Post-Game Talk: Stuart S14inner

[Soundwave]

Of course he is. He won a f***in cup. That’s not the point, the point is no one knew. If you were Soundwave the Knights fan you’d have been asking McCrimmon to go get a real goalie blah blah blah over the unknown quantity in Hill. You don’t know Jack, so stop pretending you know.

When the Oilers pro scouting repeatedly knocks out home run finds like Vegas does, they can have the benefit of the doubt, but they haven't done anything to earn that benefit of the doubt.

And yeah, that's how that's supposed to work. You don't just magically get the benefit of the doubt when you've done nothing to earn it and to the contrary have failed many times as a pro scouting department (see also: which team though giving Jack Campbell a 5 year contract was a good idea?).

So there's nothing really unreasonable there.

We did also actually try Skinner in the playoffs last year and it was a disaster, so that isn't a hypothetical either. That happened in reality, so I don't think it's unreasonable to say "we better have a plan B this year".

We had an incredible win streak to go into the playoffs last year too and it still meant nothing so, I don't really sway my opinion on these things based on regular season win streaks.

Vegas has had good to great goaltending basically every year they've been in the playoffs too.

I'm fine with Skinner staying, but there better be a reasonable option you can give Knoblaugh if Skinner's game goes sideways again in the post-season.

 

[TheNumber4]

When the Oilers pro scouting repeatedly knocks out home run finds like Vegas does, they can have the benefit of the doubt, but they haven't done anything to earn that benefit of the doubt.

And yeah, that's how that's supposed to work. You don't just magically get the benefit of the doubt when you've done nothing to earn it and to the contrary have failed many times as a pro scouting department (see also: which team though giving Jack Campbell a 5 year contract was a good idea?).

So there's nothing really unreasonable there.

We did also actually try Skinner in the playoffs last year and it was a disaster, so that isn't a hypothetical either. That happened in reality, so I don't think it's unreasonable to say "we better have a plan B this year".

We had an incredible win streak to go into the playoffs last year too and it still meant nothing so, I don't really sway my opinion on these things based on regular season win streaks.

Vegas has had good to great goaltending basically every year they've been in the playoffs too.

Dumb argument and a reach as usual. When it comes to their goaltending, Oilers are literally knocking it out of the park with 4th round gem Stuart Skinner as we speak. So what? Vegas has access to all the best free agents cause of their location and they are allowed to try long shots as their goalie options but the Oilers aren’t?

 

[5 14 6 1]

I don't know how much better Knob is than Woody "X's & O's"-wise but one thing he seems to be better at is having a feel for the game. Just has a good idea of which players work well together

A clip of Stauffers text to Ryan Whitney read on today's podcast. Addresses the Xs and Os

https://x.com/BStauffz/status/1750012668076016058?s=20

 

[Soundwave]

Dumb argument and a reach as usual. When it comes to their goaltending, Oilers are literally knocking it out of the park with 4th round gem Stuart Skinner as we speak. So what? Vegas has access to all the best free agents cause of their location and they are allowed to try long shots as their goalie options but the Oilers aren’t?

Well you and I then differ on our opinion of what "knocking it out of the park" means.

Finding a dirt cheap diamond in the rough who's still relatively young to take you to a Cup win and is a Vezina contender the next season is way beyond finding maybe an OK starter in round 3/4.

Those two things aren't comparable, putting aside the fact that Vegas has found like 10 diamonds in the rough, them finding one at the goaltending position isn't really that shocking considering they do it with forwards and D already.

 

[TheNumber4]

Well you and I then differ on our opinion of what "knocking it out of the park" means.

Finding a dirt cheap diamond in the rough who's still relatively young to take you to a Cup win and is a Vezina contender the next season is way beyond finding maybe an OK starter in round 3/4.

Those two things aren't comparable, putting aside the fact that Vegas has found like 10 diamonds in the rough, them finding one at the goaltending position isn't really that shocking considering they do it with forwards and D already.

Yeh you and everyone else. Cause to you, everything about the Oilers sucks so you can move goal posts and change the expectations of their organization and compared to what you imagine as better managed organizations. Anyways, done with your skewed perception of reality tonight.

 

[Soundwave]

Yeh you and everyone else. Cause to you, everything about the Oilers sucks so you can move goal posts and change the expectations of their organization and compared to what you imagine as better managed organizations. Anyways, done with your skewed perception of reality tonight.

My expectations are the same every year. And they're not unreasonable given the two players the Oilers have at the top of the roster.

Vegas is one of the best run organization in the league, the results (reality, not opinion) say so, that's not even worth debating. That's just a tired and frankly dumb argument at this point after they've won a Cup.

 

[TheNumber4]

A clip of Stauffers text to Ryan Whitney read on today's podcast. Addresses the Xs and Os

https://x.com/BStauffz/status/1750012668076016058?s=20

That’s epic. And that’s why Stauff’s a legend.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

Skinner could get hurt in the last game of the season. We need a 1B, even if they never touch the ice in the playoffs. Have to get someone.

You should be banned for saying that alone.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

Or maybe really that rebuild era went sideways because Nugent Hopkins and Yakupov and really even Hall weren't good enough 1st overall pick players. Like RNH and Hall are decent players but they're not superstar/generational talents and Yakupov was a full on bust.

That was really more of the problem with that era.

What really sunk us was the inability to provide any of those guys with decent development structure and the inability to draft any sort of capable player outside of the 1st round.

 

[Soundwave]

What really sunk us was the inability to provide any of those guys with decent development structure and the inability to draft any sort of capable player outside of the 1st round.

I just don't think those guys were good enough.

