Confirmed with Link: Steve Staios Hired as POHO

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Yeah I agree, it's rich that some posters are trying to convince us that oh we don't want Dorion fire just because we don't like how he talks to the media and how he looks. because if you look at the job he did rebuilding this team he did a good job considering the lack of resources he had at his disposal. So why do some fans because I believe is a minority of the fan base that want him gone. Did he made some mistake absolutely but so does every GM in the league. Now we understand that if this year the Sens don't make the playoffs he will be gone and that's fine, it's all about result.

I see many of them that want Dorion fired focusing almost entirely on hockey decisions. You're right that some also raise the public speaking issues and put a lot of focus on it, but you're being just as black and white by implying your opinion of the job he's done is the only reasonable one and talking as if anyone that might feel differently is merely being irrational.

Where is the nuance in this place?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Admit that he got saved by the bell, in your opinion. Micklebot won't say one way or another what he thinks- because he sticks to the facts only!

I think its a joke to say Dorion wouldn't still be here today if Andlauer bought the team even back in January.

He's gone way out his way to praise the young core, and admires how they will grow together and how tight they are/will be. The need to have guys that want to be here (ie the character guys PD targets).

Dorion was on stage when Andlauer was introduced....And again with Staios. He even went out of his way to make sure people knew Pierre was still making hokey decisions. He likes him, as much as that pisses people off to hear.

You have to be delusional to think he wasn't getting this opportunity no matter what. Imo. Hate has clouded your judgment if you can't start to see it this way.

We don't know yet what this is. Is he taking the season to the finish line or is it truly a trial opportunity for going forward? For all we know, Andlauer and Staios may already have the next guy picked and have a specific trajectory for the timeline of how they want this all to play out. You're speaking as if today was evidence of something that's impossible for any of us to know.

 

[Samsquanch]

We don't know yet what this is. Is he taking the season to the finish line or is it truly a trial opportunity for going forward? For all we know, Andlauer and Staios may already have the next guy picked and have a specific trajectory for the timeline of how they want this all to play out. You're speaking as if today was evidence of something that's impossible for any of us to know.

I'm saying there's plenty - I repeat plenty - of evidence to suggest that Dorion has the backing of Andlauer today. Go ahead and ignore it all and believe whatever you want tbh.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I'm saying there's plenty - I repeat plenty - of evidence to suggest that Dorion has the backing of Andlauer today. Go ahead and ignore and believe whatever you want tbh.

I'm not implying he doesn't have confidence of Andlauer to handle the team for now, he clearly has that, but how is that evidence that this is truly a trial run for Dorion to keep this position long term and not potentially a matter of handling the team for a period while they decide who they want and when?

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Admit that he got saved by the bell, in your opinion. Micklebot won't say one way or another what he thinks- because he sticks to the facts only!

I think its a joke to say Dorion wouldn't still be here today if Andlauer bought the team even back in January.

He's gone way out his way to praise the young core, and admires how they will grow together and how tight they are/will be. The need to have guys that want to be here (ie the character guys PD targets).

Dorion was on stage when Andlauer was introduced....And again with Staios. He even went out of his way to make sure people knew Pierre was still making hokey decisions. He likes him, as much as that pisses people off to hear.

You have to be delusional to think he wasn't getting this opportunity no matter what. Imo. Hate has clouded your judgment if you can't start to see it this way.

imagine how awkward and the raging speculation if they purposefully tried to hide away dorion lol.

the eve of the season is no time to rock the boat.

especially since, if they come in and fire Dorion and the team has a bad start they will be on the hot seat. that's a massive L for them. especially with the sky high expectations for the team.

if they come in, keep Dorion, and the team has a bad start. they can take no possible blame, heck even the players would be saved some blame. they have a fall guy.

they would be dumb to fire Dorion right now.

If the team was sold in January it would have been reasonable to expect Andlauer and Staois would want their guys running the draft and FA. especially since the team was cruising to another missed playoffs.

