Confirmed Signing with Link: [STL] F Dylan Holloway (2 years, $2.290457M AAV) and D Philip Broberg (2 years, $4.580917M AAV) sign offer sheets with the Blues (not matched)

[Jozay]

I'd never sign it though given Edmonton is probably the logical betting favorite to win the cup next season. I'd gladly take half that to stay

lol yeah bro we believe you

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Honestly, I'm not sure if keeping Broberg at 4.5M is worth paying any assets for. He hasn't shown to be worth even half of that contract. A guy would need to be really confident that he is going to excel in a 2nd pair role starting this season for 4.5M, and while Broberg has shown the tools to be a top 4 guy, he hasn't shown the consistency or hockey IQ to be that yet. I expect the Oilers will let Broberg walk at that cap hit.

Any good UFA defensemen left that we could sign for 1M? It looks like a roster spot has opened up for Troy Stecher, so we could use a new #7, ha ha ha.

I sort of expect Edmonton to take the 2nd on Broberg. They’ll still need to figure out the cap situation with Holloway at that cap. I think Edmonton still has seven D without Broberg.

 

[Donner]

If the rumours were true, Oilers were trying to trade Broberg last year but couldnt get a 2nd for him. Since his good brief playoff stretch the value likely has increased to a 2nd though

 

[Eegs]

Wonder if Habs caproom come in handy here?

Seth Jarvis

Edit: I know Carolina wouldn't let this happen but a guy can dream...

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Man, the pressure to live up to that contract Broberg signed would be “Nurse-esque” in Edmonton so I can’t see how they match that

The pressure won’t be nearly as intense in sleepy St. Louis
Holloway you keep..he’s overpaid but that’s 3rd line money

 

[jfhabs]

I would match Holloway but not Broberg if I'm the Oilers.
They'll be good enough to be in the playoffs and can get a rental who will contribute more without messing their cap situation going forward.

They might also just give away a guy like Kane and re-sign both. Another great option for them. With the additions of Skinner and Arvidsson, they wouldn't even feel it.

 

[tfwnogf]

at least there's still nurse and ceci right? hehe...heh...

 

[ManofSteel55]

People are again too caught up on the AAV aspect of a contract and not focusing on the total contract.

Broberg's total contract is $9.2 million. I'm no Broberg truther, but that's not a terrible bet. The Blues have cap space for the foreseeable future...why do they care if that $9.2 million is over 2 years or 4 years? If Broberg got $2.3 x 4 - the same total contract, people would think it looks like a pretty good deal. It's all the same if you are St. Louis. If Broberg does well, you'll just extend that AAV. If he sucks - the actual benefit of shorter term and higher AAV, is you get the contract off your books quicker.

The only reason the structure matters is because the Blues are trying to put Edmonton in a bind so they can obtain an asset they don't have and make what they feel like is a good bet.

Because after 2 years they have to give him a qualifying offer that is more than the 4.6M. Sure, its a problem for 3 years from now, but is he worth it?

 

[voxel]

Ok Oilers fans.

Look what you will do. You match both OS because the compensation picks are bad. And Habs will help you out with your cap problems.

Then you trade us Ceci and Holloway for Barron, so you can fit Broberg's salary.

Deal?

Can't trade Holloway for a year after OS match.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I sort of expect Edmonton to take the 2nd on Broberg. They’ll still need to figure out the cap situation with Holloway at that cap. I think Edmonton still has seven D without Broberg.

We do have 7 NHL defensemen without Broberg, but that includes Josh Brown as one of your "NHL defensemen". I think most were hoping we could slide him through waivers to the AHL for the most part, ha ha.

 

[Bgav]

Man, the pressure to live up to that contract Broberg signed would be “Nurse-esque” in Edmonton so I can’t see how they match that

The pressure won’t be nearly as intense in sleepy St. Louis
Holloway you keep..he’s overpaid but that’s 3rd line money

2X4.8 Isnt even close to nurse esque lmao

 

[LOFIN]

The guy who has ran himself out of 3 organizations already for antics and attitude? A guy who is currently injured, maybe, who knows given how him and the organization are not even close to the same page. A guy with a full no movement clause. A 33 year old with a 5+M cap hit who has been trending down for 3 years now.


