Confirmed Signing with Link: [STL] Pat Maroon signs with STL (1 year, $1.75M)

[SC2GM]

*tilts head to the side*

We got a player who has put up 40 point per game numbers in 4 of his 5 seasons for under 2 million a year, and you are just ****ting on it constantly for no real reason. You are weird.

In what WORLD would a NHL player not come close to getting 40 points when playing on the first line every season and getting power play time? IN WHAT WORLD? Freaking fourth liners, who get next to zero ice time per game and zero power play time, get around 20 points...

Kyle freaking Brodziak had 33 points last season. Fourth line player playing 13 minutes a game. Tell me how many freaking points you'd think Brodziak would get if playing with McDavid, Taylor Hall, and Getzlaf, instead of freaking Sundqvist?

There is such a thing as being a product of your environment. It's insane to me. If anyone calls Maroon a 40 point player, then you HAVE to call A LOT of 4th liners 40 point players.

For some reason this obvious truth is something people overlook unintentionally or intentionally. It's not rocket science. If you get more ice time, you get more points. If you play with better players, you get more points. If you're getting minutes + great line mates, then you need to perform at what that level enables. 40 points is a huge under performance. On the flip side, 40 points on the fourth line is a GREAT season and a huge over performance. Things have more depth to them than points per season.

Btw, I like Brodziak and didn't mean to slight him. He's probably far more valuable than Maroon.

 

[bigduga]

This X1000...I'm cautiously optimistic but still waiting for the other shoe to drop. I just hope we don't end up losing Edmundson or Parayko over this.

I mean, we signed a free agent power-winger from the devils...what could *possibly* go wrong?

 

[shpongle falls]

Blues got a potential 30 point forward for 1.7 mil, I'm okay with that. I think it's so cool it's been Maroon's life long dream to play for the Blues, excited to see how he can help the team.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

That avatar is disturbing in a beautiful way

Right back atcha champ

 

[Tryblot]

*tilts head to the side*

We got a player who has put up 40 point per season numbers in 4 of his 5 seasons for under 2 million a year, and you are just ****ting on it constantly for no real reason. You are weird.

He wanted to trade half the roster, first two round picks and Allen for Stone. He wanted to run with Husso as the starter and about 4 rookies on the roster. He wanted to do that along with trade the first 2 round picks for next year. His viewpoint is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[SC2GM]

He wanted to trade half the roster, first two round picks and Allen for Stone. He wanted to run with Husso as the starter and about 4 rookies on the roster. He wanted to do that along with trade the first 2 round picks for next year. His viewpoint is absolutely ridiculous.

How about being honest? Parayko, Tage Tompson, 2019 first, Jake Allen and Berglund. And I wanted to trade Sobotka to another team.

You tell me HOW MUCH DIFFERENT IS THAT THAN THE O'Reilly TRADE? You know, the one which everyone on the site treats as the best trade of the past decade.

Stone is worth Parayko and Allen is worth -1 first round pick atm, at a minimum. Really crazy stuff. The player I wanted last season: Schenn. How did that turn out. Really out in left field here...

Anyone who thinks giving Allen more playing time than Husso makes ANY SENSE, outside of trying to return value to Allen, belongs in another universe - for the sake of anyone sane.

 

[stl76]

I mean, we signed a free agent power-winger from the devils...what could *possibly* go wrong?

 

[TK 421]

How about being honest? Parayko, Tage Tompson, 2019 first, Jake Allen and Berglund. And I wanted to trade Sobotka to another team.

You tell me HOW MUCH DIFFERENT IS THAT THAN THE O"Reilly TRADE? You know, the one which everyone on the site treats as the best trade of the past decade.

Stone is worth Parayko and Allen is worth -1 first round pick atm, at a minimum. Really crazy stuff. The player I wanted last season: Schenn. How did that turn out. Really out in left field here...

Anyone who thinks giving Allen more playing time than Husso makes ANY SENSE, outside of trying to return value to Allen, belongs in another universe - for the sake of anyone sane.

Parayko in a package for a winger is surging past the boundaries of sanity and I love Stone as much as you do. That's a huge difference compared to the ROR trade return, no roster dman in the deal.