 

[milkbag]

I'm saying there's plenty - I repeat plenty - of evidence to suggest that Dorion has the backing of Andlauer today. Go ahead and ignore it all and believe whatever you want tbh.

Of course the brand new owner is gonna back the current GM. Do you believe people actually expected him to step up to the podium and call Dorion a f***in bumass GM who's time is running out?

I personally wanted Dorion fired because he has the bad habit of making complete bone-head moves in between his good moves. He has a boss to answer to now which will be his sober second thought. That's good enough for me atm.

 

[Samsquanch]

I'm not implying he doesn't have confidence of Andlauer to handle the team for now, he clearly has that, but how is that evidence that this is truly a trial run for Dorion to keep this position long term and not potentially a matter of handling the team for a period while they decide who they want and when?

That's meaningless speculation imo.

If you believe that he has the confidence of Andlauer today to run the team based on MERIT - not because of luck/timing of the sale - that's not what other posters said. Some still aren't saying that.

Dorion was on stage when Andlauer took his first group photo as owner of the Sens. Honestly, your a joker (not you) if you can't see that the writing is on the wall when it comes to how Andlauer grades Dorion today. You don't let him in that photo if you know he's on he's way out.

The answer is, he passed the enough to get his full support. Period.

 

[Samsquanch]

imagine how awkward and the raging speculation if they purposefully tried to hide away dorion lol.

the eve of the season is no time to rock the boat.

especially since, if they come in and fire Dorion and the team has a bad start they will be on the hot seat. that's a massive L for them. especially with the sky high expectations for the team.

if they come in, keep Dorion, and the team has a bad start. they can take no possible blame, heck even the players would be saved some blame. they have a fall guy.

they would be dumb to fire Dorion right now.

If the team was sold in January it would have been reasonable to expect Andlauer and Staois would want their guys running the draft and FA. especially since the team was cruising to another missed playoffs.

There was absolutely no need whatsoever to bring him on stage with Bettman and jump in the group photo - his first photo as owner of the Sens.

But I digress. We can all chose to believe whatever we want to believe. I think that based on what we know today, your reality sounds very very far fetched.

Dorion was always getting this trial run. Imo.

 

[jake1]

I just came aboard a few years ago with the UND guys, so not a lot of history. If the Sens are playing in the ECF in a few years with the bulk of the current core leading the way, that would lead me to conclude PD was a good GM. His vision was right, and the net effect of all the good and bad moves was a contender. If not, then he wasn't. The proof will be in the pudding.

I would expect him to not be with Ottawa to see it, as new owners want their own people, and they're not the type to wait around a few years before installing them.

I think in five years he'll be held in high regard for his work here.

 

[Relapsing]

Take it easy. It was meant as a lighthearted comment about a situation that is clearly uncomfortable.

Watch the last two minutes of the press conference, specifically from the moment Staios is handed a Sens Jersey, and you'll see two people in symbiosis while a third one is desperately trying to fit in. That's the gist of it. It was a bad joke.

Sounds like more wishful thinking than observation. Or a situation where there's two guys out of three that have known each other for years, which is way more likely.

 

[Samsquanch]

I just came aboard a few years ago with the UND guys, so not a lot of history. If the Sens are playing in the ECF in a few years with the bulk of the current core leading the way, that would lead me to conclude PD was a good GM. His vision was right, and the net effect of all the good and bad moves was a contender. If not, then he wasn't. The proof will be in the pudding.

I would expect him to not be with Ottawa to see it, as new owners want their own people, and they're not the type to wait around a few years before installing them.

I think in five years he'll be held in high regard for his work here.

You don't have to been a long timer here to have that opinion. Which forgive me for saying, but it's quite obvious and logically sound. Not hard to come to that same conclusion..

Just not sure why that isn't universally agreed upon, is where I'm at....

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

That's meaningless speculation imo.

If you believe that he has the confidence of Andlauer today to run the team based on MERIT - not because of luck/timing of the sale - that's not what other posters said. Some still aren't saying that.

