Confirmed Signing with Link: [STL] F Dylan Holloway (2 years, $2.290457M AAV) and D Philip Broberg (2 years, $4.580917M AAV) sign offer sheets with the Blues (not matched)

[Guelkey]

Question. Are the Oilers allowed to trade the rights of one of the players during the 7 day matching period? And then the new team can then match the offer sheet.

If possible, may allow them to get a bit better return. Than just a 2nd for Broberg or a 3rd for Holloway.

I do know there is a 1 year ban on trading the players once signed. Just didn't know if they could be traded prior to matching or making decision not to match.

 

[ManofSteel55]

No that's not accurate. An offer sheet has to be signed by the player for it to be formally submitted to the league. Maybe teams do extend offer sheets every summer to players but if the player doesn't sign it then it means nothing. Both Broberg and Holloway signed the OS's this time so an announcement was made.

Yeah, an offer sheet without the player signing it is nothing - its just an offer letter basically, like any other contract that hasn't been signed yet. We wouldn't hear about any unsigned OS's.

 

[DKH]

If this wasn’t Bowman it wouldn’t have happened.

What he did to win was disgraceful.

Can’t look at Chicago Cups without thinking of the scandal that went with it

 

[ManofSteel55]

Question. Are the Oilers allowed to trade the rights of one of the players during the 7 day matching period? And then the new team can then match the offer sheet.

If possible, may allow them to get a bit better return. Than just a 2nd for Broberg or a 3rd for Holloway.

I do know there is a 1 year ban on trading the players once signed. Just didn't know if they could be traded prior to signing.

I can't answer your question, but I don't think we could trade Broberg for a 2nd at 4.5M in salary. That's a steep price for him. Holloway might be tradeable for a 3rd at this OS though.

 

[JKG33]

I know you hate the Oil I saw you in the playoff thread, saying things like the Oilers have useless players is just petty bro.

Are you saying Nurse, Campbell, Brown, Ceci, Kane (the players I was referring to as useless) have lived up to their contracts? Do you seriously think someone like Jeff Skinner is worth losing two of your top young players?

 

[Bond]

Question. Are the Oilers allowed to trade the rights of one of the players during the 7 day matching period? And then the new team can then match the offer sheet.

If possible, may allow them to get a bit better return. Than just a 2nd for Broberg or a 3rd for Holloway.

I do know there is a 1 year ban on trading the players once signed. Just didn't know if they could be traded prior to signing.

What else would they get? They are now expensive

 

[JKG33]

Question. Are the Oilers allowed to trade the rights of one of the players during the 7 day matching period? And then the new team can then match the offer sheet.

If possible, may allow them to get a bit better return. Than just a 2nd for Broberg or a 3rd for Holloway.

I do know there is a 1 year ban on trading the players once signed. Just didn't know if they could be traded prior to matching or making decision not to match.

Negative. The players will either be members of the Oilers or Blues, whatever Edmonton decides.

Edit: I was wrong, apparently they can't be traded until a year later

 

[PocketNines]

Like Bourgault, Carter Savoie, Matvey Petrov and Tyler Tullio? McLeod?

They've got a weak pipeline to say the least. Savoie from Buffalo is about it and he's 20 and tiny. Could be a good second liner in a few years when Drai and McDavid are gone.

I don't follow, sorry. The question I quoted was how Blues fans feel about it. I was responding, I'm a Blues fan, Blues pipeline was my reference

 

[Roof Daddy]

Holloway seems like an obvious insta-match.

He is.

With Kane on LTIR I think he’ll be the 3LW with Rico and Brown. If he gets 14 minutes a night in that role, I think 35-40 points is achievable, which will be fair production for the 2.3 mil

 

[Bond]

Negative. The players will either be members of the Oilers or Blues, whatever Edmonton decides.

The players can be traded immediately after the offer sheet is settled, but not before

Nah, they can't be traded for a year once the OS settles

 

[Guelkey]

I can't answer your question, but I don't think we could trade Broberg for a 2nd at 4.5M in salary. That's a steep price for him. Holloway might be tradeable for a 3rd at this OS though.

Agreed on the value. 4.5m is high in salary. But could get a different type of return. Player, prospect, etc.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Question. Are the Oilers allowed to trade the rights of one of the players during the 7 day matching period? And then the new team can then match the offer sheet.