I'm holding tight to my "Husso is our starter" and Mike Yeo will only be here "a little bit longer" narrative for how this season will play out.

 

[bigduga]

I’m no rocket surgeon, but the difference between trading thompson, Berglund, Sobotka and two draft picks for O’Reily, and trading Parayko, Allen, Thompson, Berglund, and a first as you proposed, is that in your plan we don’t have a starting goaltender with NHL experience, and we’re down one 20-minute a night defenseman.

Unless you wer planning on getting a legitimate #2 defender *and* a starting Goalie for Sobotka...i vote the blues are better off where they actually ended up.

 

[SC2GM]

Parayko in a package for a winger is surging past the boundaries of sanity and I love Stone as much as you do. That's a huge difference compared to the ROR trade return, no roster dman in the deal.

I'm holding tight to my "Husso is our starter" and Mike Yeo will only be here "a little bit longer" narrative for how this season will play out.

Honestly, the package isn't that much when you consider we WANTED to get rid of Berglund and Sobotka. Simply freeing up their spots + salary was imperative. Anything you could possibly get back in return, that was of value, was just a bonus.... And, let's be real - Allen is the elephant in the room that has held this team back for a long time. Regardless of how Allen would perform, he has the worst attitude I've ever seen. Absolutely the last thing you'd want from your goalie. Unacceptable.

The value of getting rid of Allen and freeing up playing time for a great goalie prospect, who you hope can be your future starter for many years to come, is near invaluable.

Mark Stone was over a point per game last season. Mark Stone led the league in takeaways for 3 years straight. One year... he had like 127 takeaways and second place had like 77... So, just cause Stone plays forward doesn't mean you would lose defense by trading Parayko. Stone would absolutely complete our lineup. We have no natural top 9 right wingers outside of Tarasenko.

Schwartz and Stone on the same team is a dream worth pursing at nearly any cost. Filling a top line forward spot is way more important than filling a second paring defensive spot. If the goalie plays well, it doesn't matter who is on your second pairing. If the goalie doesn't perform well, same thing.

 

[Novacain]

How about being honest? Parayko, Tage Tompson, 2019 first, Jake Allen and Berglund. And I wanted to trade Sobotka to another team.

You tell me HOW MUCH DIFFERENT IS THAT THAN THE O'Reilly TRADE? You know, the one which everyone on the site treats as the best trade of the past decade.

Well the part we have Colton Parayko still as a top 4 defensemen instead of Robert Bortuzzo for one. Also, the part were we have a legitimately great grouping of centers now for 2.

 

[TK 421]

Honestly, the package isn't that much when you consider we WANTED to get rid of Berglund and Sobotka. Simply freeing up their spots + salary was imperative. Anything you could possibly get back in return, that was of value, was just a bonus.... And, let's be real - Allen is the elephant in the room that has held this team back for a long time. Regardless of how Allen would perform, he has the worst attitude I've ever seen. Absolutely the last thing you'd want from your goalie. Unacceptable.

The value of getting rid of Allen and freeing up playing time for a great goalie prospect, who you hope can be your future starter for many years to come, is near invaluable.

Mark Stone was over a point per game last season. Mark Stone led the league in takeaways for 3 years straight. One year... he had like 127 takeaways and second place had like 77... So, just cause Stone plays forward doesn't mean you would lose defense by trading Parayko. Stone would absolutely complete our lineup. We have no natural top 9 right wingers outside of Tarasenko.

Schwartz and Stone on the same team is a dream worth pursing at nearly any cost.

I have trade fapped to Schwartz/Stone on the same team fantasies for quite some time now, cheers to you on that. Good point on Allen but I can't stomach losing the 24+ minute a night RHS RD, he's NHL Gold in value. Nice attempt by you all the same man, we're on the same page in recognizing Stone is amazing.

 

[TK 421]

I would like to add that Husso may not even see a game this year, which I find incredibly dissapointing, but who knows. We could see an injury to either Allen or Johnson and he'll be right there. Also if Allen has another prolonged period of **** play we could see him in then as well and hey... this is Jake Allen we're talking about here, that could easily be how this plays out. Whatever, I'm ready for Finnish Terminator/Serial Killer Ville Husso so if Allen falters it won't bother me one bit as long as Husso gets a shot.