Dorion was on stage when Andlauer took his first group photo as owner of the Sens. Honestly, your a joker (not you) if you can't see that the writing is on the wall when it comes to how Andlauer grades Dorion today. You don't let him in that photo if you know he's on he's way out.

The answer is, he passed the enough to get his full support. Period.

I get it, a lot of hyperbole gets thrown around here and I read it too, but I do feel like you're the one speculating a bit too much and extrapolating too much out of a couple photo ops and not something that is able to be a direct connection or black and white evidence. Dorion was always going to be at those press conferences unless he was being immediately terminated.

But that depends on the point being made. The main part I was disputing, so correct me if I'm wrong, was that Andlauer putting him (or more accurately, keeping him) in this position means he's getting an audition to be here long term. That's the part I don't think anything we've seen yet connects the dots to.

Basically, I think you're theorizing that part without enough supporting evidence, but I'm not saying I can prove the theory wrong either, just that we don't really know. I think it's clear that Andlauer has enough confidence in Dorion to keep him in the position, and these professionals will all work together, but I don't think we know the extent of his confidence or what his plans for the future are. He may both have confidence and have a plan for a hand picked guy to step in when he chooses.

Either way, the guy I felt like was standing in the way of sustainable success for this franchise passed away and I think success is coming no matter what.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I just came aboard a few years ago with the UND guys, so not a lot of history. If the Sens are playing in the ECF in a few years with the bulk of the current core leading the way, that would lead me to conclude PD was a good GM. His vision was right, and the net effect of all the good and bad moves was a contender. If not, then he wasn't. The proof will be in the pudding.

I would expect him to not be with Ottawa to see it, as new owners want their own people, and they're not the type to wait around a few years before installing them.

I think in five years he'll be held in high regard for his work here.

It's not that simple to just point at results down the line. More critical thinking is required to assess things.

If a GM put together a really good team and a bunch of them get injured and derail everything, you can't just say it's a bad GM because the team didn't have much success. Maybe you could if those players were injury prone and they pushed their chips in with those players anyways.

Just like a GM that does have a bunch of success but say only gets a couple ECF runs and flames out. Maybe if he'd done a little better, they could have won it all. Etc. etc. Just way too simplistic imo.

A lot of the praise Dorion gets is deserving, as is the criticism. This was a scorched Earth rebuild with an unprecedented set of stars to sell off, but he also landed on go and gets to collect $200, so who knows.

 

[Samsquanch]

I get it, a lot of hyperbole gets thrown around here and I read it too, but I do feel like you're the one speculating a bit too much and extrapolating too much out of a couple photo ops and not something that is able to be a direct connection or black and white evidence. Dorion was always going to be at those press conferences unless he was being immediately terminated.

But that depends on the point being made. The main part I was disputing, so correct me if I'm wrong, was that Andlauer putting him (or more accurately, keeping him) in this position means he's getting an audition to be here long term. That's the part I don't think anything we've seen yet connects the dots to.

Basically, I think you're theorizing that part without enough supporting evidence, but I'm not saying I can prove the theory wrong either, just that we don't really know. I think it's clear that Andlauer has enough confidence in Dorion to keep him in the position, and these professionals will all work together, but I don't think we know the extent of his confidence or what his plans for the future are. He may both have confidence and have a plan for a hand picked guy to step in when he chooses.

Either way, the guy I felt like was standing in the way of sustainable success for this franchise passed away and I think success is coming no matter what.

All I'm gonna say is watch the goal posts move again next year after Dorion's team has a great season.

The narrative won't change for some people that Dorion's still on his way out, but now Andlauer's hands are tied due to popular opinion in the hockey world. Doesn't want to rock the boat and tarnish his own reputation. Drat that cursed Pierre for stalling his master plans (of having a great NHL team lol).

But the knife will alwyas be dangling just above his head - and Andlauer is just waiting to strike when the time is right, apparently. And then in some twisted, sad way, that convinces them they were still right all along whenever in inevitably happens someday.

