Sudbury Wolves 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 3)

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True.

I say we forget about Brassard and Ranger going forward. Neither are a part of this team next year.

The Wolves really need to see what they have in Krawchuk. I don't think he's the answer either, but they need to find out 100% one way or the other.
Agreed. I guess who ever is GM next season will be on the hunt for a tender, again. Gaulton and Krawchuk , Gaulton combo won't cut it .
 
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True.

I say we forget about Brassard and Ranger going forward. Neither are a part of this team next year.

The Wolves really need to see what they have in Krawchuk. I don't think he's the answer either, but they need to find out 100% one way or the other.
What's your thoughts on the GM and perhaps the wolves needing a different set of eyes for the position.
 
What's your thoughts on the GM and perhaps the wolves needing a different set of eyes for the position.
Honestly, I don't know.

I think Papineau has done a decent enough job drafting recently, and his trades have been ok as well.

Though considering the prices, I would've jettisoned a few more this past deadline, and I'd like to see a bit more focus on the defensive side during the draft.

Question is, who do you get to replace him? I'm sure respectable and sought after GMs aren't banging down the Sudbury door to get the job, simply due to location.

If the Wolves miss the playoffs again, he's gone for sure, but again...... who's the replacement? McKenzie Sr? Or do they give Derek more control to entice him to stay?

Rock/hard place...... Wolves are currently stuck there.... Once again.
 
Honestly, I don't know.

I think Papineau has done a decent enough job drafting recently, and his trades have been ok as well.

Though considering the prices, I would've jettisoned a few more this past deadline, and I'd like to see a bit more focus on the defensive side during the draft.

Question is, who do you get to replace him? I'm sure respectable and sought after GMs aren't banging down the Sudbury door to get the job, simply due to location.

If the Wolves miss the playoffs again, he's gone for sure, but again...... who's the replacement? McKenzie Sr? Or do they give Derek more control to entice him to stay?

Rock/hard place...... Wolves are currently stuck there.... Once again.
Well said, and I like the the different take you've brought up. I just think they're short comings within the team. Goalie is the obvious one but they are more. No GM is perfect and some don't get a chance to fix their mistakes. The thing is do you trust Rob again to make the crucial decisions upcoming. I'm not to sure. By the way I'm not one that believes yet, that next year is the year as some have suggested. Being optimistic is one thing but being a realist is another.

Sudbury may not be an ideal location but having a change to be a GM in this league is something. Sometimes you got to pay the piper. Money talks. I would say no too McKenzie sr. Maybe Derek but how well does he know the league at this point.

Agree wolves are again in no man's land. Always stuck in neutral. Someone need to be held accountable unfortunately.
 
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Might be having a good chuckle, but he's struggling at the Jr. B level currently.

Joined a 1st place London team and they've since slipped to 2nd, soon to be 3rd.

4-4-2 with a 3.43 and a .904 Sv% since joining. The lowest of all their active goalies to date this year.
Put Brassard on that London team and I can guarantee they would be in 3rd today and trending downward with a worse win loss record and GAA and Save %. The guy is useless!!! Take a marginally better Ranger than him not to mention the optics of releasing an OA you traded for back in August with local connections can't be good.

As someone mentioned earlier they would of liked to seen what Ranger would of looked like with a lesser load now that Krawchuk has finally started more games. I know we can't continue discussing and need to move on from the goalie fiasco however every time Brassard starts it rehashes itself because it reminds us all of the terrible gamble this was.

After Fridays game vs Erie I was hopeful that Brassard would come in on the weekend and redeem himself. But I think its only wishful thinking at this point. The coaches and management know at this point that they need to have a near perfect defensive effort for a victory because goaltending won't win us games. Krawchuk because he's more technical may keep us in games and the odd time steal one but we can't expect it to happen every game. The players, coaches and management along with the fans all know this. Including the opposition.

WJ
 
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I think Chucky and Gaulton may have something to say about that grade..
If you are talking this year its an F.

If you are talking next year it may be better it only can... But it wont be good enough for a championship team. We can all agree on that.

WJ
 
Well said, and I like the the different take you've brought up. I just think they're short comings within the team. Goalie is the obvious one but they are more. No GM is perfect and some don't get a chance to fix their mistakes. The thing is do you trust Rob again to make the crucial decisions upcoming. I'm not to sure. By the way I'm not one that believes yet, that next year is the year as some have suggested. Being optimistic is one thing but being a realist is another.

Sudbury may not be an ideal location but having a change to be a GM in this league is something. Sometimes you got to pay the piper. Money talks. I won't say no to McKenzie sr. Maybe Derek but how well does he know the league at this point.

