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YP44 said:
I wonder what Schenn will want as a UFA. I would like to re-sign him but as a relatively young RHD I imagine some team will over pay.

My main problem with him is that he hesitates when the puck is on his stick allowing the other team to get in better position. This happens with his passing, and definitely with his shooting. JMFJ had the head fake, Schenn has the pump fake.
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Yeah I'm sure he's gonna get paiiiiid. But it depends on Greene--if he's toast, there's his money. And I'm sure Schenn likes it here--buddies with Doughty, on a contender, not being pegged with mega-expectations...

I agree that his pump fake hesitation is annoying, but if the biggest complaint we have about a defensive d is his shooting, I think we're doing okay. I've noticed SOME hesitation with his passing too but it gets picked off a lot less, he's actually made some saavy puck decisions imo. Pretty poised on the breakout.

I think Greene does the shot thing better because he just pumps wristers through, and does a remarkably good job of it.

...**** I miss Greene, he's really a big monster out there. I hope he's not done but he's been through a lot. But they're very comparable players, even down to being punching bags in fights!
 
Cruel11 said:
Ok the day to day seem fake but ok
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Yeah dunno why they'd hold him from the media, that sucks.

The mystery is killing me. Probably just a groin or something he tried to skate through, but pretty much anything that he played the remainder of the period on is likely to be a nagging injury that won't disappear imo. So that sucks.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Yeah dunno why they'd hold him from the media, that sucks.

The mystery is killing me. Probably just a groin or something he tried to skate through, but pretty much anything that he played the remainder of the period on is likely to be a nagging injury that won't disappear imo. So that sucks.
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I am trying to not get over concerned but the fact he didn't even come out in the 2nd to try and skate on it worries me.

It will be downplayed because all injuries are.
 
The Kings are already in playoff injury description mode.

Just waiting for someone to get the dreaded "body injury".
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Yeah dunno why they'd hold him from the media, that sucks.

The mystery is killing me. Probably just a groin or something he tried to skate through, but pretty much anything that he played the remainder of the period on is likely to be a nagging injury that won't disappear imo. So that sucks.
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Guessing sick, and that if they aren't gonna come out and say it putting a reporter in a room with a sweating coughing dizzy Kopi would give it away pretty quick.
 
If its a serious injury it must have happened during the Caps game, and he tried playing this game but couldn't and left... Which I guess is some what of a good sign that it wont be too long term unless he tweaked it much worse trying to play on it... But even then he left the ice looking fine. I was watching the raw stream last night, where you hear the broadcasters talking and rewinding/cueing clips and adding the arrows and stuff during commercials and they were stumped trying to find it, and sounded like they were digging through the footage pretty good. Likewise I know a few here did the same... And there just wasn't anything.
 
Bandit said:
If he is just sick and they're not just saying so, that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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agreed. If it was just being sick they would announce that. NHL teams are paranoid that if they release injury information opposing players will target the injury. Hard to target the flue.
 
YP44 said:
agreed. If it was just being sick they would announce that. NHL teams are paranoid that if they release injury information opposing players will target the injury. Hard to target the flue.
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You could like poke him in the stomach or something... :D
 
scryan said:
If its a serious injury it must have happened during the Caps game, and he tried playing this game but couldn't and left... Which I guess is some what of a good sign that it wont be too long term unless he tweaked it much worse trying to play on it... But even then he left the ice looking fine. I was watching the raw stream last night, where you hear the broadcasters talking and rewinding/cueing clips and adding the arrows and stuff during commercials and they were stumped trying to find it, and sounded like they were digging through the footage pretty good. Likewise I know a few here did the same... And there just wasn't anything.
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Yeah I mean, I rewatched it with purpose twice and there was literally nothing. Maybe a fall or two but he never even flinched. So...

That being said, wasn't Greene day-to-day at first?

Kings scare me with injuries.
 
YP44 said:
agreed. If it was just being sick they would announce that. NHL teams are paranoid that if they release injury information opposing players will target the injury. Hard to target the flue.
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Unless multiple players are sick, that changes the mentality a bit if you know you're opponents collectively are playing through illness. May try to keep the pace up as much as possible to wear them down.
 
Reclamation Project said:
But that knob on the main board said Muzzin was a passenger.
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This guy is actually taking a shot at Doughty, he's a bigtime hater just like most of the advanced stats guys I follow. Just good visuals. The problem is a lot of those guys have a hard time admitting when EK has issues, like in literally the very next chart where Karlsson is bottom of the entire game in CF%.

I'm watching NHL Live right now and just laughing my ass off at how easy goal scoring looks for everyone else. I mean, the Ducks scored three EASY goals last night off decent slapshots. I'm watching E. Kane score on sloppy wristshots from the high slot, Ghost scoring from wherever he damn well pleases...we make it look soooo difficult.

The dam is going to break soon, and hopefully over more games than just vs. the Bruins.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
The dam is going to break soon, and hopefully over more games than just vs. the Bruins.
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Either Brown is the unluckiest guy ever or there's something causing it.

If you believe it's luck then Brown will be just fine and start producing again at some point when his luck turns around.

Edit: don't like the idea of bad luck... because it imply you have to wait until the luck turns around and that there's nothing to correct or improve on.
 
