joestevens29
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I wonder if he'll send his biggest fans a new hat. Poor girl had a Jersey hat living in Edmonton and now has to buy a Blues gear?
As a lifelong blues fan, i’m thrilled to finally be on the beneficial side of propably the most transparently one-sided piece of offseason cap-manipulation in the division.
Also as a lifelong blues fan, i’m completely paranoid that we’re going to end up forfeiting draft picks after he signs a 4x3.5 extension in January after the league decides they need to invent some bullsh!t punishment to retroactively make an example out of someone for this.
I mean, we signed a free agent power-winger from the devils...what could *possibly* go wrong?
Great signing. Great offseason. On paper, this all looks quite nice. Yeo must deliver with the goods he's been given. People *****ing about Maroon have not watched him play. If you think he just sucked on McDavid's teat, he was a .46 PPG player in EDM and NJ and a whopping .56 with EDM. Not a big difference. He's also produced in the playoffs with 27p in 47g. The Perron deal was great as well. If you're a Blues fan and you're whining about these signings or you're mad that people are excited, you have issues.
He played with Getzlaf in Anaheim., except for the season they traded him. He didn't play with Getzlaf that season, and as a result had 13 points in 56 games. Then he was traded to Edmonton for nothing, where he had a resurgence with McDavid. In New Jersey, his small sample size stats were boosted by 5 points in the last 2 games against teams with nothing to gain and PP points with Taylor Hall.
He is a good complimentary player. There is nothing wrong with that. For the price we got him, that's great. If we put him with talented players, he can put up points. If we don't, he won't drive the play or make a bad line better but he could still chip in enough to make it worth while. For the cost, its a fine signing but it doesn't suddenly make us a contender. Every other move we made this off-season was far more important. And there are moves we could have potentially made that would have had a much greater effect. Our success relies on our goal-tending, our youth, how well ROR and Bozak click, far more than Maroon.
Perhaps he really wanted to play for his hometown team?Could have paid for his son's family's moving costs and living expenses and given about a million of spare cash and probably made a profit anyway. I wonder...
It's 2 posters. 2 insufferable posters.Great signing. Great offseason. On paper, this all looks quite nice. Yeo must deliver with the goods he's been given. People *****ing about Maroon have not watched him play. If you think he just sucked on McDavid's teat, he was a .46 PPG player in EDM and NJ and a whopping .56 with EDM. Not a big difference. He's also produced in the playoffs with 27p in 47g. The Perron deal was great as well. If you're a Blues fan and you're whining about these signings or you're mad that people are excited, you have issues.
I appreciate the Getzlaf information, but that's precisely what I'm talking about/concerned about. 13 points in 56 games extrapolates to 19 points in 82 games. If you've played sports and have ever been dominate or played with dominate players, you know it's a piggy back ride. Even zero skilled players can rack up points. Put NHL caliber players with superstars? Ofc you're going to get some points or else you wouldn't be in the league.
The problem is, it's all about efficiency. We could've put Ryan Reaves on our first line and gotten around 30 points, but that wouldn't be very efficient. Other players would have gotten far more points, and by having a player playing above where he should, skill wise, that's going to bring down the point totals of Tarasenko and company. Everyone who isn't a legit top line player suffers production wise when you put a "poser" on their line.
It's the same concept for every line. I think it's important that every line has a skill threshold that should be met to play on it. We're not going to be able to match up well with other lines if we have a weak link.
When you've yet to have a great year, stats wise, and you're about to exit your prime... and you're about to play with lesser players... it's just hard to not have flashbacks of Lehtera. I'd rather have Reaves. But, like I've said, I'm big on letting rookies prove themselves and get their feet wet. I hate to harp on it but it all comes back to Bishop.
Over two years of playing with the Blues, Bishop started 8 games. He then, quickly, went on to become one of the premier goalies after leaving. It's pointless to have good prospects who perform well in the minors if you just keep coming up with excuses to not play them and valuing average veterans over them. It's riskier to go that route than vice versa. The risk/reward is horrible. We need to find out what we have before rushing to other peoples' meh commodities.
He played with Getzlaf in Anaheim., except for the season they traded him. He didn't play with Getzlaf that season, and as a result had 13 points in 56 games. Then he was traded to Edmonton for nothing, where he had a resurgence with McDavid. In New Jersey, his small sample size stats were boosted by 5 points in the last 2 games against teams with nothing to gain and PP points with Taylor Hall.
He is a good complimentary player. There is nothing wrong with that. For the price we got him, that's great. If we put him with talented players, he can put up points. If we don't, he won't drive the play or make a bad line better but he could still chip in enough to make it worth while. For the cost, its a fine signing but it doesn't suddenly make us a contender. Every other move we made this off-season was far more important. And there are moves we could have potentially made that would have had a much greater effect. Our success relies on our goal-tending, our youth, how well ROR and Bozak click, far more than Maroon.