RNH even today is like maybe the 5th best player on the team.

It's hard to build a franchise around that.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

Holloway is truly the wild card that can put this team over the top. Love seeing him off to a hot start post injury.

Watching him from row 5, he only played 9 and a bit, but was very noticeable the whole time. His engine is undeniable but he seems to have generated a feel for the game and knows where the puck is gonna be before it gets there.

 

[Satire]

Skinner has kept them in plenty of games including this one. This streak doesn’t happen without Skinner, the Oilers don’t dig out of the hole Campbell dug last year without Skinner, they dont make the playoffs without Skinner this year or last year. But at the end of the day Connor Brown is the truth, hail Satan etc

Connor Brown really turned this team around. My favourite part of the season so far is when Brown inspired Skinner to stop putting pucks in the net.

 

[TheNumber4]

What really sunk us was the inability to provide any of those guys with decent development structure and the inability to draft any sort of capable player outside of the 1st round.

And the fact that we couldn’t supplement our rebuild with good vets. That I would say is the prime culprit of the rebuild that never ended. Another Edmonton issue that teams like Vegas will never have to contend with. Or even teams like Detroit who’s supplemented their rebuild with vets like Perron, Ghost, and now even Patty Kane. And look how Detroit is doing now. The Hall era Oilers had zero access to vets of that quality.

And this is something the serial doomers around here like Soundwave will never acknowledge. It’s always just Edmontons managements fault with no true understanding of the market conditions we operate in.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

And the fact that we couldn’t supplement our rebuild with good vets. That I would say is the prime culprit of the rebuild that never ended. Another Edmonton issue that teams like Vegas will never have to contend with. Or even teams like Detroit who’s supplemented their rebuild with vets like Perron, Ghost, and now even Patty Kane. And look how Detroit is doing now. The Hall era Oilers had zero access to vets of that quality.

*sneezes loudly*

 

[Satire]

I guess we shouldn’t be too excited about the streak guys, some guy on CP said that we’re “smoke and mirrors, and only look good against bottom feeders”.

Joke is on them, our 2 worst games this 14 game won stretch was against bottom feeders. Oilers are a gentlemen's club; we never punch down.

 

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Interesting lines to end the game. Opens some new possibility

Drai - McDavid - Hyman
Kane - RNH - Foegele
Holloway - McLeod- Perry
Janmark - Ryan - Brown

If you could go and add a Guentzel or Lindholm to this group it becomes very frightening. This amount of talent playing a committed 5 man zone has enough pop to get through anyone. A lot of chemistry with these groups too.

Drai - McDavid - Kane
Hyman - RNH - Guentzel
Holloway - McLeod - Foegele
Janmark - Ryan - Perry/Brown

 

[TheNumber4]

Interesting lines to end the game. Opens some new possibility

Drai - McDavid - Hyman
Kane - RNH - Foegele
Holloway - McLeod- Perry
Janmark - Ryan - Brown

If you could go and add a Guentzel or Lindholm to this group it becomes very frightening. This amount of talent playing a committed 5 man zone has enough pop to get through anyone. A lot of chemistry with these groups too.

Drai - McDavid - Kane
RNH - Lindholm - Hyman
Holloway - McLeod - Foegele
Janmark - Ryan - Perry

The line changes at the end indicates to me something in the o-zone needs adjustment. I don’t think Knob like playing chemistry doctor all the time with these line changes. He’s spoken about line chemistry and consistency before. Maybe there needs to be some coaching done on that front, as teams are successfully shutting down our offence at a higher pace than expected.

 

[yukoner88]

Matte helmets now shiny helmets.


Little bit of a clown show over there in Vancouver

clowns have more consistency in the colours they like to use

 

[Cloned]

He literally gave perfect answers to each question. This guy just simply gets it. Great coach.

He’s the coach this team has needed for years. Pragmatic, adaptable and with nary a hint of ego.

 

[McFlyingV]

I believe his wife is a Dr and they have a great hospital there and it is still close to home

She's a nurse.

 

[McFlyingV]

Jets streak over. Oilers streak just getting started with our own ELITE goaltending.

It's funny you say that because I've always compared Skinner stylistically to Helle.

 

[TheNumber4]

It's funny you say that because I've always compared Skinner stylistically to Helle.

I see it too. But I refrained from saying it to not get downshouted by non-believers. I was waiting for more elite play to really throw out the hot take.

 

[McFlyingV]

I see it too. But I refrained from saying it to not get downshouted by non-believers. I was waiting for more elite play to really throw out the hot take.

He's not as athletic as Helle, but there's a lot of similarities.

 

[TheNumber4]

He's not as athletic as Helle, but there's a lot of similarities.

The cool and calm, no-variance positioning and lack of busy-ness in the Net I think are a good match.

 

[The Panther]

McDavid has entered that Crosby era where he isn’t as dominant anymore but his team is better.

I think it's a bit early to conclude that! Eight games ago, McDavid was pacing for 132 points over 82 GP. He's just gone into a bit of an offensive downtime for a couple of weeks. He'll be back.

Not that we care. 14 wins in a row is insane. No Canadian NHL franchise has ever done this. Okay, three of them are of the "cheap" variety (3-on-3 novelty time and one shoot-out), but a win's a win.

Good God, the Oilers looked like ass in the first 45 minutes of this game! Maybe the worst I've seen them since that game at Minnesota (?) where they lost about 8-2, and Bouchard got scored on on every third-period shift he took.

Columbus has a lot of likeable young guys. They skate hard, forecheck pretty well. The goalie is all right. The only thing they're not that good at is... playing hockey. If they can just master that, they'll be a good team someday.