Stephen Weiss

[BinCookin]

Weiss deserves to be in our top nine based on production of goals and assists. Call me old fashioned but that is how I rate our players. For all the talent junco has he produces little. Also how about glenndening with ten this year. He is on our fourth line for the foreseeable future

 

[stillwater]

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...&type=individual&sort=ifenwick60&sortdir=DESC

You'll notice that during 5 on 5 play, Stephen Weiss's Fenwick/60 is the worst of all Red Wing forwards.

 

[TheOtherOne]

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...&type=individual&sort=ifenwick60&sortdir=DESC

You'll notice that during 5 on 5 play, Stephen Weiss's Fenwick/60 is the worst of all Red Wing forwards.

iFenwick = Individual Fenwick = Shots on Goal + Shots directed at net that missed net

So despite not taking many shots compared to others, he continues to produce points.

I don't get it, are you trying to use this to prove that Weiss is bad?

 

[stillwater]

iFenwick = Individual Fenwick = Shots on Goal + Shots directed at net that missed net

So despite not taking many shots compared to others, he continues to produce points.

I don't get it, are you trying to use this to prove that Weiss is bad?

It's not that difficult. He's not creating scoring chances, yet he's scoring at a rate that's "good enough" for some.

Either he's Hall of Fame material, or his current point production is not sustainable.

I'll go with the latter.

 

[TheOtherOne]

It's not that difficult. He's not creating scoring chances, yet he's scoring at a rate that's "good enough" for some.

Either he's Hall of Fame material, or his current point production is not sustainable.

I'll go with the latter.

If Weiss's scoring rate of 0.47 is just "good enough for some", then what do you call Sheahan, Helm, Pulkinnen, Jurco, Glendening, Miller, and Andersson?

And are you saying he would be a better player if, 3 times per game, instead of choosing to pass, he shot a weak wrister wide of the net? Because that would surely increase his Fenwick...




See attached: Players sorted by ice time per game.
For the most part they're also roughly sorted by points per 60 minutes. That one massive outlier near the bottom is kinda funny though...

Edit: hahahaha I didn't even notice until now, he's being outproduced by exactly THREE Red Wings. And is tied with Franzen.

 

[ap3x]

Don't even bother. He'll always try to find something to nurture his hatred for Weiss. Only constructive stuff that he brought up so far, are the stats seen above. And even those don't say much at all, 'cause the actual production per ice time is far from being as bad as the Fenwick/60 stats might suggest. Quite the contrary. Obviously, goals and assists don't count so much anymore, as long as you need less scoring chances/plays for it.

 

[stillwater]

And are you saying he would be a better player if, 3 times per game, instead of choosing to pass, he shot a weak wrister wide of the net? Because that would surely increase his Fenwick...

It depends, are you saying all players ahead of him are choosing to shoot instead of pass (which you contend Weiss does, though you have no proof).

Frankly, the eye test tells me Weiss seldom has the puck, but that's just me.

 

[TheOtherOne]

It depends, are you saying all players ahead of him are choosing to shoot instead of pass (which you contend Weiss does, though you have no proof).

Frankly, the eye test tells me Weiss seldom has the puck, but that's just me.

What?

The only thing i "contend" Weiss does is score. And I consider that to be quite an important thing in hockey.

You're the one who came in and said that the fact that he takes fewer shots than the rest of the team makes him bad.

I don't really care if he takes 1 shot every 2 games as long as he has the point production he has.

 

[stillwater]

I don't really care if he takes 1 shot every 2 games as long as he has the point production he has.

Good for you to believe that his current production is sustainable in any way ... but, we're not in Kansas anymore.

It's naïve to suggest a hatred for Stephen Weiss from me ... that's simply not true.

But if you want to go ahead and believe that all of the Red Wing brass is bowing to the power of Mike Babcock and refusing to play Stephen Weiss in the role he 'deserves', then that's fine. I don't.

 

[Mount Suribachi]

7:30 of totally anonymous ice time for Weiss today. Noticed him once, on the PP, when he turned the puck over in the offensive zone.

Next PP Dekeyser took his spot...

 

[TheOtherOne]

7:30 of totally anonymous ice time for Weiss today. Noticed him once, on the PP, when he turned the puck over in the offensive zone.

Next PP Dekeyser took his spot...

Yea less ice time than the average length of a Metallica song and he still picked up a point on an even strength goal.