 

[BlueSeal]

*sips his coffee*

 

[Reality Czech]

In what WORLD would a NHL player not come close to getting 40 points when playing on the first line every season and getting power play time? IN WHAT WORLD? Freaking fourth liners, who get next to zero ice time per game and zero power play time, get around 20 points...

Kyle freaking Brodziak had 33 points last season. Fourth line player playing 13 minutes a game. Tell me how many freaking points you'd think Brodziak would get if playing with McDavid, Taylor Hall, and Getzlaf, instead of freaking Sundqvist?

There is such a thing as being a product of your environment. It's insane to me. If anyone calls Maroon a 40 point player, then you HAVE to call A LOT of 4th liners 40 point players.

For some reason this obvious truth is something people overlook unintentionally or intentionally. It's not rocket science. If you get more ice time, you get more points. If you play with better players, you get more points. If you're getting minutes + great line mates, then you need to perform at what that level enables. 40 points is a huge under performance. On the flip side, 40 points on the fourth line is a GREAT season and a huge over performance. Things have more depth to them than points per season.

Btw, I like Brodziak and didn't mean to slight him. He's probably far more valuable than Maroon.

Maroon stole your girlfriend in high school, didn't he? Just admit it. Your obsession with him this thread is sad. Let it go.

 

[captainpaxil]

Bit of a show me deal. Ive always liked the player and hes a legit power forward and a very good complimentary player. Definitely good value

 

[SC2GM]

Maroon stole your girlfriend in high school, didn't he? Just admit it. Your obsession with him this thread is sad. Let it go.

Maybe, in a Pat Maroon thread I should be smart like you and develop an obsession with a poster. I'm not trying to date you. Stop talking to me. You contribute jack.

It's absolutely asinine to do player evaluation without factoring in the factors behind their points or lack of points. It would be like saying you're a good poster cause you had Wayne Gretzky post for you. The idea that 40 points is good for a first line player or that you could expect the same amount of points if they were on a lower line is childish and absurd. All of this talk of massive discounts and 40 point player implies exactly that.

We have players with a real future of being LEGIT top line players, who now don't have a spot in the lineup -- bearing trade. Moves that can BARELY help you now, if any, and can only hurt you in the future are never great moves. I'm not going to comment on it again. All that needs to be said is Brodziak has a higher career high in points than Maroon, and he had a more impressive season last year, when factoring in environment/opportunities.

Brodz signed for 1.1 million per year. Yet, no one cares (no one wants to call him a 40 point player), yet everyone is trying to find a reason for why people should care about Maroon. This kind of stupidity is exactly how and why people can make the Vegas Knights a stanley cup team.

 

[Stelmacki]

Be right back, gonna go let The Asylum know I found one of their missing posters.

 

[Reality Czech]

Maybe, in a Pat Maroon thread I should be smart like you and develop an obsession with a poster. I'm not trying to date you. Stop talking to me. You contribute jack.

It's absolutely asinine to do player evaluation without factoring in the factors behind their points or lack of points. It would be like saying you're a good poster cause you had Wayne Gretzky post for you. The idea that 40 points is good for a first line player or that you could expect the same amount of points if they were on a lower line is childish and absurd. All of this talk of massive discounts and 40 point player implies exactly that.

We have players with a real future of being LEGIT top line players, who now don't have a spot in the lineup -- bearing trade. Moves that can BARELY help you now, if any, and can only hurt you in the future are never great moves. I'm not going to comment on it again. All that needs to be said is Brodziak has a higher career high in points than Maroon, and he had a more impressive season last year, when factoring in environment/opportunities.

Brodz signed for 1.1 million per year. Yet, no one cares (no one wants to call him a 40 point player), yet everyone is trying to find a reason for why people should care about Maroon. This kind of stupidity is exactly how and why people can make the Vegas Knights a stanley cup team.

