Stephen Weiss
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I say we trade him to whatever team Babcock decides to coach
Tell the team they can keep their 3rd but they gotta take Weiss.
Do you hear that Kenny? One can dream. But really, you guys have more cap space then you'll know what to do with, perfect place to wind down Weiss' career.
WingedWheel1987
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Yet we still have some on this board who believe Weiss will either...
A. Magically become a more productive player with the boogeyman Babcock gone.
B. Will miraculously regain the ability to skate at a functional NHL level this off-season.
Don't know how anyone could watch Weiss get up and down the ice this past season and conclude anything other than him being cooked. If we get a team to take him off our hands we should thank the hockey gods.
Weiss is more than effective when used in his correct position. He would have provided more points than Sheahan as the 2C this year.
He might have scored more points than Sheahan. He also would have been a -20 or something if he actually played as the second line center. So, our team would have been much worse off.
Weiss hasn't played center at a functional level since 2011-2012. Weiss is pretty terrible now and an obvious buyout candidate.
Weiss hasn't played center at a functional level since 2011-2012. Weiss is pretty terrible now and an obvious buyout candidate.
Another offseason of training might be able to get Weiss moving on his skates again, I don't know how long he was actually on the shelf because of the multiple surgeries to fix the sports hernia. though I also remember Gilchrist's skating never coming back after his sports hernia problems and surgery. I wouldn't bet money on his skating improving, but regardless I wouldn't be surprised to see him in camp this fall. May as well hope for the best at that point.
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http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...ards&minutes=200&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC
Weiss was not bad at points/60. If he could handle a little bit more minutes, he would not be far away worth of his contract.
I'd still like to see him with Datsyuk, Weiss was effective burying his rare chances with a lot weaker playmaking centermen (usually Sheahan) and Datsyuk carried another slow pylon Holmström for years with him, and it was not a problem for the team.
Weiss was not bad at points/60. If he could handle a little bit more minutes, he would not be far away worth of his contract.
I'd still like to see him with Datsyuk, Weiss was effective burying his rare chances with a lot weaker playmaking centermen (usually Sheahan) and Datsyuk carried another slow pylon Holmström for years with him, and it was not a problem for the team.
detredWINgs
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Same. Although buyouts should not be the first option anyways. Retaining salary is a much better idea if you can trade him. I don't like the idea of being on the hook for $2.6M two years from now because of Weiss. The difference between retaining 1.5M for the next 3 years versus a buyout is, at worst a ~450k difference in years 1 and 3, but you don't have to worry about the carryover for three more years nor do you have to worry about that ugly year 2 where we pay $2.6M for the buyout. Yuck.
I feel the same way about Smith. If the coach isn't Babs, it's possible that Smith gets a different role that he's better suited for.
We won't be spending near the Cap in my opinion, the Free Agent group is pretty weak. Besides an upgrade somewhere on D, I don't see us doing much. We have Pulkkinen who is literally tearing the A to shreds, so he needs to be given a top 9 spot with Detroit next year. I would buy Weiss out. The experiment has failed. Evene if Babcock leaves, I would still buy him out and move on.
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Andersson I honestly wouldn't mind bringing back, don't mind him as a 13th forward. Callahan can be 14th forward, or sign a cheap depth forward.
Cleary, Cole will obviously not be brought back.
Athanasiou/Mantha call ups.
I would also bring back Miele/Porter for GR, and could even see them getting a handful of games for Detroit.
Tatar-Datsyuk-Helm
Nyquist-Z-Abdelkader
Jurco-Sheahan-Pulkkinen
Miller-Glen-Ferraro
Franzen LTIR
Weiss Buyout
Andersson I honestly wouldn't mind bringing back, don't mind him as a 13th forward. Callahan can be 14th forward, or sign a cheap depth forward.
Cleary, Cole will obviously not be brought back.
Athanasiou/Mantha call ups.
I would also bring back Miele/Porter for GR, and could even see them getting a handful of games for Detroit.
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Vladdy84
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Buying out Weiss is dumb. I refuse to believe that no team would want a center that can put up 40-50 pts. Of course, the NTC/NMC complicates things.
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Nobody will trade for him with that contract. He's worth 2.5 million max, not 5 million.
That's a small team. I think we could do well in the regular season, but we would have problems once the playoffs roll around. It helps that we're in the East, since it's just a weaker conference, but we're asking for trouble in the playoffs once physical play and obstruction increase.
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Just need the bash brothers Ericsson and Phaneuf to push everyone around and make room for our midget forward squad.
People pointing to Weiss' ppg/pp60-- this is a case where you need to look at more than just the aggregated numbers, because they aren't likely to fool any of the other GMs out there. The bulk of his production came from the heavy-lifting that Datsyuk and Helm did on that line. He was the recipient of a ridiculous amount of puck luck; his goals were nearly always off of rebounds that bounced out to him or deflections that bounced off of him. Most of his assists were secondary. Anyone watching could tell he's pretty much incapable of generating anything on his own, so sure, if you want to help makes Datysuk's decision to retire that much easier, then stick him with Weiss
Seriously, you have to start somewhere. Phaneuf has his problems, and his physical game isn't what it once was, but he'd still bring some much needed grit to our blueline.
yeah, there was puck luck involved, but he also knows where to go and what to do once he got there. You're right, he couldn't generate much of anything on his own, but he was still productive when he was with someone who could do the leg work. Capitalizing on your opportunities shouldn't be held against him. The problem with Weiss is that he literally could't skate and still didn't seem to know what to do defensively. The guy looked lost whenever he was in his own zone, and I have no idea how he could still seem to not have a good grasp of our system.
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