If he was easy to trade, he'd already have been long gone.

And also a thing to add, this applies to Ceci (or whoever) they would also want to trade to create capspace: other teams know the Oilers are desperate now.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I would match Holloway but not Broberg if I'm the Oilers.
They'll be good enough to be in the playoffs and can get a rental who will contribute more without messing their cap situation going forward.

They might also just give away a guy like Kane and re-sign both. Another great option for them. With the additions of Skinner and Arvidsson, they wouldn't even feel it.

I agree with this. The only way I would consider matching on Broberg, is if we miraculously found a trade to move out Darnell Nurse in the next week. And we all know that isn't happening.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

They offersheet was 1 year at 6M$ iirc.

I wouldn't call it Kotkaniemi-bad. It's only two years.

Kotkaniemi was an NHL roster player when he signed with the Canes.


Broberg spent most of last season in the minors. THe Blues gave him that contract based on not getting decimated in 10 playoff games.

 

[voxel]

Yeah but whatever you're getting with the 2nd + 3rd round pick are going to be older and worse

Meh.

These two are replacement level players. Broberg has always been a great puck mover but his defensive awareness/skill has not improved. He will excel on a team that needs a PP QB and a great outlet pass.

Holloway is Pitlick 2.0 and I really like Pitlick. If we keep him... whatever. He's only overpaid by a $1M. Broberg is a $2M/yr player max. Good for him on signing that sweet deal.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

2X4.8 Isnt even close to nurse esque lmao

Pressure to perform would be
He’s making 2nd pair money now for a guy who barely played in the NHL last year

 

[GKJ]

Instinctually, after only a few hours here, I’d would match Holloway and let Broberg go. You should be able to make another trade to get better, problem is not likely for someone as young.

 

[Jacob582]

Edmonton spent at least $10M in free agency. Doesn't seem smart now.

 

[scarbrow]

Pretty sure Kane has a NMC. He isn't getting traded.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Are blues fans that excited about these players? Besides the fact that it hurts the oilers.

This hurts Edmonton more than it helps St Louis.

 

[Rebels57]

The league needs more of this type of thing.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Instinctually, after only a few hours here, I’d would match Holloway and let Broberg go. You should be able to make another trade to get better, problem is not likely for someone as young.

Yeah. Holloway might only be overpaid 500k compared to a fair deal.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Meh.

These two are replacement level players. Broberg has always been a great puck mover but his defensive awareness/skill has not improved. He will excel on a team that needs a PP QB and a great outlet pass.

Holloway is Pitlick 2.0 and I really like Pitlick. If we keep him... whatever. He's only overpaid by a $1M. Broberg is a $2M/yr player max. Good for him on signing that sweet deal.

Yeah actually in saying that you probably could get a similar or better D to Broberg with a 2nd + 3rd but just feels like Edmonton really needed these two contributing on cheap deals with how tight things are and waited too long to get it done. Maybe it wouldn't be achievable in Edmonton but I feel like Broberg can live up to that deal in the 2nd year, I actually think St. Louis is a really good fit for him

 

[TageGod]

Wow two offer sheets on the same team is wild.

 

[Majorityof1]

For those unfamiliar with the Blues, this is their thinking. We are trying to get back to our 2019 identity. You can see it in our draft picks. We want pesky, possession forwards who play a 2-way game, especially in the bottom 6. We want long, rangy D who can defend and transition, ala Bouwmeester.

We are in a retool, trying to add young players and not add old UFAs. We have cap space and no pressing needs in next 2 years. We are content to develop slowly and not spend big on UFA.

These two players fit those molds. We are gambling they reach another level of their potential. We have the cap, so we can overpay to make it more likely Edmonton passes. Then after 2 years when we are hopefully starting to be competitive, we can renegotiate deals more in line with their value at that point. They will still be RFAs.

I like the deal and hope we get both.