Worthless

 

[DetroitRed]

It seems like Detroit has a number of guys they can plug into Weiss' spot, besides Weiss, and they all have give and takes. You know, he isn't the only center on the Wings getting points aside from the top line centers. And the other guys are developing players.

 

[BinCookin]

If Weiss's scoring rate of 0.47 is just "good enough for some", then what do you call Sheahan, Helm, Pulkinnen, Jurco, Glendening, Miller, and Andersson?

And are you saying he would be a better player if, 3 times per game, instead of choosing to pass, he shot a weak wrister wide of the net? Because that would surely increase his Fenwick...




See attached: Players sorted by ice time per game.
For the most part they're also roughly sorted by points per 60 minutes. That one massive outlier near the bottom is kinda funny though...

Edit: hahahaha I didn't even notice until now, he's being outproduced by exactly THREE Red Wings. And is tied with Franzen.

As far as im concerned this post basically tells me who is playing better than their ice time right now:

Cole, Pulkkinen, Weiss.

Most obviously: Weiss.

 

[stillwater]

Yea less ice time than the average length of a Metallica song and he still picked up a point on an even strength goal.

Worthless

He must have asked the ref for the assist, because watching the replay, Dekeyser clearly gets the secondary assist. He shoots the puck, it goes to Quincey, whose "shot" is tipped by Andersson. Another look shows it may have hit Weiss in front before it goes to Quincey. Pretty creative.

Weiss got more ice time than the Metallica song "Sad but True" ... so that's something.

 

[14ari13]

I noticed him once when he screwed up our PP. I would like him to play.

 

[datsyukfan]

You guys do know that he hit the crossbar in the first on a nice move to his backhand yesterday right? Weiss is a solid player just doesn't get the ice time to show it and I'm sure his confidence is ruined by now

 

[TheOtherOne]

Sorry but I think this game deserves a thread bump. Factored in on both goals and rewarded with 4 seconds less ice time than Dan Cleary.

 

[Vladdy84]

Sorry but I think this game deserves a thread bump. Factored in on both goals and rewarded with 4 seconds less ice time than Dan Cleary.

Cleary was atrocious. Can't skate. Takes long shifts and get outclassed and muscled by Boston players. And he still follows the puck like mini mite. Gets caught flat footed and his defensive play, backcheck / transitioning out of the offensive zone and coverage is deplorable.

 

[redwingsphan]

Sorry but I think this game deserves a thread bump. Factored in on both goals and rewarded with 4 seconds less ice time than Dan Cleary.

Yep. And who else was on the ice that could have served the BENCH minor?

 

[Probie]

Yep. And who else was on the ice that could have served the BENCH minor?

The sad thing is I remember a video of holland saying once Weiss gets healthy if he can contribute forty points it was a successful signing. The funny thing is, after tonight's game that's what he's on pace for, playing peanut minutes most of the time.

 

[PelagicJoe]

I don't get Babcock sometimes. I mean, I think we can all agree that Weiss is a better player than Joakim Anderson, Dan Cleary, and (for the time being) Tomas Jurco, yet Babs plays two of the three more often than Stephen Weiss.

If I had to pick who I think the worst forward on the team is (not counting Cleary) I would easily say it's Joker. He's slow and doesn't score. He's ok defensively, but when we have Miller and Luke, that makes Joker benchable and expendable.

 

[ap3x]

I agree with Miller and Luke being less expandable than Joker. But lately, he's bringing more to the table than Jurco. Not to forget that he's an essential part of the 4th line,
all season long. As Weiss isn't fitting on the 4th line, playing him shouldn't be dependent from Joker being on or off the ice.

Given that everyone would be healthy, I don't see a spot for Weiss, as the Top 9 should include Z, Dats, Abby, Gus, Helm, Tats, Cole, She and Pulkks. In case someone is injured, play Weiss instead. My beef with Babs not playing Weiss was mostly due to benching him while we've injuries. When there are none, he just has the chance to jump in, when someone ****s up and doesn't deserve a spot for the time being.

 

[TheOtherOne]

lol

also who's that bum 93, the "eye test" tells me that he doesn't do anything useful with his ice time.

 

[Yemack]

I like his quote from last night

"I think when things have been going the way they've been going for us lately you get a little apprehensive and a little tentative," Detroit's Stephen Weiss said. "Sometimes you just got to say 'screw it' and if they're going to beat us they're going to beat us by us playing our best.

"When you sit back a little bit and are a little tentative that's when you get hurt. But we'll turn it around."

 

[TheOtherOne]

I should be working but I feel like making this avatar was much more productive.