Confirmed Signing with Link: [STL] F Dylan Holloway (2 years, $2.290457M AAV) and D Philip Broberg (2 years, $4.580917M AAV) sign offer sheets with the Blues (not matched)

[Soundwave]

and if Kane simply says no to going to the team you need him to go to at the deadline? lol

You have 16 different teams to negotiate with minimum, his wife is an American model too, I don't think she will be too choked up about going to just about any US market. For Americans, US will always be home and Canada as much as they like will always be a secondary choice. Again his NMC runs out at the trade deadline this season, and that's by design not coincidence.

 

[Three On Zero]

and if Kane simply says no to going to the team you need him to go to at the deadline? lol also I hope you realize that there is an added built in cost to any potential deal you would make if it included taking on Kane. Like teams aren't going to just do you a solid for fun. It doesn't really work that way.

Barrie also had more value than Kane, he was a one dimensional defenceman but he still had some value on the PP. Kane is a fast declining power forward who doesn’t fight and doesn’t stick up for the top players.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

We're going to make a deal at the deadline that will require big salary going out anyway, might as well have Kane be the salary dump in the process, this is what happened with the Ekholm deal, Nashville had to take Barrie back to make the deal work, in return for that they got the futures. We're trading the 1st at the deadline more than likely, but a team is going to have to take salary back in the process of that.

If you're a retooling/rebuilding team you don't care about eating salary for a year, the futures are what you're looking to work with down the line when you're hoping to be good again.

Adding Kane at the TDL will cost more than without. That part is obvious. So whatever player you are seeking, the price will be that the cost to dump Kane.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

You have 16 different teams to negotiate with minimum, his wife is an American model too, I don't think she will be too choked up about going to just about any US market. Again his NMC runs out at the trade deadline this season, and that's by design not coincidence.

Hmm stay on a team going for a cup....or accept a trade to a bottom feeding team? He has half the league he can say no to and can make that a bunch of shit teams...one of which might be the team you need to send him to and again...teams aren't going to take him for free. You will pay extra to get rid of him. No way around that.

 

[Soundwave]

Barrie also had more value than Kane, he was a one dimensional defenceman but he still had some value on the PP. Kane is a fast declining power forward who doesn’t fight and doesn’t stick up for the top players.

Kane still scored a respectable 24 goals last year though while being hurt most of the season, if he was healthy that would probably be more like 30 goals. Most guys in the league don't want to fight Kane either because he'd tune their ass and they know it.

Adding Kane at the TDL will cost more than without. That part is obvious. So whatever player you are seeking, the price will be that the cost to dump Kane.

Cost of doing business when you are a top 3 team in the league. Is what it is. Can't keep everyone.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Of the teams not on his NTC, how many would even want him? Since he has an extra year, it's not that simple.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Kane still scored a respectable 24 goals last year though while being hurt most of the season, if he was healthy that would probably be more like 30 goals. Most guys in the league don't want to fight Kane either because he'd tune their ass and they know it.

Kane is injured and on the downslope of his career. He would be coming off surgery mid-season . I doubt anyone would take him without a massive sweetener. Furthermore, he has a NMC / modified NMC which will make it even more challenging to dump. Plus all the other baggage he carries.

Thinking you can easily dump Kane is a fools errand. It will cost you significantly.

 

[Three On Zero]

Cost of doing business when you are a top 3 team in the league. Is what it is. Can't keep everyone.

Edmontons wasn’t a top 3 team in the league though

 

[Soundwave]

Of the teams not on his NTC, how many would even want him? Since he has an extra year, it's not that simple.

They'll want the 1st/2nd/futures that we put into a package, I swear people develop amnesia here when it comes to trade deadlines.

Teams that are rebuilding know they have to take back salary, that's not what they give a shit about.

They want the futures, having some short term salary on their books when they're like 15 million below the cap doesn't matter.

Edmontons wasn’t a top 3 team in the league though

Hate to break it to you, but they are because of last season and were knocking on that door before then anyway. They were the no.1 team in the league under Knoblaugh last year and made a Cup Final and will be a Cup favorite going into the season and they earned that. On top of that they have the best player in the world, which also nets them bonus points (same as NFL, MLB, NBA, etc.) as a top franchise.

