State of the Jackets

[JacketFanInFL]

We obviously have the best fans in the NHL. Any team that can still fill a Friday night arena while in last place says we're the BEST fans in Hockey!

Nothing will happen with this organization that will bring any sort of positive championship-caliber change until the financial support dwindles. Jackets fans are quickly becoming the Browns fans - gluttons for punishment happy to shell out their hard earned money to be miserable for another season because hey lookie Jarmo brought in this awesome grinder who is going to now be our first liner.

 

[EspenK]

Of all the moronic posts which appear on these boards, ones blaming songs, arena experience and Mike Todd for the dismal state of the Jackets top the list.

Me I think it is those freakin' glass bangers in ref shirts. Or perhaps putting Jody down at ice level.

 

[JacketsDavid]

The state of the Jackets is easy: FUBAR

 

[TaketheCannoli]

I was a Chill season ticket holder. I lobbied for years to get an NHL team here. I was at the first CBJ game ever. I was at their first home playoff game. I'm a fan. I watch us year after year embarrass ourselves on the ice. This was supposed to be the year. We got some needed pieces, they were talking playoff's for SURE preseason. I went to the first game this year. We were winning and then, whoaoa hooo whaosoo hoooo. Our players once again realized what a bubble gummy atmosphere they represent and the wheels came off. Again. Yet another year. Perfectly explains our lack of goals at home. Perfectly explains why we had to go on the road to even make us look ECHL respectable. All our coaches leave here saying, "I just can't explain it, seems like they have the talent". I'm saying, "it's psychological". Like football players wearing pink. Hockey is a physical, manly sport and we turn it into "fun for the whole family entertainment".

Families didn't go to the Chill in droves that I saw in my years as ticket holder. There WERE some unsavory, loud, obnoxious, instigators though... but I had heard our opponents hated "The Fairgrounds"... Which I liked knowing!

I don't know, it's just my opinion.

I've been to Pens games at Consol (and the old Igloo too). They are ok, the difference is the fans are more engaged because they have had a good team. When they sucked back at the Igloo, the game experience was terribad. Worse than anything I've ever seen at Nationwide.

I've also been to a playoff game at Philly and because of their Kate Smith "God Bless America" tradition the place is pure adrenaline. I've been to four CBJ home playoff games and the game experience was just as good. I'll never forget the bottles raining from the stands in Game 4 vs. Detroit. Every one of of those games would have been intimidating.

IIRC the Chill was a competitive team lead by a charismatic Granato.

The solution to game experience is to have a team as good as the Pens and Flyers have been in the past.

The state of the Jackets is easy: FUBAR

It's JK/JD at the wheel FUBAR. Sadly, here's a legitimate question:

Are the Jackets more dysfunctional today than they were under MacLean?

 

[blahblah]

Sadly, here's a legitimate question:

Are the Jackets more dysfunctional today than they were under MacLean?

That you even considered the question legitimate suggest that too much time has passed since Dougie or you are too close to this team.

It's not even remotely close to the same level of dysfunction.

 

[Cowumbus]

What's will we do this season then? Or what do you wish to do? Personally hoping:

Trade Deadline
Hartnell for a prospect and pick
Tyutin for picks or young player

Offseason
Werenski stays
Hope to draft Matthews or Chychrun (bs how the format is now)

Next Season

Jenner Johansen Saad
Rychel Matthews Foligno
Calvert Dubinaky Atkinson
Karlsson Wennberg anyone

Johnson Savard
Murray Weresnski
UFA Golobeuf

If we draft Matthews I'd be hoping we Trade Duby before anyone. Joey/Matthews as top two lines Wennberg on the third.

Been thinking though.. If we get screwed by the lottery and get Chychrun our defense could get better hopefully really quickly..

Murray Savard
Johnson Golobeuf
Chychrun Werenski

 

[CBJfan4evr]

Of all the moronic posts which appear on these boards, ones blaming songs, arena experience and Mike Todd for the dismal state of the Jackets top the list.

Me I think it is those freakin' glass bangers in ref shirts. Or perhaps putting Jody down at ice level.

Just saying the focus has shifted from the game to the sideshow entertainment. I guess this sells tickets. Bottom line: Make the playoffs and the crowdbase and focus changes rapidly.

 

[Jackets Woodchuck]

Wow! Columbus is a better hockey city than I thought! You guys made an ECHL team work with no kids in attendance (and maybe not allowed - i.e people carded at the door - the way m8n8 is talking)? Families and youth hockey teams are often the backbone of ticket sales for minor league teams and you got sellouts entirely from an 18+ crowd? Impressive.

By the way, m8n8, at what age do you think people should be allowed to attend sporting events?

 

[Jackets Woodchuck]

Nothing will happen with this organization that will bring any sort of positive championship-caliber change until the financial support dwindles. Jackets fans are quickly becoming the Browns fans - gluttons for punishment happy to shell out their hard earned money to be miserable for another season because hey lookie Jarmo brought in this awesome grinder who is going to now be our first liner.