Agree wolves are again in no man's land. Always stuck in neutral. Someone need to be held accountable unfortunately.
There are enough picks for a new GM that believes that there is more than just forwards needed to build a hockey team to fix the D and add a goalie if needed. I think that there would be a lot of interest in the wolves GM position as long as there is no potential loss of $ and possibly family lifestyle associated with a move.
But I think Papineau gets this upcoming season to mould his roster into a contender. There will be two teams getting to the memorial cup and no teams in the eastern conference that seem contender ready like Guelph & OS in the west. It might be a good year for the wolves to go all-in
 
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I don't think Brassard was a 'terrible gamble'. Ranger was not capable.(as much as I liked him) A change was needed. Likely zero to none goalies available to a goalie desperate team at a reasonable price, especially this year with the prices paid. What option was there... take a flyer off waivers in Brassard. Maybe a change of scenery would work? Release Ranger was the cost. Yes, the gamble failed, but even in hindsight was there any other alternative?
 
Statement game today after that embarrassment of a game yesterday. For a team fighting for a playoff spot, yesterday's game was baffling. Brassard was weak for sure, but just the team game in general both mentally and discipline wise was embarrassing. Got to play smarter and harder at this point in the season. Oh well it was a dud, forget it and be ready for today. Need a big effort. As for goaltending next season, it's pretty simple. You're either finding an option in the Import draft, or you're ponying up and going the trade route. Here's a hot take - Wolves will acquire one of DiVincentiis, Nelson or Wakely from North Bay next season
 
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Statement game today after that embarrassment of a game yesterday. For a team fighting for a playoff spot, yesterday's game was baffling. Brassard was weak for sure, but just the team game in general both mentally and discipline wise was embarrassing. Got to play smarter and harder at this point in the season. Oh well it was a dud, forget it and be ready for today. Need a big effort. As for goaltending next season, it's pretty simple. You're either finding an option in the Import draft, or you're ponying up and going the trade route. Here's a hot take - Wolves will acquire one DiVincentiis, Nelson or Wakely from North Bay next season
A blockbuster for Dom & Nelson would be a dream scenario
 
Close your eyes a moment and imagine: you are playing on this team as a 16yr old rookie, or a 17-18year old. You have secured a spot on the team. First half a season you can’t win because you are the most penalized team in the league and there is zero accountability for players performance in and off the ice. Two players quit the team, eventually one returns. Coach gets fired and new younger coach with NHL experience and his dad begin coaching along with two new hires as Assistant Coaches. Team play and defensive play improve drastically, your GM sells at the deadline and releases your OA goalie. Your team has limited depth and a new tender comes in from another league as an unknown. Your top 17year old forward misses a month with an injury, same as an elite 18 year old forward. An OA forward, great on draws and PK, gets suspended 6 games. But somehow you are 2 games below 500 and tied for the last playoff spot.
The coaching has been great since the change over (will be exceptional after PP gets figured out). Krawchuk “Chucky”has been a pleasant surprise in net and has earned and is getting more starts. Brassard is who he is. If he was Martin Brodeour he wouldn’t have been placed on waivers. I’m guessing when Ranger struggled mightily after the first month no other team was willing to trade a tender, so there may have not been many options.
Furthermore, Galton goes down with a long term injury.
We still have an open Euro spot.

We can easily point our fingers and blame Paps, Coaches, Scouts and undisciplined players but ultimately what we are watching is young players growing and developing. They play the game, they are ultimately responsible for the outcomes.
To me, we now have one of the top 3 coaches in the league. Not every penalty is undisciplined, some are good penalties or just terrible calls.
Mistakes will happen: Mania is so talented and probably the best skater with the best edges on the team, he now knows he can’t be skating back towards our net with the puck blind as the last line of defence. Mental mistake, technically he can turn and face up ice to make an outlet pass(he will learn). I can’t believe Coach DM isn’t teaching a proper PP, but now players need to execute.
From what I read on these boards: there are teams in way worse situations than our Wolves. This was never going to be our year. Best outcome make the playoffs and let the players gain the experience and have fun with it. If we make it, we will be getting a top 6-8 pick in draft. Lots of draft assets so the sun will come up tomorrow. Better days ahead.
We are still making the playoffs.
Your out look for this team is admirable, but this team is not the team to make a run next year. Although the team can score, their defensive game is horrendous and the goaltending is a huge question mark.

It’s nearly impossible to move from 17th to #1 in a year with the amount of holes in this lineup. Reading the posts, there’s many saying that certain players take too many penalties yet also think these same players will be great OAs? That doesn’t make sense since one of the players has been on the trade wire since his second year.

