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Fitzy said:
Frolov was skating around after an ACL tear.

If it's something like that, we'd be lucky to see Fox in the playoffs. Would effectively be a season ender for this team.
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Svechnikov took a few shifts after tearing his last year.

6-7 months is best case scenario for ACL recover after surgery so yeah, thats basically the year for him unless we get to the cup finals and play deep into that series.

I do think that @duhmetreE is more likely correct that they're trying to nip things before they become lingering.

SnowblindNYR said:
How likely is an ACL? They're not nearly as common in hockey as football right?
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Yeah football ACL tears mostly happen via non contact. That happens in hockey too but its way less common because you aren't planing your foot into turf and trying to burst off of it. Svechnikov is the only guy I can think of who recently had an ACL tear with out anyone within 5 feet of him.

ACL tears happen in hockey and I wouldn't call them rare. I don't know that the force was there for it on this play but the inward bowing of the knee when Aho ran into him is where I'm a bit concerned along with the further evaluation comment but that was applied to Chytil as well. There are certain things that could have been done immediately to rule out an ACL tear but we wouldn't hear about that.
 
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For anyone who remembers, Frolov took an unassuming hit to the knee and finished the period. His career was over a year later. Just want to mention that cause fox playing shifts after the hit doesn't mean anything. He may be out no games or the year. Won't know until they report it.

Also, did I miss a trouba interview? I didn't see him say anything about Aho. Was it edited for the upload cause we didn't want to actually start any rivalries around here. Heaven forbid there is actually some exciting hockey on with some bad blood. No...just show me another highlight of Zegras flipping the puck over the net.
 
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McRanger92 said:
Zac Jones better take advantage of whatever opportunity this Fox injury gives him. He is going to step into an important role with good ice time, because with all his faults, he can at least move the puck well.
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I used to be highly positive over this guy, but at this point, I'll take net-neutral play from him. He's going to have defensive warts.
 
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I could only find the one slow-mo angle and its probably the worst angle you could have to determine the severity of a knee injury.

You need one from the side to see how much the knee buckles. This frame below is the maximum point of buckling, but again it is hard to tell how inverted it is in relation to the femur and fibula.

The point of contact of Aho's leg to his is thankfully a little higher, on the thigh. But that trauma could still yield a major injury if his right skate was planted in the ice. It swung out quick so we know it wasnt planted, so thats good.

I think its also good that he played another shift (or two?). But who knows. Praying its not serious. It would be a colossal blow to this team.

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The best two words we could hear is "lower body" again.

If its anything specific, he'll be out for the year
 
Also - the way I see it:

If the players on the ice, especially Fox himself took issue with the contact, then it was dirty.

If it was accidental you wouldn't see as much outrage and calling out from Trouba, Laf, Lav, etc.

You would also see more of a fight put up by Aho, that POS, because he wouldve felt he didnt do anything wrong. If you watch the clip again, Aho looks right at Fox before the collision.
 
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PuckLuck3043 said:
No they don't. It's only 10 games into the season. They will finish top 3 in the Metro again this year.
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Yes they will. I don't actually think they suck. But they are the 2nd round matchup we would all LOVE to see. It's not because of how terrifying they are. Since game 2 of the playoffs in 21-22 we are 8-2 against them.
 
Riche16 said:
Yup

And that's what they "needed" to put on air.

In NYC... the TV capital of the world.

#1 Market... always has & always will.

There's no office, boardroom, lobby etc with an NYR or MSG logo you couldn't hang 4 lights & run some cable for two cams & 2 mics?

I'd be in someone's office tomorrow am everywhere I've worked.
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If you can get the inside scoop on what happened, we'd love to know.
 
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SnowblindNYR said:
I googled and it appears ACL injuries are relatively rare in hockey.
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Much rarer than other sports but I tore my ACL in hockey. I saw someone on Twitter claim that because he could skate after it means it wasn't a torn ACL, but that's not true. I played the remainder of that game, missed a few weeks and the doctor said I was fine, I played on it for about a year while waiting to see a specialist and then get an MRI, turned out I had a torn ACL
 
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HockeyBasedNYC said:
Also - the way I see it:

If the players on the ice, especially Fox himself took issue with the contact, then it was dirty.

If it was accidental you wouldn't see as much outrage and calling out from Trouba, Laf, Lav, etc.

You would also see more of a fight put up by Aho, that POS, because he wouldve felt he didnt do anything wrong. If you watch the clip again, Aho looks right at Fox before the collision.
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You're right about Fox thinking it was dirty because he rarely speaks up. Like I said, it doesn't matter whether Aho did or did not. He needs to answer the bell from an injured player's teammates. That's how it's taken care of on the ice.
 
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EdJovanovski said:
Much rarer than other sports but I tore my ACL in hockey. I saw someone on Twitter claim that because he could skate after it means it wasn't a torn ACL, but that's not true. I played the remainder of that game, missed a few weeks and the doctor said I was fine, I played on it for about a year while waiting to see a specialist and then get an MRI, turned out I had a torn ACL
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but you're a super freak human athlete.
 
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NYR's current organizational depth at RD if Fox misses any time is

Mac Hollowell (AHL)
Victor Mancini (NCAA)
 
Fitzy said:
NYR's current organizational depth at RD if Fox misses any time is

Mac Hollowell (AHL)
Victor Mancini (NCAA)
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Jones can play the Right Side but that doesn't mean much

will1066 said:
I think he would immediately be on the first power play. The unit looked a bit out of sorts with left-handed Gus.
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He also left handed doofus
 
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SnowblindNYR said:
I googled and it appears ACL injuries are relatively rare in hockey.
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Also depends on the cards you're dealt. P Bure wasn't exactly physical; his knees just gave out relatively early in his career (first ACL tear I think was at 24 years old). Let's hope for the best.
 
duhmetreE said:
Jones can play the Right Side but that doesn't mean much


He also left handed doofus
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Sure, and I think that may be how they proceed.

If Fox is out for the year, we might see a trade if Jones struggles.

If Fox just misses a few games, it'll be a good chance for the kid to get some action and hopefully some offensive experience at the NHL level.
 
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will1066 said:
I think he would immediately be on the first power play. The unit looked a bit out of sorts with left-handed Gus.
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Yeah only one game of course but Gus was not really able to deal with the pressure from the pk. They couldn't even get set up.
 
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I'm going to say this once and it should be pinned until we hear otherwise.

Pain (or lack of pain) is not a sign that this wasn't that bad
Him coming back to play a shift or 2 does not mean everything is fine.
Instability, not pain, is the main sign of an ACL tear (there is pain associated with it, but it doesn't have to be excruciating.)
ACL tears are "rare" in the sense that they don't happen to everyone in hockey but we still see probably on average 3-5 of them every season so they DO happen. Kirby Dach is already out for the year with one.

It's a good idea to not get too caught up in all of the hooplah and just wait for the results though. He's probably not going to miss the year with an ACL tear, I don't think the force was there for it but he's certainly going to miss some time. Aho should be dealt with the next time the Rangers play the Canes. If he doesn't want to answer the bell then the issue should be forced upon him.


duhmetreE said:
you're a super freak human athlete.
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Even super freak human athletes can shoot more than 2 MPH.
 
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How deeply do we need to look for an RHD in our org? Harpur and Jones are LHD. Anything below that seems unfathomable. Hope we don't need to unload a prospect or a pick for a top-six RHD only for him to be a healthy scratch once Fox recovers -- again, should the worst be the case.
 
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