The problem is that if the financial support dries up, the team may just leave. The choice may be between bad hockey and no hockey if that is the case.

 

[EspenK]

Just saying the focus has shifted from the game to the sideshow entertainment. I guess this sells tickets. Bottom line: Make the playoffs and the crowdbase and focus changes rapidly.

Agree with the latter. As tot he first what's difference?

 

[Viqsi]

Of all the moronic posts which appear on these boards, ones blaming songs, arena experience and Mike Todd for the dismal state of the Jackets top the list.

Me I think it is those freakin' glass bangers in ref shirts. Or perhaps putting Jody down at ice level.

You forgot to blame the Curse Of The Penitentiary.

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That you even considered the question legitimate suggest that too much time has passed since Dougie or you are too close to this team.

It's not even remotely close to the same level of dysfunction.

Yeah, but MacLean was better at talking folks into believing Everything's Okay And It'll Get Better Any Moment Now.

 

[major major]

Jenner Johansen Saad
Rychel Matthews Foligno
Calvert Dubinaky Atkinson
Karlsson Wennberg anyone

Johnson Savard
Murray Weresnski
UFA Golobeuf

That D looks extremely weak. I don't know about the rest of you but when I see a 19 year old Werenski penciled in on the right side of the second pair, I think "gulp!" and "I wonder who'll go first overall in 2017?" Those forwards shouldn't be any better without Hartnell. Of course in time, drafting Matthews will take care of that. But I'm not interested in an Oilers-length rebuild.

I do think we have to move Hartnell and Tyutin out this summer. We'll have to retain a lot of salary for Tyutin. Hartnell is more than good enough, I think teams will want him.

Ship out Joey for Jones. You don't trade Dubinsky, ever.

Saad Dubinsky Foligno
Calvert Wennberg Atkinson
Rychel Jenner Bjorkstrand/Milano/UFA
Campbell Karlsson Clarkson

Murray Jones
JJ Savard
Connauton - Goloubef
Bodnarchuk

I like this lineup, though the forwards are admittedly thinned out. There'll be enough cap left over to get a good middle six UFA. Hopefully a Frolik/Perreault-type acquisition. And of course, we might end up with a Puljujarvi or some guy who can also step in right away.

 

[Cowumbus]

That D looks extremely weak. I don't know about the rest of you but when I see a 19 year old Werenski penciled in on the right side of the second pair, I think "gulp!" and "I wonder who'll go first overall in 2017?" Those forwards shouldn't be any better without Hartnell. Of course in time, drafting Matthews will take care of that. But I'm not interested in an Oilers-length rebuild.

I do think we have to move Hartnell and Tyutin out this summer. We'll have to retain a lot of salary for Tyutin. Hartnell is more than good enough, I think teams will want him.

Ship out Joey for Jones. You don't trade Dubinsky, ever.

Saad Dubinsky Foligno
Calvert Wennberg Atkinson
Rychel Jenner Bjorkstrand/Milano/UFA
Campbell Karlsson Clarkson

Murray Jones
JJ Savard
Connauton - Goloubef
Bodnarchuk

I like this lineup, though the forwards are admittedly thinned out. There'll be enough cap left over to get a good middle six UFA. Hopefully a Frolik/Perreault-type acquisition. And of course, we might end up with a Puljujarvi or some guy who can also step in right away.

Just don't understand the obsession with Dubinsky.. 5.8 mill to a 29 injury prone player getting paid that until he is 34 mind you! That over a player who is a hell of a lot better in Johansen. Why would we want Duby over Joey going forward how does that make sense. We are basically in cap hell so why should we over pay for a 2/3rd line center? Seems so stupid to me.. Duby never was or will be a 1C.


This is a team full of grinders and we need to keep skill guys.

 

[WannabeFinn]

Just don't understand the obsession with Dubinsky.. 5.8 mill to a 29 injury prone player getting paid that until he is 34 mind you! That over a player who is a hell of a lot better in Johansen. Why would we want Duby over Joey going forward how does that make sense. We are basically in cap hell so why should we over pay for a 2/3rd line center? Seems so stupid to me.. Duby never was or will be a 1C.

5.85m for our best defensive center and emotional leader. The guy is good for ~50 points when healthy. He's worth the money and not the part of any problem the CBJ might have.

For the record, assuming we draft Matthews, I would prefer we move Wennberg or Joey before we move Dubi. Joey-Matthews-Dubi or Matthews-Dubi-Wennberg is good enough. No reason to keep all 4 given our need for D and available cap space.

 

[major major]

Just don't understand the obsession with Dubinsky.. 5.8 mill to a 29 injury prone player getting paid that until he is 34 mind you! That over a player who is a hell of a lot better in Johansen. Why would we want Duby over Joey going forward how does that make sense. We are basically in cap hell so why should we over pay for a 2/3rd line center? Seems so stupid to me.. Duby never was or will be a 1C.

