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Also, nice work from absolute elite irreplaceable GM Stan Bowman, whose hire came after no stone was left unturned.
Confirmed Signing with Link: [STL] F Dylan Holloway (2 years, $2.290457M AAV) and D Philip Broberg (2 years, $4.580917M AAV) sign offer sheets with the Blues (not matched)
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Captain Controversy
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Yeah, I'm trading ceci and ltir Kane or I'm trading nurse to cover these players.
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Yeah, it'd be like trading Broberg for a 2nd round pick which I do think EDM wins on. Broberg has not shown nearly enough to warrant this type of a contract, it should be a no-brainer from what I've seen of him to not match his.
Holloway should be matched for sure though
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He is signing at a time and way that hurts the team, nobody in the organization is going to say "good job". Those two are as good as gone, they didn't want to be here which is fine but I am done hoping for anything other than the compensation out of them.
The team had all offseason to sign him. It's not his fault they blew all their cap space on useless players.
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lol who is taking Ceci let alone Nurse at full hit without money coming back
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Broberg is a tough one at his age. For a couple of years now, he’s shown all the things you want to see from a Top 4 dman and he grades very well. Except for one, and it’s a big one. His biggest problem has been, he needed more confidence in himself.
Unfortunately that can be a brutal thing for a Dman in the NHL. He suffers from the age old, “too scared to make a mistake, and plays like it” syndrome, and we’re all taught as Dmen, if you’re scared to make a mistake, you’ve probably already made one, and you’ll certainly make one again.
Sometimes that confidence comes with experience and maturity, and sometimes it finally comes, when a player figures he has nothing more to lose. That’s why we see these random 26-27 year olds finally make it.
Then sometimes a player just never gets over that mental part of things.
We’ll have to see what comes of Broberg long-term now, but he sure played with that confidence in these recent playoffs. You just hope that wasn’t the adrenaline of the moment.
That would be my concern. He gets to St Louis and thinks he has to impress everyone so much, he goes back into that shell of being too scared to make a mistake.
Whatever the case, the Blues must really think Broberg has turned that corner, and I’m trusting Armstrong’s evaluation on this one. Its a little risky, but it’s only 2 years and a 2nd and 3rd Round pick..
It’s well worth the gamble for 6-8 years of a Top 4 Dman.
What would suck for the Oilers is… if he has taken that step and they don’t match. That 2nd won’t matter much if he’s having a great career in St Louis.
With Nurse already on the books (with a disaster of a contract) and Bouchard being as bad as he was early in the season, to being great the 2nd half and in the playoffs, they already have two Dmen, who aren’t exactly the stable types, who will be on the books for over $13 million. Add another $4.5 million on someone who was literally scratched before a small streak of great games… it’s scary matching the offer-sheet for Broberg. Come trade deadline if Bouchard, Broberg and Nurse aren’t playing well, that’s gonna be $17 million wrapped up in inconsistent play.
Best case, they have someone who’s willing to take Nurse right now, and he’s willing to go wherever that is. It would make their lives so much easier. So don’t be surprised if they’re not looking into that today. Trying to broker Nurse out of town. I guess they can pay the piper to get rid of Ceci or Kulak too. Whatever the case, it’s gonna cost them to keep Broberg now.
All that said, they have to make a professional and not an emotional decision.. They better be certain Broberg took that step and wasn’t playing on adrenaline, or they have to let him walk.
As for Holloway, he’s a forward. Much easier to replace in a quicker time frame.. Think if they match Broberg, without having a deal to send Nurse packing, they will NOT match Holloway.
One thing’s for certain. The Blues won’t be the most popular visitors in Edmonton anytime soon I’ve never heard of anything between Jeff Jackson and Armstrong but what a shot across the bow for Bowman and Jackson from the least expected place.
Unfortunately that can be a brutal thing for a Dman in the NHL. He suffers from the age old, “too scared to make a mistake, and plays like it” syndrome, and we’re all taught as Dmen, if you’re scared to make a mistake, you’ve probably already made one, and you’ll certainly make one again.
Sometimes that confidence comes with experience and maturity, and sometimes it finally comes, when a player figures he has nothing more to lose. That’s why we see these random 26-27 year olds finally make it.
Then sometimes a player just never gets over that mental part of things.
We’ll have to see what comes of Broberg long-term now, but he sure played with that confidence in these recent playoffs. You just hope that wasn’t the adrenaline of the moment.
That would be my concern. He gets to St Louis and thinks he has to impress everyone so much, he goes back into that shell of being too scared to make a mistake.
Whatever the case, the Blues must really think Broberg has turned that corner, and I’m trusting Armstrong’s evaluation on this one. Its a little risky, but it’s only 2 years and a 2nd and 3rd Round pick..
It’s well worth the gamble for 6-8 years of a Top 4 Dman.
What would suck for the Oilers is… if he has taken that step and they don’t match. That 2nd won’t matter much if he’s having a great career in St Louis.