We're basically at the point that whenever it is that Dorion gets fired, all of their opinions about this Andlauer timeline with Dorion will somehow become validated. It's hilarious because the same game of whack a mole has been played in here for a decade now.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

All I'm gonna say is watch the goal posts move again next year after Dorion's team has a great season.

The narrative won't change for some people that Dorion's still on his way out, but now Andlauer's hands are tied due to popular opinion.

But that the knife is dangling above his head - and Andlauer's just waiting to strike when the time is right. And then in some twisted, sad way, that convinces them they were still right all along whenever in inevitably happens!

We're basically at the point that whenever it is that Dorion gets fired, all of their opinions about this Andlauer timeline with Dorion will somehow become validated. It's hilarious because the same game of whack a mole has been played in here for a decade now.

Hey I get it. I can only be responsible for what I say, but I do read a lot here and I think there is a lot more nuance to these comments and posters that are getting lumped together as if it was one singular thought.

I felt the same about Melnyk and that situation. Despite feeling like a lot of the opinions here were proven to be 100% correct about him and his behavior and how he was holding the team back, there wasn't a big moment for those that argued on his behalf and they were quickly shifting goalposts or minimizing it with stuff like it was just "an angry email" sort of thing.

I just hate all the lumping in I guess. Like, if you aren't enamoured with the job Dorion has done as a whole, that's a respectable position. Just like the opposite is.

 

[milkbag]

You don't have to been a long timer here to have that opinion. Which forgive me for saying, but it's quite obvious and logically sound. Not hard to come to that same conclusion..

Just not sure why that isn't universally agreed upon, is where I'm at....

Peter Chiarelli built the Bruins and won the cup with them in 2011. He's widely considered to be a bad GM. This whole discussion is alot more nuanced than you're making it out to be, it's not that black and white. Do you think Dorion will eventually be GM of another NHL team after his inevitable departure here? Honest question.

 

[Samsquanch]

Peter Chiarelli built the Bruins and won the cup with them in 2011. He's widely considered to be a bad GM. This whole discussion is alot more nuanced than you're making it out to be, it's not that black and white. Do you think Dorion will eventually be GM of another NHL team after his inevitable departure here? Honest question.

Chia was considered elite and was in high demand at his peak, or are we ignoring that part? So was Ken Holland and Brian Burke...until they weren't.

Honest answer, as of today Dorions likely not getting another job as a GM. That could change, but he's just so bad on camera unfortunately. And that's part of the job.

Doesn't change anything at all. Dorion in fact built an exciting young team that fans can truly be proud of. Did he not?

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

I really wanna start seeing quotes of people saying Dorion was gonna get shitcanned on day 1 if people aren't gonna stop beating their chests over it just so they can say "Atoadaso! He still here!"

Tonight I learned the word Atoadaso

I just came aboard a few years ago with the UND guys, so not a lot of history. If the Sens are playing in the ECF in a few years with the bulk of the current core leading the way, that would lead me to conclude PD was a good GM. His vision was right, and the net effect of all the good and bad moves was a contender. If not, then he wasn't. The proof will be in the pudding.

I would expect him to not be with Ottawa to see it, as new owners want their own people, and they're not the type to wait around a few years before installing them.

I think in five years he'll be held in high regard for his work here.

He’ll probably be gone when we win a cup, but I agree, he will deserve a lot credit, even if I didn’t like many of his moves, particularly around asset management (some of which was during his tenure under the thumb of Melnyk it shouldn’t be forgotten)

 

[Bileur]

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

Pierre forgot to wash out his ass in the shower this morning

 

[milkbag]

Chia was considered elite and was in high demand at his peak, or are we ignoring that part? So was Ken Holland and Brian Burke...until they weren't.

Honest answer, as of today Dorions likely not getting another job as a GM. That could change, but he's just so bad on camera unfortunately. And that's part of the job.

Doesn't change anything at all. Dorion in fact built an exciting young team that fans can truly be proud of. Did he not?