All else equal, you keep Joey. But all else is not equal.

1) You don't get a top D for Dubi.

2) Contrary to what you suggest. Cap concerns merit towards moving Joey, not keeping him. His contract will be much costlier than Dubi's.

3) One of these guys is our leader, and the other is not a team player.

 

[major major]

This is a team full of grinders and we need to keep skill guys.

I agree in general. But Dubinsky is one of our most skilled playmakers. He's a complete player.

 

[Cowumbus]

5.85m for our best defensive center and emotional leader. The guy is good for ~50 points when healthy. He's worth the money and not the part of any problem the CBJ might have.

For the record, assuming we draft Matthews, I would prefer we move Wennberg or Joey before we move Dubi. Joey-Matthews-Dubi or Matthews-Dubi-Wennberg is good enough. No reason to keep all 4 given our need for D and available cap space.

All else equal, you keep Joey. But all else is not equal.

1) You don't get a top D for Dubi.

2) Contrary to what you suggest. Cap concerns merit towards moving Joey, not keeping him. His contract will be much costlier than Dubi's.

3) One of these guys is our leader, and the other is not a team player.

Personally I still don't think Joey is "not a team player." Also I get that you think Duby is worth it NOW, but in a few years while he is in his 30s I don't think he will be.

Yes Joey is valuable but other players on this team can get us good players as well.

Say we get Matthews We could easily trade Wennberg for a player like Ellis and the D looks that much better, without giving up a player like Johansen. Bc IMHO Wennberg will never be anywhere close to where Johansen is.

 

[Cowumbus]

I agree in general. But Dubinsky is one of our most skilled playmakers. He's a complete player.

Okay. So we keep Joey and Duby going forward.. Is trading Wennberg for Ellis not make our D a lot better? And still keep our skilled players.

Also what do you think Winnipeg would say to a Hartnell + Tyitin + Pick for Buff?

Jenner Johansen Saad
Rychel Matthews Foligno
Calvert Dubinsky Atkinson
Campbell Karlsson -Zaar!- <- prob not

Murray Buff
Johnson Ellis
Golo Savard

 

[Cowumbus]

For the record by injury prone I mean Duby seems to get hurt at least once in a season and I worry about that as he ages

 

[We Want Ten]

The state of the Jackets is easy: FUBAR

I'd argue that SNAFU is the better acronym. FUBAR would imply this is unusual.

 

[Cowumbus]

Good discussion..

Major Major and Wannabefin
Hypothetically if Joey and Matthews are 1/2C you rather have Duby then Wennberg Bc he is and Alex CAN be? Realistically upside for Wennberg I think is 2C but more likely a 3C similar to Artem but less scoring. but I agree I'd rather have Duby than him at 3C

 

[major major]

Bc IMHO Wennberg will never be anywhere close to where Johansen is.

That's funny because I think Wennberg has outplayed Joey over the last month.

Okay. So we keep Joey and Duby going forward.. Is trading Wennberg for Ellis not make our D a lot better? And still keep our skilled players.

Also what do you think Winnipeg would say to a Hartnell + Tyitin + Pick for Buff?

That's awful. Other teams don't like taking on salary any more than we do. Buff will be the most sought after player at the trade deadline, so it's unlikely we get him. The price would be something like Bjorkstrand and a 2nd and 3rd rounder. Better to see if Buff makes it to UFA.

As for Wennberg for Ellis, ask me when Wennberg isn't scoring nearly every game. Ellis is just another second pair level guy. I want him, but not bad enough to move a guy who is scoring nearly every game.

 

[CBJfan4evr]

If we could shed -
Campbell,
Tyutin,
Clarkson,
Boll,
Bourque we'll be better off...

We better get something good back if -
Hartnell,
Johansen,
Atkinson go away...

 

[Dr. Fire]

If we could shed -
Campbell,
Tyutin,
Clarkson,
Boll,
Bourque we'll be better off...

We better get something good back if -
Hartnell,
Johansen,
Atkinson go away...

In your first group, sad to say, no team in it's right mind takes Clarkson. Not even for a bag of pucks. Boll could go to a team wanting to add toughness for the play-off run. The rest would only bring late round picks, maybe a tweener prospect.

Your second group, I would have to say Johan goes nowhere unless someone grossly overpays for him which won't happen if a team is fighting for a play-off spot. The return for Cam and Hartnell would be intriguing.

Sadly, I could see Foligno going at the deadline if the price is right. So far he is looking like last season was an aberration, rather then a new norm for him. He played well in our series against the Pens two years ago, and someone might pay a nice price for him.

 

[Jackets Woodchuck]

i'd argue that snafu is the better acronym. Fubar would imply this is unusual.

snafubar?