Really even top 3 is probably not even correct, they are top 2 in the league now.

 

[Three On Zero]

They'll want the 1st/2nd/futures that we put into a package, I swear people develop amnesia here when it comes to trade deadlines.

Teams that are rebuilding know they have to take back salary, that's not what they give a shit about.

They want the futures, having some short term salary on their books when they're like 15 million below the cap doesn't matter.



Hate to break it to you, but they are because of last season and were knocking on that door before then anyway. They were the no.1 team in the league under Knoblaugh last year and made a Cup Final and will be a Cup favorite going into the season and they earned that. On top of that they have the best player in the world, which also nets them bonus points (same as NFL, MLB, NBA, etc.) as a top franchise.

They were still the 9th placed team

 

[bleedblue1223]

They'll want the 1st/2nd/futures that we put into a package, I swear people develop amnesia here when it comes to trade deadlines.

Teams that are rebuilding know they have to take back salary, that's not what they give a shit about.

They want the futures, having some short term salary on their books when they're like 15 million below the cap doesn't matter.

If Edmonton wants a situation that means they have to give up assets at the deadline, then that is certainly a decision to make. It's why Kane to LTIR isn't a magical solution if it's not for the entire season.

 

[belair]

Edmontons wasn’t a top 3 team in the league though

The salt. You Canuck fans brighten my day.

 

[Soundwave]

If Edmonton wants a situation that means they have to give up assets at the deadline, then that is certainly a decision to make. It's why Kane to LTIR isn't a magical solution if it's not for the entire season.

Kane was always going to be traded, I guess it doesn't really matter that much if its at deadline or next summer.

The contract was essentially designed to allow that and lines up with Draisaitl's extension.

 

[DavidpauseReinbacher]

Maybe retain on kulak and Ceci and send kane to ltir

 

[Three On Zero]

The salt. You Canuck fans brighten my day.

How can you be salty over facts?

 

[Soundwave]

They were still the 9th placed team

No.1 record under the current coach, who last I checked is back behind the bench. So is Coffey.

And they made the Final, which counts for more than a regular season record, I'm pretty sure the 7 teams ahead of them that didn't make the Final would bend over backwards and kiss their own rear end to have been in.

Then add in they have the face of the league, best player in the league, best player possibly since Mario Lemieux, well that just basically seals it.

On top of that even without Broberg and Holloway (I think they keep Holloway but even if not) they got better than the team that was just in game 7 of the Cup Final whereas most other top teams didn't do a whole lot that was notable.

 

[belair]

How can you be salty over facts?

Keep playing mental math. I'll watch my team stomp yours in the playoffs again next year. I'm sure Desharnais will do fine on your top pair.

 

[Three On Zero]

No.1 record under the current coach, who last I checked is back behind the bench. So is Coffey.

And they made the Final, which counts for more than a regular season record, I'm pretty sure the 7 teams ahead of them that didn't make the Final would bend over backwards and kiss their own rear end to have been in.

Then add in they have the face of the league, best player in the league, best player possibly since Mario Lemieux, well that just basically seals it.

On top of that even without Broberg and Holloway (I think they keep Holloway but even if not) they got better than the team that was just in game 7 of the Cup Final whereas most other top teams didn't do a whole lot that was notable.

Keep playing mental math. I'll watch my team stomp yours in the playoffs again next year. I'm sure Desharnais will do fine on your top pair.

Sure thing

 

[Soundwave]

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I'm saying going into next year, most people will have the Oilers as a top 3 team, and that's actually being modest, they will be the no.1 Cup favorite for a lot of people.

Which is entirely reasonable, they have the best regular season under their current coach, they have a better version of the team that just went to game 7 of a Cup Final, they have the best player in the world.

When you have a season like the Oilers had last year you get to enjoy the perks. You can whine and cry about it, doesn't change anything. That's going to be the overwhelming perception of the team.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

I'm saying going into next year, most people will have the Oilers as a top 3 team, and that's actually being modest, they will be the no.1 Cup favorite for a lot of people.