I still say that to build a real contender, it starts with at least a couple of smart drafts. Trading one player for a draft picks like Holmes will only get you one really good player bought with picks. That’s part of the problem, the cost of 18 or 19 year olds to build for a run is as expensive as a top end player. So, a GM has to rely on drafting well, and this GM doesn’t draft well. I question Papineaus ability to acquire the right players to fit and play a certain role. The draft pick I like the most is 89. I have never been a Musty fan as I don’t believe he can skate at an NHL level. I’m a firm believer in drafting players the team needs, not necessarily the best available player unless you have plans To move that player for picks.

I’m pretty sure the same style posts will be here that are pretty much the same as the last decade this time next year. The fans in Sudbury are passionate, probably the most passionate in the league, but what I’ve experienced is it makes the fans value players more than they should be. That has also been Papineaus issue as well. The organization that are always in the running have pretty much the same system, .

Anyway, fans will have to wait and see again.
 
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Honestly, I don't know.

I think Papineau has done a decent enough job drafting recently, and his trades have been ok as well.

Though considering the prices, I would've jettisoned a few more this past deadline, and I'd like to see a bit more focus on the defensive side during the draft.

Question is, who do you get to replace him? I'm sure respectable and sought after GMs aren't banging down the Sudbury door to get the job, simply due to location.

If the Wolves miss the playoffs again, he's gone for sure, but again...... who's the replacement? McKenzie Sr? Or do they give Derek more control to entice him to stay?

Rock/hard place...... Wolves are currently stuck there.... Once again.
Would like to see DM coach without KM. Their coaching styles can't be the same and the younger has coached at the NHL level. This combo isn't working and it's frustrating thinking Sudz may not make the playoffs once again.
 
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Interesting to see Goyette getting very little if any PP time today. Kid has hit a wall and maybe needs to deflate his head a bit and start playing the way that got him noticed to get drafted. No second efforts and plays are dying off his stick. Blind passes and on the second Petes goal he was late to the party to cover Zanetti streaking in.

WJ
 
Interesting to see Goyette getting very little if any PP time today. Kid has hit a wall and maybe needs to deflate his head a bit and start playing the way that got him noticed to get drafted. No second efforts and plays are dying off his stick. Blind passes and on the second Petes goal he was late to the party to cover Zanetti streaking in.

WJ
yeah, Musty taking a bunch of bonehead penalties, sit him rest the game
 
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Interesting to see Goyette getting very little if any PP time today. Kid has hit a wall and maybe needs to deflate his head a bit and start playing the way that got him noticed to get drafted. No second efforts and plays are dying off his stick. Blind passes and on the second Petes goal he was late to the party to cover Zanetti streaking in.

WJ
Kid has hit a wall ? 14 points in last 10 games 😂😂😂 and as a winger you really think Zanetti on the goal line was his man ? Serious ?
 
Honestly, I don't know.

I think Papineau has done a decent enough job drafting recently, and his trades have been ok as well.

Though considering the prices, I would've jettisoned a few more this past deadline, and I'd like to see a bit more focus on the defensive side during the draft.

Question is, who do you get to replace him? I'm sure respectable and sought after GMs aren't banging down the Sudbury door to get the job, simply due to location.

If the Wolves miss the playoffs again, he's gone for sure, but again...... who's the replacement? McKenzie Sr? Or do they give Derek more control to entice him to stay?

Rock/hard place...... Wolves are currently stuck there.... Once again.
Neither McKenzie.

Kid has hit a wall ? 14 points in last 10 games 😂😂😂 and as a winger you really think Zanetti on the goal line was his man ? Serious ?
Defence again…
 
Honestly, I don't know.

I think Papineau has done a decent enough job drafting recently, and his trades have been ok as well.

Though considering the prices, I would've jettisoned a few more this past deadline, and I'd like to see a bit more focus on the defensive side during the draft.

Question is, who do you get to replace him? I'm sure respectable and sought after GMs aren't banging down the Sudbury door to get the job, simply due to location.

If the Wolves miss the playoffs again, he's gone for sure, but again...... who's the replacement? McKenzie Sr? Or do they give Derek more control to entice him to stay?

Rock/hard place...... Wolves are currently stuck there.... Once again.
Decent doesn’t win championships. Same as the players, the management and coaching has to be excellent. The wolves dont have good upper management. Coaching? Not sure yet, but there has been a noticeable improvement.

Papineau is gone and Jeff Forsyth is not too far behind him.

So who's your pick?

I wasn't saying that's my choice, just giving options.
I’m not going to say who it will be.
 
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