If possible, may allow them to get a bit better return. Than just a 2nd for Broberg or a 3rd for Holloway.

I do know there is a 1 year ban on trading the players once signed. Just didn't know if they could be traded prior to matching or making decision not to match.

Would the league allow St Louis to rescind it’s trade with Pittsburgh?

 

[JKG33]

Nah, they can't be traded for a year once the OS settles

Edit: nvm I think you're right

 

[McJedi]

I don't follow, sorry. The question I quoted was how Blues fans feel about it. I was responding, I'm a Blues fan, Blues pipeline was my reference

My bad. Sorry I misunderstood.

 

[Craig Ludwig]

Negative. The players will either be members of the Oilers or Blues, whatever Edmonton decides.

The players can be traded immediately after the offer sheet is settled, but not before

So I guess Oilers will match, then offer up both players the highest bidder if they can't fit them in before start of season.

 

[Mike Liut]

I wonder if the Blues even really want Holloway, or if it is part of gamesmanship to get Broberg? If they didn't make the OS to Holloway, and we could get him for around 1.2 - 1.5 like we were expecting, it would be easier to match the OS on Broberg, but having that extra 1M going to Holloway, if we match, makes it harder to match the Broberg OS. I wonder if Armstrong isn't trying to outsmart Bowman here, and is using Holloway as pawn to increase the odds of the Broberg deal not being matched.

He’s really not needed on the Blues, it just puts more pressure on the Oilers. But if he can be acquired for a 3rd, it’s a good deal. Cant ever hurt adding assets for cheap.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1823352850425979310

What a big ball move

 

[ManofSteel55]

So I guess Oilers will match, then offer up both players the highest bidder if they can't fit them in before start of season.

Nope. If they match it, they can't trade either player for a year. They could match and then trade someone else to make the space work though.

What a big ball move

Signing 2 offer sheets to the same team is a big ball move, ha ha. I would love this if it wasn't the Oilers on the wrong end of it.

 

[beowulf]

Really weird offer sheets. Ya former first rounders but neither has lived up to anything and the financial price is not cheap considering neither is an NHL regular yet. Interesting to see how this ones ends up.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

The compensation is pretty awful.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Yes, I'm sure they are going to ask for a 1st for a player that has 1 or 2 years left on his deal at a decent cap hit in today's NHL.

Ceci has 1 year left at 3.25 mil per.
Kulak has 2 years left at 2.75 mil per.

Given that they know Edmonton is desperate because they're being losing a better player in Broberg, what incentive do they have to help you without bloated compensation? Especially not for a widely inconsistent bottom six defenseman in Ceci who didn't exactly have a glowing playoff, or two years of Kulak.

They may be moveable but it will definitely come with a cost.

 

[Craig Ludwig]

Nope. If they match it, they can't trade either player for a year. They could match and then trade someone else to make the space work though.

Wow! Bad move not signing Broberg before they went and signed Arvidson. And no one will take Kane off their hands. BUT, they can pull the old Tampa Bay Kucherov move where Kane misses entire regular season and is magically 100% come playoff time! At least that saves them Broberg.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

He’s really not needed on the Blues, it just puts more pressure on the Oilers. But if he can be acquired for a 3rd, it’s a good deal. Cant ever hurt adding assets for cheap.

Ya a 3rd round pick is nothing. This is the best weaponization of cap space ive seen in a while. Especially since Drai isnt even signed so lots of things for Bowman to think about.

Wow! Bad move not signing Broberg before they went and signed Arvidson. And no one will take Kane off their hands. BUT, they can pull the old Tampa Bay Kucherov move where Kane misses entire regular season and is magically 100% come playoff time! At least that saves them Broberg.

I think kane is for sure not coming back.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

I'm surprised offer sheets don't happen more often especially to teams who are in cap hell.

 

[NeverForget06]

Also, nice work from absolute elite irreplaceable GM Stan Bowman, whose hire came after no stone was left unturned.

I mean to be fair I would assume both agents here knew that an offer sheet was a strong possibility and didn't need to accept lower... if Bowman had just come out and signed Broberg to 4.6 X 2 everyone would have lost their minds.

It's Bowman's problem to solve but he really has his buddies Ken Holland and Jeff Jackson to thank for putting him in this situation