Which is entirely reasonable, they have the best regular season under their current coach, they have a better version of the team that just went to game 7 of a Cup Final, they have the best player in the world.

When you have a season like the Oilers had last year you get to enjoy the perks. You can whine and cry about it, doesn't change anything. That's going to be the overwhelming perception of the team.

What perks? lol

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I'm saying going into next year, most people will have the Oilers as a top 3 team, and that's actually being modest, they will be the no.1 Cup favorite for a lot of people.

Which is entirely reasonable, they have the best regular season under their current coach, they have a better version of the team that just went to game 7 of a Cup Final, they have the best player in the world.

When you have a season like the Oilers had last year you get to enjoy the perks. You can whine and cry about it, doesn't change anything. That's going to be the overwhelming perception of the team.

Are you of the impression that you start this season with a 10 point head start on everyone or something because of last year? Everyone starting back at 0 there my guy.

 

[Three On Zero]

I'm saying going into next year, most people will have the Oilers as a top 3 team, and that's actually being modest, they will be the no.1 Cup favorite for a lot of people.

Which is entirely reasonable, they have the best regular season under their current coach, they have a better version of the team that just went to game 7 of a Cup Final, they have the best player in the world.

When you have a season like the Oilers had last year you get to enjoy the perks. You can whine and cry about it, doesn't change anything. That's going to be the overwhelming perception of the team.

A little optimism is always a good thing.
They were just as close to being out in the 2nd round. They didn’t really improve that much and they are in the verge of losing young depth. I will say they probably take the Pacific this year though

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I'm saying going into next year, most people will have the Oilers as a top 3 team, and that's actually being modest, they will be the no.1 Cup favorite for a lot of people.

Which is entirely reasonable, they have the best regular season under their current coach, they have a better version of the team that just went to game 7 of a Cup Final, they have the best player in the world.

When you have a season like the Oilers had last year you get to enjoy the perks. You can whine and cry about it, doesn't change anything. That's going to be the overwhelming perception of the team.

Modest?
It’s probably just me but I’d have the team who actually won the Cup last year and made the SCF the year before that and came within a game of sweeping the Oilers as a pretty big favourite.
A lot of things went right for the Oilers last year and as we’ve seen in the past many teams get to the Finals one year and that’s their high water mark. These offer sheets will also hurt the Oilers somewhat imo no matter what option they choose and I think most Oiler fans are underestimating the cap difficulties they face.
I would agree though that on paper they are a top 5 team but only time will tell if that translates to success in the playoffs. Again, as we’ve seen in other years with other top teams hockey is unpredictable.

 

[Three On Zero]

Modest?
It’s probably just me but I’d have the team who actually won the Cup last year and made the SCF the year before that and came within a game of sweeping the Oilers as a pretty big favourite.
A lot of things went right for the Oilers last year and as we’ve seen in the past many teams get to the Finals one year and that’s their high water mark. These offer sheets will also hurt the Oilers somewhat imo no matter what option they choose and I think most Oiler fans are underestimating the cap difficulties they face.
I would agree though that on paper they are a top 5 team but only time will tell if that translates to success in the playoffs. Again, as we’ve seen in other years with other top teams hockey is unpredictable.

Edmonton is a team built that they will either do well or they will flame out early. I don’t think anyone would bat an eye either way. They need another solid year to get into the contender status

 

[WhataKnight]

Bro mayve they shoukd have signed him earlier to 1.8 instead of signing corey perry and skinner and whom ever else. They were going to force him to a sh3et contract and he chose a different route stop putting the blame on him put the blame on mismanagement. Would ypu take a pay xut for your job to make a bunch of money
Nope

I’m not certain if you understand where I’m coming from here, but I’m not blaming him; this is absolutely on management. We’re in agreement there.

The problem isn’t what the players did or wanted; it’s how mgmt should have prioritized contract maintenance and/or bringing these guys along in a way that didn’t have them rushing the exit rather than signing the vet and flashy winger you mentioned.