Right, it's a nuanced discussion because you can't just focus on one facet to make the call whether someone is a good or bad NHL GM. He made some great moves and won a cup, so is he a good GM in perpetuity for that? If you look at his entire body of work as a whole, can you still say the same thing? It's not like he's a player that degraded to the point of obsolescence. People don't just become stupid in the same way a body breaks down, and Chiarelli isn't even that old so thats not an excuse. Ask 5 people and you'll get 5 varying opinions though.

I'm not going to, and I can't, disagree that he's assembled an excellent young core. The team is the most exciting it's been in a solid decade, you can't reasonably deny that.

Dorion is being given due diligence by Andlauer because they're both professionals. Mike wasn't gonna Vince McMahon Dorion, I still don't think anyone legitimately thought that. Having said that, Andlauer has heavily emphasized accountability since he's gotten the keys and seeing Dorion backed into a corner with an integral part of our lineup in Pinto (a position he's in because of sweeping past mistakes under the rug)... that is not the greatest of first looks my dude. That's why I think the clocks ticking on him because sometimes it feels like he can't help himself. Can someone really be considered a good GM when they can't find work after their first gig?

 

[TheNewEra]

Staios' first test is making sure Bailey doesn't get a contract

 

[DaveMatthew]

Man, listening to Andlauer last week and now Staios, what a breathe of fresh air. Two guys who are passionate, respected and well spoken. We haven't seen that in this market for a long time.

While both have stressed how much work there is to do (I sense that they feel we're quite a bit further away from winning than some fans on here do), the coming months and years will be exciting.

On the topic of Pierre Dorion, I have no idea whether he'll succeed or fail in this new environment. Ultimately it'll be up to him being able to adapt and gaining the trust and respect of Andlauer and Staios. I have my doubts, but time will tell. At the very least, there'll finally be a level of accountability. I don't expect there to be any rushed decisions, but it seems like we have steady hands (and people who don't refer to themselves in the 3rd person) on the wheel.

I imagine the next announcement will be Daniel Alfredsson being brought in as Sr. VP of Player Development, and then someone in a senior role who can manage the cap (a Brandon Pridham type person).

Going from Eugene Melnyk and Pierre Dorion as the faces of the front office to Andlauer, Staios, Alfredsson and Leeder... what a shift!

 

[DaveMatthew]

Admit that he got saved by the bell, in your opinion. Micklebot won't say one way or another what he thinks- because he sticks to the facts only!

I think its a joke to say Dorion wouldn't still be here today if Andlauer bought the team even back in January.

He's gone way out his way to praise the young core, and admires how they will grow together and how tight they are/will be. The need to have guys that want to be here (ie the character guys PD targets).

Dorion was on stage when Andlauer was introduced....And again with Staios. He even went out of his way to make sure people knew Pierre was still making hokey decisions. He likes him, as much as that pisses people off to hear.

You have to be delusional to think he wasn't getting this opportunity no matter what. Imo. Hate has clouded your judgment if you can't start to see it this way.

I don't think Dorion is going anywhere for at least the next 9 months (unless there's a catastrophic start to the season or something), but you made up a lot in that post lol.

Both Andlauer last week, and Staios today, talked a lot more about the amount of work there is to do across all facets of the organization to get it to where they want it to be. There hasn't been very much praising of anyone, to be honest. It's been pretty subdued.

Maybe they're just setting expectations low, but it's a stark contrast from when Melnyk came in guns blazing talking about Stanley Cups.

The vibe I've gotten is that both guys don't feel we're all that close. Maybe they're just keeping expectations low, but if I'm someone who's been here for a while (whether that's Dorion, DJ, Bowness, scouts, etc), I'm not getting all that comfortable listening to them. I'm kicking my ass into gear to prove myself.

Sometimes teams get sold and new owners make it clear their priority is to not break what's working, but that hasn't been the messaging here.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

Is there a team in the NHL that has better 'press box' shots than the Ottawa Senators? Seems like a constant meme roll. Not sure if it's by design or completely by chance but it's fantastic. Dubas in Toronto had some great clips but Dorion is on a completely different level. And it's seemingly continued into new ownership.

Weird.