Confirmed Signing with Link: [STL] F Dylan Holloway (2 years, $2.290457M AAV) and D Philip Broberg (2 years, $4.580917M AAV) sign offer sheets with the Blues (not matched)

[bleedblue1223]

Thanks for the replies.. this sucks for the oilers but a dream for Broberg. He gets paid and has a fair chance at top 4 minutes on his preferred side.

And a good shot at PP time too.

 

[BKarchitect]

Leddy-Parayko
Broberg-Faulk
Sutter-Kessel

Is the expected by a large sum of the fanbase

Hopefully Bannister doesn’t pull a DeBoer and send Suter out there for 20+ minutes a night because “veteran”.

 

[Czechboy]

And a good shot at PP time too.

He was never seeing that in Edmonton.

 

[McJedi]

A day after thought.

If I'm a young player looking for an agent, I'm going to figure out who reps Broberg... and who reps Holloway.

And I'm going to speak with each of them about potentially repping me.

Some really good work by both agents here. Word didn't get out, value was maxed out+ and now I'm the talk of the NHL.

What do these guys pays agents for? A lot of this has to be it.

I hope these offer sheets change the NHL. It's certainly made middle August more fun.

 

[Robtom18]

Thanks for the replies.. this sucks for the oilers but a dream for Broberg. He gets paid and has a fair chance at top 4 minutes on his preferred side.

Yeah we only play lh on left side and rh on right side.

He was never seeing that in Edmonton.

Yeah krug was our pp guy so hw is goinf to get prob 2pp time and he will see.pk as well. Our coaxh will use him in every aspect

 

[Robtom18]

Hopefully Bannister doesn’t pull a DeBoer and send Suter out there for 20+ minutes a night because “veteran”.

He wont honestly they may play tucker and suter just be a 7 dman. Bannister was.former ahl.coach he has no issue playing the kids played dean and bolduc for a stretch

 

[Majorityof1]

The Blues coaching change mid-year also has to be taken into consideration as well here. Leddy's role diminished after that and they were searching for more offensive push from their top pair. Leddy and Suter could be interchangeable as well at 2LD/3LD.

No, Leddy's role did not diminish. I don't have time to add up and figure his ATOI under both. But it was fairly similar. He only played under 20 minutes in 6 of 29 games under Berube and 5 of 53 under Bannister. He routinely played 24+ minutes under Bannister

They did shift pairings up at times, not for more offense, but to balance the defensive loads. When Leddy and Parayko are together, nobody else can play D. When they dud split them, they would double shift Leddy so he got by far the most TOI of any LD. He is our 1LD, no question. We may put Broberg or someone with Parayko, but Leddy will get more ice time.

 

[Drew Doubty]

Oilers got better for the regular season, but I can't help but think they got worse for the playoffs.

McLeod, Foegele, Holloway were players for them in the playoffs. Did a heck of a good job with the bottom six role of forechecking, being big and fast. Disrupting passing lanes, screwing up breakouts for the other team, winning puck battles with size and tenacity. The Oilers bottom six was pretty darn impressive for their playoff run. Great on the PK. great on the forecheck, great on the energy.

Skinner just won't do that in the playoffs. Henrique is going to be 35 next playoffs. I don't see Arvidsson being that guy either. Kane... for how much I hate him..,, When he's on... he's a heck of a hard guy to play against too and he may not be available to this club either.

It's so dumb because they could have signed Broberg to something like 2 x 2.5 and Holloway 2 x 1.75 before July 1 and then just not signed Skinner and be in a great spot.

Honestly I think their team is worse than last year if they lose both, and even if they keep one, I don't see how they get compliant when Kane comes back.

 

[PocketNines]

Not a Blues fan, but follow pretty closely and hopefully more objective; but a Blues follower should have more "insider" knowledge from local media and sources.

The right side of their D is fairly set with the only real possibility of change (non-injury or trade) is that either Broberg or Suter loses a top 4 job and plays their offhand by beating out Kessel for that #3 RD slot.

Trends:

The last year and a half they've run Nick Leddy-Colton Parayko as top pair but that changed in the second half of last season as they tried to get Scott Perunovich into the mix. It didn't go well and the feeling is that Perunovich isn't top 4 material and at best is a 3rd pair guy with PP specialist role. Leddy even played a good chunk of the last part of the year on 3rd pair with Kessel.

With Torey Krug being on LTIR then there is a hole next to Justin Faulk as well.

