STL:2 LA:1: Kopi watch

[Raccoon Jesus]

Yeah.. I'm tough on Brown... he went from trolling other teams to trolling Kings fans...

I just think there's a reason for things...

Clifford had half the net to shoot at and hit the goalie... That sucks... but a play I expect out of about half the lineup.

Brown's pass to Lucic was horrible... everyone knew way ahead of time that Brown was going to try and make that pass.... the goalie had no question... now if you show shot and freeze the goalie on the near post then make the pass look like a shot it takes the goalie time to react... making Lucic's shot have a better chance. Brown is just not capable of that.

It doesn't surprise me that either one of those chances didn't go. It's like if Lewis were making that pass... I would be shocked if it worked.

Gaming Corsi isn't the right way to look at it. Corsi weights shots the same for say Nolan as Toffoli... one is much more dangerous then the other. I don't look at the Kings getting large numbers of shots and think they should have gotten more goals. It's more about good opportunists. Sure every once in a while a lucky puck goes in from center ice. There's a difference between high volume of shots for routine saves and high quality opportunities.

Kings system limits their chances. They slow the game down and make other teams earn the win by fighting it out in the trenches. To over come the lack of offense generated by cherry pickers like Perry... the Kings need to have 3 lines that can generate offense. Gabby goes down and the whole dynamic changes. There just isn't enough scoring talent to overcome the low offensive handicap of the Kings system.

I don't fully disagree with what you're saying, but even before Gaborik and Kopitar go down--these numbers are bad even for us historically. AKA it's a slump, and not one worth reading so much into. The team didn't fundamentally get worse at shooting; saying you expect half the lineup to flub that opportunity Clifford got is hyperbolic, there's MORE than enough scoring talent in the lineup with the sheer number of 30 and 40 goal scorers (arguably best offensive lineup we've iced). And it would be a problem if we weren't generating dangerous opportunities, I don't see any reasonable eye-test argument that would suggest that, and the numbers don't, either.

For the season, we're at 54.1 HSCF%; 537 for, 456 against.
From the start of the season till Dec. 31st, we were at 53%; 350 for, 311 against.
Since then, we are at 56.3%; 187 chances for, 145 against.

These are all 'high danger' chances too. At just raw scoring chances, we're tops, but probably expected.

FWIW, that overall percentage is 3rd in the league behind SJ and NSH, so you're right in at least one way, that 'leading in corsi' isn't the be-all and end-all for chances (not that I ever said it was).

Edit: Visual--

Yes, I'm going to suggest there are good things coming for us provided health for Kopi.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Since the Lecavalier trade, Toffoli has 5 goals in 18 games, Lucic 3 in 17, and Carter 3 in 18. That would be 23 goals in 82 games for Toffoli, 14 in 82 for Lucic, and just under 14 in 82 for Carter. Take out the Boston game where every shot was going in, and it's 2 in 16(10 in 82) for Lucic, and 2 in 17(9.6 in 82) for Carter. Not enough goals from those two lately.

Lucic had 18 last year, and doesn't seem to be much of a shooter, at least with the Kings. He's averaging fewer shots on net than Kopitar last year, but with a higher sh%.

Carter is the big one though. He's got 87 goals in 218 games with the Kings before this season, or 32.7 in 82 games. Include this year, it's 101 in 270, or 30.7 in 82. He's at 14 right now, with an average of 22 in 82, but wouldn't even play 82 games this year. 1 goals in his last 14 games.

The Kings need Kopitar, Doughty, and Quick playing well to win a Cup. Carter is the other guy though. If his line is scoring, along with the top line, then the Kings are almost unbeatable. The trick is, as always, to get both going at the same time. Which it seems is a little more difficult than you would think.

 

[kingsfan28]

But the Avs win 5-2 with only 10 shots on goal.

To the back up goalie who hasn't played in 2 months.

 

[Reclamation Project]

To the back up goalie who hasn't played in 2 months.

Total ****ing ********. What an embarrassment.

 

[kingsfan28]

Total ****ing ********. What an embarrassment.

That statement could be used several times this season against a variety of back ups.

 

[bob77]

But the Avs win 5-2 with only 10 shots on goal.

Way back in the '70s, when the Soviets showed up, people were blown away by how little they shot the puck. It was all about quality.

 

[Reclamation Project]

I've always considered the Avalanche to be more like the Thailand under-18 national team.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Way back in the '70s, when the Soviets showed up, people were blown away by how little they shot the puck. It was all about quality.

Absolutely, but no coach WANTS to get outshot 80-20, and teams like the Avs, last year's Flames, etc. like to preach "it's all about quality" when they neglect that they're getting pummeled in the defensive end. No one is going to argue those teams don't have the forward talent to punch in limited opportunities and can get the goaltending to hang on tight, but it's not likely--from a hockey standpoint, not just 'statistics'--to get blown away night after night and come away victorious, and it's certainly not a 'strategy.'

The Russian 5 stuff and early Red Army stuff was pure possession in terms of time not shot volume, that's the big difference. I'm not arguing our shooting % should be sky high, I'm just saying its literally as low as ever and thus likely to go back to "normal" for us, which is 'low' for others.

 

[Trolfoli]

Absolutely, but no coach WANTS to get outshot 80-20, and teams like the Avs, last year's Flames, etc. like to preach "it's all about quality" when they neglect that they're getting pummeled in the defensive end. No one is going to argue those teams don't have the forward talent to punch in limited opportunities and can get the goaltending to hang on tight, but it's not likely--from a hockey standpoint, not just 'statistics'--to get blown away night after night and come away victorious, and it's certainly not a 'strategy.'

The Russian 5 stuff and early Red Army stuff was pure possession in terms of time not shot volume, that's the big difference. I'm not arguing our shooting % should be sky high, I'm just saying its literally as low as ever and thus likely to go back to "normal" for us, which is 'low' for others.

I see.... The Kings are playing well recently, goals have been hard to come by.

My positive switch went to off seeing Gaborik/Kopitar go out.

"Shooting% going back to Normal." The other side of this is the Kings are ranked 14th in offense right now. This is significantly higher then they normally are. Going back to normal may mean dropping in goals, not converting on more shots.

I should be more upbeat and shouldn't fault people for looking on the positive side. With Pearson, not playing like pre-injury and Gaborik out I'm getting 29th ranked offense flash backs.

 

[bob77]

Absolutely, but no coach WANTS to get outshot 80-20, and teams like the Avs, last year's Flames, etc. like to preach "it's all about quality" when they neglect that they're getting pummeled in the defensive end. No one is going to argue those teams don't have the forward talent to punch in limited opportunities and can get the goaltending to hang on tight, but it's not likely--from a hockey standpoint, not just 'statistics'--to get blown away night after night and come away victorious, and it's certainly not a 'strategy.'

The Russian 5 stuff and early Red Army stuff was pure possession in terms of time not shot volume, that's the big difference. I'm not arguing our shooting % should be sky high, I'm just saying its literally as low as ever and thus likely to go back to "normal" for us, which is 'low' for others.

I concur!! If anything, the old Soviet teams didnt fully understand how many more quality chances they actually had, and the Kings at times dont fully understand that some shots are almost like turnovers. Same thing.