I wonder if Brown has lost deception on his shot. James Neal talked about it in the tribune. Seems like good scorers have a knack for it.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
I would hope so but Sutter seemed pretty laisse-faire about callups across the country.

Schenn is fine, he is what he is and that is a Greene replacement. As a short-term #4 with Martinez, he's good; as a long term guy carrying a pairing, not so much. I still like that move for the different dimension, I think we were really lacking a guy like that on the backend, loved how he blew up that guy on the zone entry last night and loved him immediately stepping up to scary ass Tom Wilson when he blasted Schenn through Quick.
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In general, I dont like Schenn's overall game. I get what some are saying about getting a guy thats a little more physical into the lineup, buts he is slow, makes panic passes, many times to no one, cant skate a few strides out of corners to elude forechecking, cant win races to lose pucks, etc. He is right handed, and just that alone will put you on depth charts on most teams. He needs to be paired with someone that can cover his mistakes, and help with quickness. I would resign him, but for like Ehrhoff money. Limit myself to 1.5. Which he wont take. This isnt the old NHL anymore. Greener's style of play was great back a few years ago when a lot more interference was allowed. Well, back then, it was just good hockey. An example was Schenn stick parallel to the ice hooking last night after the guy got around him. He was slow, reached out with his stick parallel, and the arm went up. A few years ago, thats a good play. Today, its a penalty.
 
Trolfoli said:
Either Brown is the unluckiest guy ever or there's something causing it.

If you believe it's luck then Brown will be just fine and start producing again at some point when his luck turns around.

Edit: don't like the idea of bad luck... because it imply you have to wait until the luck turns around and that there's nothing to correct or improve on.
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Hint--that's a team shooting percentage, not just Brown, who I'm not sure why you're harping on because he's been near PPG in the last little stretch.

I'm not saying it's 'just' puck luck because there are some fixable things there, most notably defensive coverage (which would lead to a deflated save %, part of PDO), but people here are fooling themselves if they believe they're watching a team that isn't generating shots and chances and that some of them are going to go in. How many goalies make those saves on Clifford AND Looch in the same game repeatedly over time? And that's discounting other great chances.

In other words, I'm not being the Iraqi Info Minister here, and I don't think you'll find many that would think there's systematic or deep-running problems here (though I suspect it will get worse before it gets better if Kopitar is out for any substantial number of games). So, I'm not using 'oh, it's just bad luck' as an excuse, I'm simply saying I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with our team's game--just that we're losing games we 'should' win after winning some games we 'should' have lost earlier. No big deal yet.

Unless you're suggesting we're just gaming Corsi right now and getting shot volume rather than shot quality. I'm seeing very much the opposite. Sometime everything bounces your way--Bruins game--sometimes not so much.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Hint--that's a team shooting percentage, not just Brown, who I'm not sure why you're harping on because he's been near PPG in the last little stretch.

I'm not saying it's 'just' puck luck because there are some fixable things there, most notably defensive coverage (which would lead to a deflated save %, part of PDO), but people here are fooling themselves if they believe they're watching a team that isn't generating shots and chances and that some of them are going to go in. How many goalies make those saves on Clifford AND Looch in the same game repeatedly over time? And that's discounting other great chances.

In other words, I'm not being the Iraqi Info Minister here, and I don't think you'll find many that would think there's systematic or deep-running problems here (though I suspect it will get worse before it gets better if Kopitar is out for any substantial number of games). So, I'm not using 'oh, it's just bad luck' as an excuse, I'm simply saying I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with our team's game--just that we're losing games we 'should' win after winning some games we 'should' have lost earlier. No big deal yet.

Unless you're suggesting we're just gaming Corsi right now and getting shot volume rather than shot quality. I'm seeing very much the opposite. Sometime everything bounces your way--Bruins game--sometimes not so much.
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Yeah.. I'm tough on Brown... he went from trolling other teams to trolling Kings fans...

I just think there's a reason for things...

Clifford had half the net to shoot at and hit the goalie... That sucks... but a play I expect out of about half the lineup.

Brown's pass to Lucic was horrible... everyone knew way ahead of time that Brown was going to try and make that pass.... the goalie had no question... now if you show shot and freeze the goalie on the near post then make the pass look like a shot it takes the goalie time to react... making Lucic's shot have a better chance. Brown is just not capable of that.

It doesn't surprise me that either one of those chances didn't go. It's like if Lewis were making that pass... I would be shocked if it worked.

Gaming Corsi isn't the right way to look at it. Corsi weights shots the same for say Nolan as Toffoli... one is much more dangerous then the other. I don't look at the Kings getting large numbers of shots and think they should have gotten more goals. It's more about good opportunists. Sure every once in a while a lucky puck goes in from center ice. There's a difference between high volume of shots for routine saves and high quality opportunities.

Kings system limits their chances. They slow the game down and make other teams earn the win by fighting it out in the trenches. To over come the lack of offense generated by cherry pickers like Perry... the Kings need to have 3 lines that can generate offense. Gabby goes down and the whole dynamic changes. There just isn't enough scoring talent to overcome the low offensive handicap of the Kings system.
 
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