How about being honest? Parayko, Tage Tompson, 2019 first, Jake Allen and Berglund. And I wanted to trade Sobotka to another team.
You tell me HOW MUCH DIFFERENT IS THAT THAN THE O'Reilly TRADE? You know, the one which everyone on the site treats as the best trade of the past decade.
Stone is worth Parayko and Allen is worth -1 first round pick atm, at a minimum. Really crazy stuff. The player I wanted last season: Schenn. How did that turn out. Really out in left field here...
Anyone who thinks giving Allen more playing time than Husso makes ANY SENSE, outside of trying to return value to Allen, belongs in another universe - for the sake of anyone sane.
So because this signing wasn't as important as the other things we did this summer, we shouldn't be excited about it? Can we at least talk about it? Can I talk about it with friends and close relatives in private?
All of the moves combined make us a contender, not this one. Find me one person saying otherwise.
Oh please mods let me say more than I probably should.
"And there are moves we could have potentially made that would have had a much greater effect.". Name one. Seriously. Name 1 move.
I don't know what the worst part of this post is, the fact that you consider Ben Bishop a premier goalie in the NHL, or that you would take Reaves over Maroon. Probably the former.
A 919 save percentage vs a 913 save percentage. The one is that premier goalie you are talking about, the other is your boy Jake Allen.
Playoffs .927 vs .922....
Are you serious? You can't be. Carey freaking Price has a career save % of 918. Do you have ANY idea what elite goaltenders have save % wise? You can't be this clueless. Receiving breaking news from Letsgoblues91: Pekka Rinne isn't an elite goalie since he has the same career save % as Ben Bishop. Lol.
913 career save % for the Blues is awful. Brian Elliot had two seasons of .940 and .930 with the Blues. Allen is one of the few goalies, to play any substantial amount of time, to not put up gaudy numbers. You may have missed this, too, but our defense is pretty good relative to other teams. Thus... not exactly apples to apples. And even if you tried to compare that way... .919 is elite, no matter how you want to view it, career wise.
The difference between average and elite save percentage isn't massive. When you have an average save % on one of the best defensive teams, and you have the worst attitude in the league... you shouldn't be in the league.
I actually didn't care about moving Oshie. I was actually hoping we would trade him. After seeing us be bad for so long, with the same group of players, you feel ready to see some players, if not all, on other teams... Guy brought such a frat house vibe to the team. It's like... do we suck cause we're drunk or are we just bad. Why can't we even stay on our stakes... That said.. he was the best in shootouts. Absolute wizard.How many drywall holes did you have to patch when the Oshie to Washington trade went down?
He played with Getzlaf in Anaheim., except for the season they traded him. He didn't play with Getzlaf that season, and as a result had 13 points in 56 games. Then he was traded to Edmonton for nothing, where he had a resurgence with McDavid. In New Jersey, his small sample size stats were boosted by 5 points in the last 2 games against teams with nothing to gain and PP points with Taylor Hall.
He is a good complimentary player. There is nothing wrong with that. For the price we got him, that's great. If we put him with talented players, he can put up points. If we don't, he won't drive the play or make a bad line better but he could still chip in enough to make it worth while. For the cost, its a fine signing but it doesn't suddenly make us a contender. Every other move we made this off-season was far more important. And there are moves we could have potentially made that would have had a much greater effect. Our success relies on our goal-tending, our youth, how well ROR and Bozak click, far more than Maroon.
The Oilers couldn't afford this or at least make this worth his while? SMH Chia
Hmmm...I'm noticing a theme here.Worst-case scenario - Maroon ends up being a key depth piece for our top six after Fabbri comes back too slow to be effective, Thomas plays like a 19 yer-old, and Schwartz finds some new exciting way to freakishly end up on injured reserve for two months. The resilient Blues claw their way into a middle playoff seed in the west and win a tight first round series before getting submarined by terrible goaltending and losing a second round series in five games.
Best-case Scenario - Maroon has a marginal-season from a statistical standpoint playing down in the forward depth on one of the deepest forward groups in the league. The defense is stout as usual, and the Blues ride their new deep, punchy offense full of actual NHL centers where all the pieces fit together according to everyone's best expectations to presidents trophy contention and a top seed in the west. They get submarined by terrible goaltending in the first round and get swept by an 8 seed.
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Yes, the best case scenario ends up in the Blues being eliminated from the playoffs earlier than they are the worst case scenario. If you're a Blues fan and don't understand how that works out logically, you either haven't been alive long enough or you're not paying attention.