The Blues coaching change mid-year also has to be taken into consideration as well here. Leddy's role diminished after that and they were searching for more offensive push from their top pair. Leddy and Suter could be interchangeable as well at 2LD/3LD.

P.O. Joseph was also brought in this off-season and he had a second half surge playing pretty well alongside Kris Letang in Pittsburgh for the last 30 games; but it's anyone's guess where he slots in on the Blues. While they got him cheap I do think they won him over other teams because they had just acquired his brother 3 hours earlier on the same day.

Joseph and Broberg are fairly similiar in their two-way playing styles, but Broberg is bigger and has played his off-hand (in the playoffs) in the top 4; albeit for a small sample size.

So the three guys in discussion (Broberg, Joseph, and Perunovich) essentially have a training camp/early season battle to determine their roles and the #1 spot at Left D is there for the taking.

They are investing much more in Broberg (assets, term, and AAV) than the others so that could be a sign that they expect him to be in the top 4 depending on where he has the best chemistry (Parayko or Faulk). I'm downplaying Perunovich here as his two-way game just hasn't clicked and his offensive contribution hasn't been enough to offset that; however there is a chance that he steps up.

The Power Play QB role is also not set in stone for the Blues. Parayko settled in there for a good while, but Faulk is also pretty capable there, and they tried Perunovich there also; but it's up in the air to find a long-term fit.

Whoever doesn't land a top 4 role could be in rotation with Suter and Kessel for bottom pair ice time, 7th defender, press box, or tradebait/waivers.

LEFT	RIGHT
Philip Broberg (23) $4.58 x 2 - RFA P.O. Joseph (25) $.95 x 1 - RFA Scott Perunovich (25) $1.15 x 1 - RFA	Colton Parayko (31) $6.5 x 3 - NTC
Nick Leddy (33) $4.0 x 2 - NTC	Justin Faulk (32) $6.5 x 3 - NTC
Ryan Suter (39) $0.775 x 1 ~ $2.225 Bonus	Matthew Kessel (24) $0.8 x 2 - RFA
LTIR: Torey Krug (33) $6.5 x 3 - NTC
AHL Call-up: Tyler Tucker (24) $0.8 x 1 - RFA

This is admirable understanding for a non Blues fan but Leddy and Suter are not equals and couldn't be interchanged. Leddy is going to be on one of the top two pairs if he's healthy. Leddy is still fast and Suter is the opposite.

Kessel and Faulk are in direct competition now. It's because Faulk had such a dropoff year and is aging. Could be injuries that he's now over or it could be the beginning of the end. He was good two seasons ago so it's a coin flip. Kessel meanwhile is 6'3" very mobile and skates with strong ice vision. He might be in the middle of overachieving and locking up a top 4 role this upcoming season. Regardless, Kessel is soon if not this season going to be a mainstay top 4 defenseman with the Blues even if Faulk plays well IMO. This season it's a little jumbled but the writing is on the wall what's ahead for those two players in that spot.

Another thing to know about the Blues D is we think we are getting a Jonas Brodin caliber contributor in Lindstein on the NHL roster around this time next year. Had a very IQ impressive D+1 year and turned a lot of heads this summer from his progress. Will need adjustment of course as he enters but Brodin is a reasonable representation of what we think is coming, so it affects what they are thinking about as this year unfolds on that left side. I know it's risky to count on prospects but Lindstein oozes a safe feeling because his decisionmaking is so crisp to go along with the physical toolset.

 

[EXTRAS]

How long does edmonton have to match or take the picks?

 

[Mighty Makar]

How long does edmonton have to match or take the picks?

7 days.

 

[McShogun99]

It's so dumb because they could have signed Broberg to something like 2 x 2.5 and Holloway 2 x 1.75 before July 1 and then just not signed Skinner and be in a great spot.

Honestly I think their team is worse than last year if they lose both, and even if they keep one, I don't see how they get compliant when Kane comes back.

Losing Holloway and Broberg won't hurt the team in the short term but the entire point of bringing along young players is to have cheap contracts during their early years and the Broberg deal essentially kills that. I would match both because I think Broberg is going to become a very good top 4 Dman and Holloway a decent middle six winger. Oilers management have can only blame themselves for lettign both players get to this point.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Will be a interesting 7 days

 

[PocketNines]

LOL I just read the Edmonton writer argue that Kane should be held out all season with a sports hernia surgery repair and that is the "trump card" the Oilers can play. Imagine telling someone with a straight face hernia surgery is an all year recovery

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Neither player is worth the contract they were offered, that’s kind of the point of another sheet.

