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State of the Jackets
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We Want Ten
Johnny Gaudreau
CBJfan4evr
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I view the former group as blockers for those in the AHL that could be getting playing time e.g. someone like Rychel or even Josh Anderson. My view would be to maximize the return on this group or buyout and move on.
We need the right return to move anyone in the latter group, particularly Johansen
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I have been using 15 years of my life watching this team "grow" and "develop". This is where they have come. Oh the horror ..
As a fan of both teams, I can honestly say it's still better than the Browns.
If nothing else, the uniforms are better.
Of all the moronic posts which appear on these boards, ones blaming songs, arena experience and Mike Todd for the dismal state of the Jackets top the list.
Me I think it is those freakin' glass bangers in ref shirts. Or perhaps putting Jody down at ice level.
Moronic? I've just explained the Jackets problem in 3 posts while you've vomited 8500 + times into HF to conclude we're back to square one, and you continue to think it's personnel.
Rinse and repeat.
Cya round the 17K post mark to see if you're willing to listen to other opinions that don't match your own.
If a team is lousy at hockey, the players being lousy at hockey and/or the people who coach and select the players being lousy at coaching and talent evaluation is the logical answer.
Occam's Razor. Maybe you've heard of it.
Sorry, can't say the post he was referencing (or at least what he seemed to be referencing) explained anything.
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EspenK
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The concern I have with the CBJ is that the current problems will compound into actions that will set the team back beyond next year. Torts has a short shelf life and with a few shedding of contracts we may be in for another couple of "growth" years.
This team entered the season unprepared physically and mentally. Possible causes:
- Not saying the right things in the exit meetings at the end of last year. The team as a whole came into camp slow. Did they tell them not to push so hard and come in healthy?
- Naming a captain
- Poor changes in personnel. I like Saad but is he what this team needed at that time?
- Not shoring up the defense even a little.
- Bob's off season effected Bob, but why?
- Bad personality/chemistry mix. (Having trained sales teams I have seen the effect of good players under perform due to a bad "locker room.")
- Weak preseason, prep by Richards.
- Unlucky
In the past few years this "gritty" team has been streaky, good at winning when they are winning, a high risk of losing when they are losing. It seems this year they can't remember the winning part.
This team entered the season unprepared physically and mentally. Possible causes:
- Not saying the right things in the exit meetings at the end of last year. The team as a whole came into camp slow. Did they tell them not to push so hard and come in healthy?
- Naming a captain
- Poor changes in personnel. I like Saad but is he what this team needed at that time?
- Not shoring up the defense even a little.
- Bob's off season effected Bob, but why?
- Bad personality/chemistry mix. (Having trained sales teams I have seen the effect of good players under perform due to a bad "locker room.")
- Weak preseason, prep by Richards.
- Unlucky
In the past few years this "gritty" team has been streaky, good at winning when they are winning, a high risk of losing when they are losing. It seems this year they can't remember the winning part.
Can we get rid of contracts? We should want to trade some contracts, but the problem is we have given big contracts to guys who aren't the most skilled, so when their play goes down, it really goes down. The only guys we could trade, we probably don't want too. We are pretty much stuck with the team we have, IMO.
I don't mind "growth" years if we're actually growing a good team.
Admittedly, I'm a fan of a small market baseball team, so my ability to handle rebuilding is probably better than most fans'.
Admittedly, I'm a fan of a small market baseball team, so my ability to handle rebuilding is probably better than most fans'.
That's what I was trying to get at. We can't get rid of the worst contracts so we get of not good to decent contracts which leaves us with old crap and youth.
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As the Jackets suck more the explanations of the suck suck more.
Our problems are the same problems we had before the year even started. Only the patina of last year's 15-1 run has worn off.
1) We have a bunch of middling and depth d-men, and no top pair.
2) Not enough good passers / playmakers. Lots of power forwards.
3) The guy who should be our best passer / playmaker is not a team player.
Our problems are the same problems we had before the year even started. Only the patina of last year's 15-1 run has worn off.
1) We have a bunch of middling and depth d-men, and no top pair.
2) Not enough good passers / playmakers. Lots of power forwards.
3) The guy who should be our best passer / playmaker is not a team player.
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I really think these guys mailed it in at training camp thinking they were the **** and didn't want to get hurt. Richards called them out for this to the media basically, saying he wished they had better pace and more jump. After they had a cold streak they lost faith in the system and themselves, and now I think they've lost faith in each other. Its been a domino of things that keep falling and with no end in sight.