With Nurse already on the books (with a disaster of a contract) and Bouchard being as bad as he was early in the season, to being great the 2nd half and in the playoffs, they already have two Dmen, who aren’t exactly the stable types, who will be on the books for over $13 million. Add another $4.5 million on someone who was literally scratched before a small streak of great games… it’s scary matching the offer-sheet for Broberg. Come trade deadline if Bouchard, Broberg and Nurse aren’t playing well, that’s gonna be $17 million wrapped up in inconsistent play.
Best case, they have someone who’s willing to take Nurse right now, and he’s willing to go wherever that is. It would make their lives so much easier. So don’t be surprised if they’re not looking into that today. Trying to broker Nurse out of town. I guess they can pay the piper to get rid of Ceci or Kulak too. Whatever the case, it’s gonna cost them to keep Broberg now.
All that said, they have to make a professional and not an emotional decision.. They better be certain Broberg took that step and wasn’t playing on adrenaline, or they have to let him walk.
As for Holloway, he’s a forward. Much easier to replace in a quicker time frame.. Think if they match Broberg, without having a deal to send Nurse packing, they will NOT match Holloway.
One thing’s for certain. The Blues won’t be the most popular visitors in Edmonton anytime soon I’ve never heard of anything between Jeff Jackson and Armstrong but what a shot across the bow for Bowman and Jackson from the least expected place.
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If anyone thinks a better chance at a non-guaranteed Cup is worth more than guaranteed money, you're thinking way too much with your fan heart. Whatever extra money they get from St.Louis will make their wives and kids much happier when these guys are 57 and long forgotten by every fan base, than telling them they had the chance to play with McDavid, or even won the Cup in Edmonton.
Play cheap today, maybe click with McDavid, maybe even win, and then we or someone else will happily give you more money down the line. That's a lot of if's in there when someone else is already offering me much more than I should realistically be making based on my previous on-ice production.
Play cheap today, maybe click with McDavid, maybe even win, and then we or someone else will happily give you more money down the line. That's a lot of if's in there when someone else is already offering me much more than I should realistically be making based on my previous on-ice production.
ManofSteel55
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Anyone who understands how money works and/or hasn't always had a surplus of it, knows that it was a no-brainer for Broberg. I don't understand anyone who doesn't think that Broberg taking the 9.2 over 2 years is even something he should have been considering when we can assume the Oilers offered him yet another 1 year, 1.5-ishM deal. 9.2M is enough to purchase a home outright, and invest conservatively to make life pretty comfortable in the future, regardless of what else happens in his career. Not "retire in 2 years" comfortable of course, but comfortable enough that he wouldn't be nearly as reliant on finding a 2nd career that pays well after his hockey career is over. It wouldn't make sense to leave 7M on the table.
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And your next deal is based on the aav of this deal as well (or you are a UFA because they didn't make a qualifying offer).
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Wow if you have such a good eye for hockey players what are you doing living on the Oilers threads?
ManofSteel55
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Are there any rookie GM's out there that we can fleece?
Keep in mind, Nurse has a full NTC. He is only going somewhere if he wants to, and being on a contender - why would he want to?
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This is the biggest hockey news in the last month and a half, where else should I be?
But hell it's hard to avoid when half the threads on these forums are about the Oilers
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I think Holloway is probably better than those 2 but point taken.
If I'm the Blues I'd be spreading out the talent through the top 9
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Saad just scored 25 goals and I'd put Texier over Holloway as well.
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No that's not accurate. An offer sheet has to be signed by the player for it to be formally submitted to the league. Maybe teams do extend offer sheets every summer to players but if the player doesn't sign it then it means nothing. Both Broberg and Holloway signed the OS's this time so an announcement was made.
ManofSteel55
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I wonder if the Blues even really want Holloway, or if it is part of gamesmanship to get Broberg? If they didn't make the OS to Holloway, and we could get him for around 1.2 - 1.5 like we were expecting, it would be easier to match the OS on Broberg, but having that extra 1M going to Holloway, if we match, makes it harder to match the Broberg OS. I wonder if Armstrong isn't trying to outsmart Bowman here, and is using Holloway as pawn to increase the odds of the Broberg deal not being matched.
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they weren't trying to "tank", they signed FA's every summer in order to try and get better...problem was, they were bad players (Eager, Barker, Belanger) or past their prime (Smyth, Ference, Nikitin)...management sucked
Justin Schultz was supposed to the saviour on defense, that's how bad it was
if you think Oilers fans wanted four #1's, you're sadly mistaken...we wanted a good team
agreed
these are perceived "character" issues, and people grow up and deserve 2nd chances
lately they've been a lot better (see: 2015 draft) Skinner, Vinny Desharnais and Ryan McLeod (both now gone) are all 2nd rounders and deeper...not sure how that makes them unlikable
meh, I think it's more about bitterness and jealousy about lottery balls from 9 years ago....Buffalo and Columbus have been incompetent for much longer and they don't get the hate
heck, NJ has two #1 overalls on their team, and four top 4 drafted players that they were "rewarded" with for being bad yet no one cares about them (drafted in the top 10 seven times since 2015)
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I know you hate the Oil I saw you in the playoff thread, saying things like the Oilers have useless players is just petty bro.
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