No it isn't.

It's a tool to protect young players so they get fair value offers.

If you're knowingly and dumbly overpaying the player like the Blues and Hurricanes have done, you are sabotaging the players' value and, more importantly, your own team.

 

[theVladiator]

What I'd do as the Oilers:
1. Match both guys.
2. Trade Kulak before the season starts
3. Trade Holloway when Kane comes back (pump up his value by playing him top 2 lines until then).

 

[57special]

LOL I just read the Edmonton writer argue that Kane should be held out all season with a sports hernia surgery repair and that is the "trump card" the Oilers can play. Imagine telling someone with a straight face hernia surgery is an all year recover.

Actually, sports hernia injuries can be really tough to recover from, for a hockey player. Those/ groin injuries are kryptonite for a skating stride. I know of at least one NHL'er who never really made it back from his.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Lose-lose for Oilers. They have to pay Broberg for middle pair amount or let him walk for a 2nd. He is worth a lot more than a 2nd round pick.

 

[Mighty Makar]

What I'd do as the Oilers:
1. Match both guys.
2. Trade Kulak before the season starts
3. Trade Holloway when Kane comes back (pump up his value by playing him top 2 lines until then).

Holloway can’t be traded for a year. The Oilers should, somehow, get rid of Kulak and Kane.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Losing Holloway and Broberg won't hurt the team in the short term but the entire point of bringing along young players is to have cheap contracts during their early years and the Broberg deal essentially kills that. I would match both because I think Broberg is going to become a very good top 4 Dman and Holloway a decent middle six winger. Oilers management have can only blame themselves for lettign both players get to this point.

How do they do so and retain Bouchard and Draisaitl next year?

As nice as it sounds saying trade Ceci, kulak and Kane it’s been extremely difficult for teams to move cap and given Kane’s past and how much of a stranglehold the Oilers are in it’s probably borderline impossible without giving up a good chunk of the future.

 

[Three On Zero]

No it isn't.

It's a tool to protect young players so they get fair value offers.

If you're knowingly and dumbly overpaying the player like the Blues and Hurricanes have done, you are sabotaging the players' value and, more importantly, your own team.

No you aren’t.

You’re using available cap space that you have available to potentially poach players from another team that’s is struggling in contract negotiations. St Louis isn’t going to turn into some juggernaut over the next two seasons. It’s a smart and shrewd use of cap space

Broberg fails in Edmonton, it’s a mess with that contract

Broberg fails in St Louis, it’s off the books before they need to worry about a cap crunch.

St Louis is essentially assuming 0 risk by throwing unused cap at these players

What I'd do as the Oilers:
1. Match both guys.
2. Trade Kulak before the season starts
3. Trade Holloway when Kane comes back (pump up his value by playing him top 2 lines until then).

If Edmonton matches, they can not trade either player this season

 

[Djp]

How long does edmonton have to match or take the picks?

7 days..7×24=168 hrs from posting the OS

They cant trade them for 1 calendar yr from the day they match

 

[PocketNines]

No it isn't.

It's a tool to protect young players so they get fair value offers.

If you're knowingly and dumbly overpaying the player like the Blues and Hurricanes have done, you are sabotaging the players' value and, more importantly, your own team.

I heard a lot of these arguments in the early 90s when the St. Louis Blues were singlehandedly attacking the collusion system and being punished by the league for being the ones to take the sacrifice for all the fans around the league to change free agency for the better, which is what happened. The Devils got three free Cups out of it

 

[Bond]

I heard a lot of these arguments in the early 90s when the St. Louis Blues were singlehandedly attacking the collusion system and being punished by the league for being the ones to take the sacrifice for all the fans around the league to change free agency for the better, which is what happened. The Devils got three free Cups out of it

How so?

 

[McShogun99]

How do they do so and retain Bouchard and Draisaitl next year?

As nice as it sounds saying trade Ceci, kulak and Kane it’s been extremely difficult for teams to move cap and given Kane’s past and how much of a stranglehold the Oilers are in it’s probably borderline impossible without giving up a good chunk of the future.

They can make it work by dealing Ceci. Next summer you can trade Kulak, maybe Kane or even Broberg/Holloway. I'd rather match the deals, keep both players for the year and then gamble that their trade value will be worth more then a 2nd/3rd next off season if they need to make the cap work.