Sudbury Wolves 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 3)

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Of the 5 teams going for the final 4 playoff spots in the East, the Wolves have the 2nd most games left vs teams under .500
 
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You just won't let it go eh lol. And when will you learn how to "reply" to posts corrctly
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You just won't let it go eh lol. And when will you learn how to "reply" to posts correctly
Basically because he is exactly the player we could have benefited from for 3 more years. All his detractors could not have made a proper evaluation of his talent based on a very limited showing on the 4th line. Posters like you rode him out of town, and you can't admit to being complicit to what will be one of the Wolves worst trades.
 
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Lol, if posters on this board are dictating the actions of the front offices in the league, I think we would have seen some different moves.

I thought the Wolves got great value for Assadourian. Probably a win/win trade for both clubs. Far from the Wolves worst trade (there are a few of those to choose from however).
 
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Nice goal on PP but nothing special or out of the ordinairy. Defender gave him too much space but was on the PP. Story in Niagara was the 62 save performance by their tendy. No one on their board talking about AA, not on their board, not in the news. Goal wasn't goal of the night or anything, and the story of that game was Rosenzweig.

Good for the kid, happy he's found something. A point a game is a good pace but It's not Wolves news or even worth discussing on here anymore. He's gone. It's not relevant in any way. I will no longer respond to Assodourian posts as it's no longer relevant on this board.

Cobra you obviously have some sort of attachment to him but I don't care. Scrolling past your posts from now on as they aren't relevant to Wolves hocket. Good luck to you
 
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You just won't let it go eh lol. And when will you learn how to "reply" to posts corrctly

Basically because he is exactly the player we could have benefited from for 3 more years. All his detractors could not have made a proper evaluation of his talent based on a very limited showing on the 4th line. Posters like you rode him out of town, and you can't admit to being complicit to what will be one of the Wolves worst trades.
A 2021-2nd round picked player that did not really fit and should never have been picked over a team needed D in the first place, scoring at a pt/g with his new team in exchange for as distant as possible 2026-2nd & 3rd picks is; a fair recovery from a mistake.
It does not compare to worst trades such as Stratis, Nizhnikov; and possibly all-time worst Sokolov & 3rd for Lipinov.
My concern is that Papineau just doesn’t seem willing to stray from his pattern of forward 1st, forward 2nd, defense 4th to consider drafting for team need when he really should. The past draft should have resulted in Papineau being fired imo.
 
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Posters like you rode him out of town, and you can't admit to being complicit to what will be one of the Wolves worst trades.
Read my posts. I've stated numerous times on here that Assadourian could end up being the next Parnham or B.Thompson. Do you understand what I mean by that? Assadourian has skill, but he's gone now. Just let it go
 
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A 2021-2nd round picked player that did not really fit and should never have been picked over a team needed D in the first place, scoring at a pt/g with his new team in exchange for as distant as possible 2026-2nd & 3rd picks is; a fair recovery from a mistake.



It does not compare to worst trades such as Stratis, Nizhnikov; and possibly all-time worst Sokolov & 3rd for Lipinov.

A 2021-2nd round picked player that did not really fit and should never have been picked over a team needed D in the first place, scoring at a pt/g with his new team in exchange for as distant as possible 2026-2nd & 3rd picks is; a fair recovery from a mistake.
It does not compare to worst trades such as Stratis, Nizhnikov; and possibly all-time worst Sokolov & 3rd for Lipinov.
Remember that is a point per game pace as a 17 year old. If he had been on that pace with proper ice time from the beginning of the season ,he definitely would have been on NHL draft radar .At the beginning of the season Brock Otten had him highly rated as a draft eligible prospect. It was a mistake to trade him as during this injury/suspension depleted roster the Stonehand gang(Larmand,McCallum and Boudreau) can't buy a goal.
Why is Degrazia not on the first powerplay ? He is not being utilized on the pp and may be the one offensive threat we have left. How about even Toure. He has a very accurate point shot . Why does this management team rely on McCallum when the puck is like a hand grenade when he even comes close to the net
 
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A 2021-2nd round picked player that did not really fit and should never have been picked over a team needed D in the first place, scoring at a pt/g with his new team in exchange for as distant as possible 2026-2nd & 3rd picks is; a fair recovery from a mistake.
It does not compare to worst trades such as Stratis, Nizhnikov; and possibly all-time worst Sokolov & 3rd for Lipinov.
My concern is that Papineau just doesn’t seem willing to stray from his pattern of forward 1st, forward 2nd, defense 4th to consider drafting for team need when he really should. The past draft should have resulted in Papineau being fired imo.
Anytime you draft for "need" and not BPA that high in the draft, it's a mistake. Most of the good (and even average) GMs across many leagues know that
 