The guys who remain here from this years team going into next years camp are going to have a hell camp. Because Torts is going to make those/these guys be exactly how he wants them.
The guys who remain here from this years team going into next years camp are going to have a hell camp. Because Torts is going to make those/these guys be exactly how he wants them.
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Good goalie, but we lean heavily on him and will only go as far as he can take us. (B+)
Good forwards, but Johansen can't seem to figure it all out, and he is the most talented player on the roster. (B-)
Poor defense. Tyutin is getting old, Prout and Cotton are borderline NHL dmen. Johnson and Savard are a good 2nd pairing. Murray has good days and bad. (C-)
At the end of the day we look like a bubble team, and if you erase our 0-8 start, we'd be just about in that neighborhood.
How can take the next step forward?
Move Joey for a dman? Not likely given his sinking stock and contract.
Hope that our D prospects can step in next season and make a difference? Not likely.
Spend big money on a UFA dman? Not going to happen either.
This is a challenge for JK/JD. They went all in building this team, and if the answers aren't in the locker room or the prospect pool, then I see mediocrity for several more years.
Good forwards, but Johansen can't seem to figure it all out, and he is the most talented player on the roster. (B-)
Poor defense. Tyutin is getting old, Prout and Cotton are borderline NHL dmen. Johnson and Savard are a good 2nd pairing. Murray has good days and bad. (C-)
At the end of the day we look like a bubble team, and if you erase our 0-8 start, we'd be just about in that neighborhood.
How can take the next step forward?
Move Joey for a dman? Not likely given his sinking stock and contract.
Hope that our D prospects can step in next season and make a difference? Not likely.
Spend big money on a UFA dman? Not going to happen either.
This is a challenge for JK/JD. They went all in building this team, and if the answers aren't in the locker room or the prospect pool, then I see mediocrity for several more years.
And that was TR's biggest shortcoming, he couldn't ever light a fire under the right *****. Solid coach, good system, but not a great motivator.
I do think they have the strongest pool of prospects in team history. I'm hopeful they'll start to push guys hard next year, get the competitive juices flowing just to keep a roster spot.
Just trying to have a conversation. With Bob's stretches of poor play, not sure we can go that high. It's a pattern, one that he hasn't been able to eliminate.
I'd actually got a bit higher with the forwards.
He had a couple of solid seasons (one outstanding before this). Someone would be happy to take a shot with him. Not sure the return, but I do know it would be good. However he would be the best player in the transaction, that usually leads to an overall loss.
Next season? Doubt it. But the next two or three? Yes
Buff and Goligoski are about it. Yandle might be out there, but he's a 3/4 offensive d-man. However there are a few veterans out there we could bring in for some stability. I wouldn't spend a ton of money on a UFA d-man.
First challenge.
Identify the weak links and remove them from the roster. Clarkson is low hanging fruit and not easy to deal with. I would start with this, who d we most want to keep.
Forwards (order means nothing)
1. Jenner
2. Calvert
3. Atkinson
4. Saad
5. Karlsson
6. Dubinsky
7. Wennberg
8. Foligno (?)
That is your core of fowards.
Hartnell and Campbell are vets and not really part of the core. I think everyone wants Johansen to figure it out and to be part of the core. Remember there are questions about the locker room being too nice. A guy like Foligno might end up being someone that kind of has to go.
Defense
1. Savard (ugh)
2. Goloubef
3. Murray
Jack Johnson could end up as trade bait. It's too soon to say Bodnarchuk us part of your core. Everyone know that Prout is a problem and Connauton is kind of all over the map. Connauton is a NHL player, so some of the borderline talk is silly. Tyutin looks like he's done, but he did have some good moments the last game. I actually don't mind Falk as the 7th d-man.
Not really a great look on D to be honest.
We know we have a pretty good prospect pool. Two really good D prospects and what I think is a solid one in Heatherington. I think he's fairly close personally. Most of the others seem like projects to me, at this point. Forwards look look with Bork, Milano, Rychel, Anderson. Chaput took a big step this season. I actually like Tynan. I like what I saw of Hannikainen.
Personally I think it's time to free up a couple of spots for Rychel and Chaput.
Oh I an remember the laughs when I suggested we dump Richards and pick up Trotz during the brief window he was available.