Unlike the fantasy world you live in, in my world "40 point players" are those who actually score 40 points. Pretty simple concept. You have shown your ignorance repeatedly, so you don't really deserve a rational response. You say Brodziak only played 4th line last year, conveniently forgetting that he finished the year as our 3rd or even 2nd line center. You act as if Maroon has ONLY played on first lines, which is not true. And you keep bringing up players that are unrelated to this thread topic, trying to derail the conversation that normal people are having. All you are doing is demonstrating your mental illness to the forum. Just because you don't care about a topic doesn't mean others shouldn't, and you quite obviously DO care because you can't seem to leave this thread.

Maroon will not play much on the 4th line this year, just wait and see. You and many others seems to forget that injuries happen every year and the lines will not look as you are imagining. Wake up, bud.

Look, I'm sorry Pat bullied you in high school but it's gonna be ok. It was a long time ago.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Nice signing for one year. Blues doing well this off season. Like their moves.

 

[SC2GM]

Unlike the fantasy world you live in, in my world "40 point players" are those who actually score 40 points. Pretty simple concept. You have shown your ignorance repeatedly, so you don't really deserve a rational response. You say Brodziak only played 4th line last year, conveniently forgetting that he finished the year as our 3rd or even 2nd line center. You act as if Maroon has ONLY played on first lines, which is not true. And you keep bringing up players that are unrelated to this thread topic, trying to derail the conversation that normal people are having. All you are doing is demonstrating your mental illness to the forum. Just because you don't care about a topic doesn't mean others shouldn't, and you quite obviously DO care because you can't seem to leave this thread.

Maroon will not play much on the 4th line this year, just wait and see. You and many others seems to forget that injuries happen every year and the lines will not look as you are imagining. Wake up, bud.

Look, I'm sorry Pat bullied you in high school but it's gonna be ok. It was a long time ago.

Compare and contrast isn't your strong suit. Brodziak has scored 44 points in a season. Sounds like a 40 point player to me. 33 points last year. Oh no... he's lost it. Hey guys... could you help me out. I'm having a really tough time trying to figure out what it would take for Brodziak to become a 40 point player again. Oh... golly geez guys: "more playing time and better linemates? Playing with McDavid would guarantee it!" Really?

That was a tough one. Thanks guys. Make sure to go to the Brodziak threads and let everyone know he should be getting 3 million per year or w/e you think Maroon passed up.

Brodziak played the majority of the season on the fourth line. I'm sorry everyone got injured and he got to play a few games on the top line.

Since we love 40 point players and showed it by signing Lehtera to over 4.7 million a year... anyone got any updates on our trash player who was fortunate enough to play on the top line all year, much like... Maroon? Oh yeah... no one considers him to even be NHL material now. 8 points last year?

Fantasy land and reality don't mix well.

 

[Itsnotatrap]

I don’t think Maroon takes this unless he was getting some assurances that his usage isn’t going to be standard 4th line.

 

[WTFMAN99]

How about being honest? Parayko, Tage Tompson, 2019 first, Jake Allen and Berglund. And I wanted to trade Sobotka to another team.

You tell me HOW MUCH DIFFERENT IS THAT THAN THE O'Reilly TRADE? You know, the one which everyone on the site treats as the best trade of the past decade.

Stone is worth Parayko and Allen is worth -1 first round pick atm, at a minimum. Really crazy stuff. The player I wanted last season: Schenn. How did that turn out. Really out in left field here...

Anyone who thinks giving Allen more playing time than Husso makes ANY SENSE, outside of trying to return value to Allen, belongs in another universe - for the sake of anyone sane.

 

[Vide]

Damn, this was his big opportunity to cash in and get set up for life, but he decided being with his kid was more important. Mad respect to Patty. Class act.

 

[MortiestOfMortys]

Yeesh... well anyways...

Seems like pretty much everybody else is excited to get the Big Rig in STL, he adds some good depth, physicality, and scoring touch to our squad, and enables us to roll with 4 scoring lines if we want to.

Hats off to Armstrong, he added three forty-point forwards (two of which are righties, which we desperately needed), a solid backup goalie to help bring Husso along, and traded for a 1C. That’s a huge offseason by any measure, and it immediately puts us back in the conversation in the West. Are we better than Winnipeg, Nashville, Vegas or LA? Idk, we’ll have to play the games. But I absolutely love the way we look on paper right now