Remember that is a point per game pace as a 17 year old. If he had been on that pace with proper ice time from the beginning of the season ,he definitely would have been on NHL draft radar .At the beginning of the season Brock Otten had him highly rated as a draft eligible prospect. It was a mistake to trade him as during this injury/suspension depleted roster the Stonehand gang(Larmand,McCallum and Boudreau) can't buy a goal.
Why is Degrazia not on the first powerplay ? He is not being utilized on the pp and may be the one offensive threat we have left. How about even Toure. He has a very accurate point shot . Why does this management team rely on McCallum when the puck is like a hand grenade when he even comes close to the net
A pt/g pace that was very likely not going to happen in SBY until his OA season 2025-26. The kid got a new lease on life, and it shows
 
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Anytime you draft for "need" and not BPA that high in the draft, it's a mistake. Most of the good (and even average) GMs across many leagues know that
I am going to say again that Papineau drafted by his formula of forward 1st, forward 2nd, and defence 4th; not BPA or need.
Do you believe there was not once a D available 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 as good or better and more of a need than the 2nd and/or 3rd Fs selected? Please list the good, even average GMs that have not selected multiple D within the first three rounds over the past four OHL priority selection drafts; Papineau, not once.
Papineau not taking the first G off the board and a D in the 2nd round in the last draft was pure negligence imo.
 
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A 2021-2nd round picked player that did not really fit and should never have been picked over a team needed D in the first place, scoring at a pt/g with his new team in exchange for as distant as possible 2026-2nd & 3rd picks is; a fair recovery from a mistake.
It does not compare to worst trades such as Stratis, Nizhnikov; and possibly all-time worst Sokolov & 3rd for Lipinov.
My concern is that Papineau just doesn’t seem willing to stray from his pattern of forward 1st, forward 2nd, defense 4th to consider drafting for team need when he really should. The past draft should have resulted in Papineau being fired imo.
He’s getting fired. Nothing to show in 5 years.
 
Remember that is a point per game pace as a 17 year old. If he had been on that pace with proper ice time from the beginning of the season ,he definitely would have been on NHL draft radar .At the beginning of the season Brock Otten had him highly rated as a draft eligible prospect. It was a mistake to trade him as during this injury/suspension depleted roster the Stonehand gang(Larmand,McCallum and Boudreau) can't buy a goal.
Why is Degrazia not on the first powerplay ? He is not being utilized on the pp and may be the one offensive threat we have left. How about even Toure. He has a very accurate point shot . Why does this management team rely on McCallum when the puck is like a hand grenade when he even comes close to the net
The best player not really spoken about is Pharand. He is under used, big, strong and fast player. Given the ice other guys are getting, he have 30 goals easily by now. He’s going to play pro hockey before a few other guys Papineau is high on.
 
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Anytime you draft for "need" and not BPA that high in the draft, it's a mistake. Most of the good (and even average) GMs across many leagues know that
I feel that is what you use the import draft for, to address immediate “needs”. The North American draft is what you use to build the foundation of a team with. It’s not my team though, so Papineau can do what he wishes, but his formula has not worked. This team doesn’t need more forwards, after they fire Papineau, they need to draft a lot of defence men and a few goalies as early as possible. IMO, they are nowhere close to being a contender next year and I believe the smart move is to build for a team in 2-3 years.

Look at the year UPL played in Sudbury, they didn’t get out of their conference and they had much better defence, the best goalie in Jr hockey, where grittier, better PK, more scoring and had much more character. Compare the teams and I would think most see a big difference.

That’s what I see.

I am going to say again that Papineau drafted by his formula of forward 1st, forward 2nd, and defence 4th; not BPA or need.
Do you believe there was not once a D available 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 as good or better and more of a need than the 2nd and/or 3rd Fs selected? Please list the good, even average GMs that have not selected multiple D within the first three rounds over the past four OHL priority selection drafts; Papineau, not once.
Papineau not taking the first G off the board and a D in the 2nd round in the last draft was pure negligence imo.
I agree 100% with you.

I am going to say again that Papineau drafted by his formula of forward 1st, forward 2nd, and defence 4th; not BPA or need.
Do you believe there was not once a D available 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 as good or better and more of a need than the 2nd and/or 3rd Fs selected? Please list the good, even average GMs that have not selected multiple D within the first three rounds over the past four OHL priority selection drafts; Papineau, not once.
Papineau not taking the first G off the board and a D in the 2nd round in the last draft was pure negligence imo.
I agree 100% with you.
 
