that he will be on team USA for the WJC

Anyone have an idea of when the OHL is going to let people go to the NCAA?

If it’s this season you’d have to think musty considers that for sure playing back in his own country and the NCAA is a better league than the CHL

Musty has signed an NHL contract and would be ineligible for the NCAA. As for the NHL, anyone who has watched him play for more than one game will tell you that he isn't pro ready. He has the requisite offensive abilities but his overall attitude, lack of a 200 foot game, skating deficiencies, lazy tendencies, etc will keep him in the O and its doubtful he gets the 9 game stint in the NHL.

Dvorsky we can agree is AHL bound, Musty does not that option, however, the question I’m asking in here is…looking at Sudbury’s roster post-blockbuster trade, pre-import draft and trades are the owner's comments "making important moves to strengthen our team and position ourselves for a deep run this season" really that “far off” from the truth?

Delic; DeAngelis; McCoy; Musty; Pharand; Villeneuve; Walton; Jackson along with a few more OAs they can deal to improve an already improved draft cupboard 2025: 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5; 2026: 3, 3, 5, 5; 2027: 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 5; 2028: 2, 3, 4, 4, 5

With these potential returning players (and draft picks) can we not say Sudbury is "in the process and initial stages" of doing exactly what he said?

Would be interested in hearing the thoughts of some faithful Wolves fan on this topic also?

As of right now, the Wolves have too many needs. They need a coach who knows structure and discipline and who won't be managed by the GM. That same coach also has to be able to break the bad habits of his better players. They need a goalie as right now they have Krawchuk and Gaulton who the brass has shown they have no faith in. Need an above average goalie . They are pretty thin on defense behind the 2 OA's and Ewles, asking a lot of the rookie defensemen. They need to do well at the Euro draft and perhaps thats the way to fill in a few gaps. There is talent there for sure and a pretty good core so maybe you can burn the draft pick pile if the plan is contention again. To do that you need to make good deals at a good price early to plug the holes and you hope your 17 year old rookies like Jackson, Chitaroni, Clayton can figure out the league quickly.

 

[dirty12]

Dvorsky we can agree is AHL bound, Musty does not that option, however, the question I’m asking in here is…looking at Sudbury’s roster post-blockbuster trade, pre-import draft and trades are the owner's comments "making important moves to strengthen our team and position ourselves for a deep run this season" really that “far off” from the truth?

Delic; DeAngelis; McCoy; Musty; Pharand; Villeneuve; Walton; Jackson along with a few more OAs they can deal to improve an already improved draft cupboard 2025: 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5; 2026: 3, 3, 5, 5; 2027: 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 5; 2028: 2, 3, 4, 4, 5

With these potential returning players (and draft picks) can we not say Sudbury is "in the process and initial stages" of doing exactly what he said?

Would be interested in hearing the thoughts of some faithful Wolves fan on this topic also?

with Musty and those OAs an attempted run is likely imo

 

[agillarda]

You can also get info on ncaa/chl by listening to this week's the OHL podcast episode at about 36 minutes in.

 

[jamo27]

Dvorsky we can agree is AHL bound, Musty does not that option, however, the question I’m asking in here is…looking at Sudbury’s roster post-blockbuster trade, pre-import draft and trades are the owner's comments "making important moves to strengthen our team and position ourselves for a deep run this season" really that “far off” from the truth?

Delic; DeAngelis; McCoy; Musty; Pharand; Villeneuve; Walton; Jackson along with a few more OAs they can deal to improve an already improved draft cupboard 2025: 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5; 2026: 3, 3, 5, 5; 2027: 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 5; 2028: 2, 3, 4, 4, 5

With these potential returning players (and draft picks) can we not say Sudbury is "in the process and initial stages" of doing exactly what he said?

Would be interested in hearing the thoughts of some faithful Wolves fan on this topic also?

Yes, it is far off from the truth. This years team will be significantly weaker than last years team. Goaltending and defense need to be upgraded, and a coach has yet to be hired. There is no way this team is competing for a title this year and should be selling everything they can in order to build for a championship when the new arena is ready. Even in that best case scenario, I'd expect a couple lean years. But, as stated many times before, the way the management played the hand dealt to them last year, I don't think they are capable of winning anything anytime soon. They need to clean house.... period.

 

[billoink]

Memorial cup will be back in the OHL in 2027 a year before the new arena will be built so rule out getting their without winning the bid to host especially with the present GM in place

 

[frontsfan67]

Memorial cup will be back in the OHL in 2027 a year before the new arena will be built so rule out getting their without winning the bid to host especially with the present GM in place

Thanks for the clarification

 

[Petes1987]

with Musty and those OAs an attempted run is likely imo

To be a contender Sudbury would need to add at least one top six forward, two depth forwards, two 19 year old defencemen and a starting goaltender. That is huge task with not a lot of young players they can trade. I also don’t think the Wolves have the draft picks to acquire the required players for draft picks only as they often require multiple 2nds and 3rds.

 

[dirty12]

To be a contender Sudbury would need to add at least one top six forward, two depth forwards, two 19 year old defencemen and a starting goaltender. That is huge task with not a lot of young players they can trade. I also don’t think the Wolves have the draft picks to acquire the required players for draft picks only as they often require multiple 2nds and 3rds.

You must believe Musty, Delic, and McCoy will not return. I think there is a fairly good chance they do. In that case, the OAs are DeAngelis, McCoy, and Delic or VanVliet. If it is VanVliet, the D is set. If it is Delic, the (edit: forwards) are an Import and a middling forward from set.
There isn’t a team in the conference set right now..
The wolves biggest concerns are GM and coach imo.
There are are lot of picks already; 7-2s, 6-3s, 4-4s, 6-5s. That is equal to or a bit better than all but Brantford. Seven of the eight teams with the most disposable picks right now are in the east. It will come down to which teams can and will use them effectively. Some, probably most of Peterborough, Niagara, Barrie, Windsor won’t even try.

 

[TcNorth]

Flint got little value in this trade.