I am going to say again that Papineau drafted by his formula of forward 1st, forward 2nd, and defence 4th; not BPA or need.
Do you believe there was not once a D available 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 as good or better and more of a need than the 2nd and/or 3rd Fs selected? Please list the good, even average GMs that have not selected multiple D within the first three rounds over the past four OHL priority selection drafts; Papineau, not once.
Papineau not taking the first G off the board and a D in the 2nd round in the last draft was pure negligence imo.
If you are saying that all the other GMs draft BPA in the first 2 rounds, and you are arguing that Papineau left the best player (defenseman) on the board to draft another position, then the evidence to possibly support that would be that the very next pick after Sudbury was a defenseman. That did not happen in 2019. Or 2020. Or 2021. So by your own logic, you have refuted your argument.

2019
15 (selection by Sudbury) -> 17 (next defenseman taken)
25 -> 33
26 -> 33

2020
11 -> 15
28 -> 31

2021
1 -> 3
37 -> 42

It did happen in 2022 when he selected Villeneuve 3rd overall and Dickinson was taken one spot after. Maybe he had Villeneuve higher, or maybe there were potential reporting issues with Dickinson. But once in 4 years is not a pattern me thinks.

2022
3 -> 4
28 -> 30
43 -> 46
 
I If you are saying that all the other GMs draft BPA in the first 2 rounds, and you are arguing that Papineau left the best player (defenseman) on the board to draft another position, then the evidence to possibly support that would be that the very next pick after Sudbury was a defenseman. That did not happen in 2019. Or 2020. Or 2021. So by your own logic, you have refuted your argument.



It’s alright Pops, age right?
There were D available as good or better and more of a need in some if not all of the past four priority drafts than the forwards taken by the wolves with their 2nd and/or 3rd selections. You see, well with an open mind you would see a pattern has emerged over the past four drafts; Papineau has drafted forward 1st, forward 2nd, defence 4th. Over that period, Papineau has not once selected a D before round 4 while the 19 other GMs have multiple times.
2019
15 (selection by Sudbury) -> 17 (next defenseman taken)
25 -> 33
26 -> 33

2020
11 -> 15
28 -> 31

2021
1 -> 3
37 -> 42

It did happen in 2022 when he selected Villeneuve 3rd overall and Dickinson was taken one spot after. Maybe he had Villeneuve higher, or maybe there were potential reporting issues with Dickinson. But once in 4 years is not a pattern me thinks.

2022
3 -> 4
28 -> 30
43 -> 46
 
In 2019 there were 5 selections after Sudbury that were not a d. In 2021 there were 4 selections after Sudbury that were not a d. Are you arguing Sudbury should have taken a d with those selections?
 
A pt/g pace that was very likely not going to happen in SBY until his OA season 2025-26. The kid got a new lease on life, and it shows



Remember that is a point per game pace as a 17 year old. If he had been on that pace with proper ice time from the beginning of the season ,he definitely would have been on NHL draft radar .At the beginning of the season Brock Otten had him highly rated as a draft eligible prospect. It was a mistake to trade him as during this injury/suspension depleted roster the Stonehand gang(Larmand,McCallum and Boudreau) can't buy a goal.

Why is Degrazia not on the first powerplay ? He is not being utilized on the pp and may be the one offensive threat we have left. How about even Toure. He has a very accurate point shot . Why does this management team rely on McCallum when the puck is like a hand grenade when he even comes close to the net



In 2019 there were 5 selections after Sudbury that were not a d. In 2021 there were 4 selections after Sudbury that were not a d. Are you arguing Sudbury should have taken a d with those selections?
 
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In 2019 there were 5 selections after Sudbury that were not a d. In 2021 there were 4 selections after Sudbury that were not a d. Are you arguing Sudbury should have taken a d with those selections?
I think Papineau drafts a forward first, forward second, defence fourth. See if you can detect a pattern with the way Papineau drafts.

In 2019, Papineau selected 3 forwards in the first two rounds, then a D in the 4th.
In 2020, Papineau selected forwards in rounds 1, 2, 4; then a D in round 5.
In 2021, Papineau selected forwards in rounds 1, 2; then a D in round 4.
In 2022, Papineau went forward in round 1, forward then goalie round two; then in round four, Papineau selected a D.

In that period of time, every other OHL team drafted multiple D by the end of round 3.
I have and will continue to state that the wolves should have made an early investment at the draft in D at some point over a four year period.
 
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