Value of: Starting Goaltender to EDM
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Porter Stoutheart
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Campbell's buyout Cap hit isn't too horrific. And frankly, the Oilers could use the $3.5M savings in the coming season. All the rest of the hits dragging out for the other 7 years would be an annoyance, but the Cap should be back to regular increases in those years so the pain would be mitigated.
Anyway, if I thought he's really just not the guy, I would buy him out before I'd give up multiple 1sts++ just to move him. A $1.5M hit for next season is manageable, and if it helps the team take another step towards winning a Cup and retaining McDraisatl, nobody will care too much about the lingering dead Cap.
Anyway, if I thought he's really just not the guy, I would buy him out before I'd give up multiple 1sts++ just to move him. A $1.5M hit for next season is manageable, and if it helps the team take another step towards winning a Cup and retaining McDraisatl, nobody will care too much about the lingering dead Cap.
Roric
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Shesterkin + Laf
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Campbell + Holloway + 1st + 2nd
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Campbell + Holloway + 1st + 2nd
You eat about $14M over 7 years as opposed to $20M in 4 years. Sure, your savings are positive over the next four years and with a higher salary cap in the future, maybe not such a huge deal.
If I was an Oilers fan, I don’t think I would give up on him after a career low year. He can rebound and you also have Skinner. I would roll the dice with these two again.
ChaoticOrange
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You could replace Bailey with Barzal and it's still a swift and decisive no.
I find it interesting that Campbell is the main topic of discussion here when he was probably one of the better goaltenders in the playoffs. One has to wonder in hindsight how things would have gone had he been handed the reigns. I get the reasoning though, he gave everyone every reason to doubt him during the regular season.
ChaoticOrange
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The fact that he completely lost the trust of the coaching staff - for good reason - is a big reason why they were extremely hesitant to go to him.
Empoleon8771
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The Oilers should just sign Jarry if they clear out Campbell’s contract, but I genuinely do not see how they’ll be able to get out of Campbell’s contract. It’s a long term cap dump for a highly questionable goalie, I can’t think of any way that the cost to do that wouldn’t be astronomical.
Bounces R Way
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Will you take Campbell back?
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Mr Kot
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Isn't as bad tbh. Cap should go up in the next few years quite a bit, enough to smudge any cap buyout. The only issue keeping this from happening is probable a larger than expected Bouchard contract.
It’s just not a good way to run a team to use these buyouts frequently, even if you get a short-term savings.
Case in point, Oilers ate $4.2M of dead cap this season. Some of that drops off this year (Sekera, Lucic) but if you add Campbell to the pile, your dead cap for next season is $3.5M.
But, with a higher cap future, I agree that it does become more managable.
Beerfish
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Goaltending is 100% totally the reason the oilers are at home now.
The last two play off years the tending has been pure and utter trash.
This is 110% a win now team and all moves are being made like it is.....except...wait for it....the most important position on a team.
No I do not have time for 'lets see what we have' 'lets hope and pray and wish the guys we have will do.'
Having said all that there is ZERO chance the oilers do anything big in that department. They can't move Campbell.
(It doesn't help that the org does not think enough about goalies to actually draft one who looks really good.)
The last two play off years the tending has been pure and utter trash.
This is 110% a win now team and all moves are being made like it is.....except...wait for it....the most important position on a team.
No I do not have time for 'lets see what we have' 'lets hope and pray and wish the guys we have will do.'
Having said all that there is ZERO chance the oilers do anything big in that department. They can't move Campbell.
(It doesn't help that the org does not think enough about goalies to actually draft one who looks really good.)
Kaibur
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Kassian was owed $5.8M over 2 years and cost a 2nd, a 3rd, and a swap of 3 spots in the late 1st round.
Cambell is owed $19.5M (or $18.5M after the bonus) - that's triple the cash owed to Kassian.
Given that AZ is going lean to build a stadium, I don't think the Coyotes are a possible landing spot for Campbell. It would just be too expensive and it would have to get pretty creative in contracts and compensation.
I think the Oilers are probably stuck with Campbell and Skinner and are going to have to clear a bunch of cap elsewhere.
I'd offer the Oilers '23 3rd back for Ceci.
Or the Oilers could continue adding better defenceman in front of Skinner.
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If there's a goalie moving out of Boston it's Ullmark not Swayman you can book that.
I don't see a path where the Oilers can trade Campbell. They are stuck with him for at least another year or 2 before buyout.
May as well roll it back and see what happens.
May as well roll it back and see what happens.
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I'd take Campbell in a Hellebuyck trade, I'd even take the full deal without retention - it's not like the team is gonna be good with the trades they look set to make this summer.
However, it would definitely increase the price for Hellebuyck. I'm not dumb enough to ask for the RNHs or Bouchards but given that adding him would probably put Edmonton firmly in the win now contender camp, they wouldn't really need a lot of those prospects anymore.
However, it would definitely increase the price for Hellebuyck. I'm not dumb enough to ask for the RNHs or Bouchards but given that adding him would probably put Edmonton firmly in the win now contender camp, they wouldn't really need a lot of those prospects anymore.
Agreed. I made this pitch in the Value of Hellebuyck thread…
If the Jets rebuild, they can certainly take on Campbell’s contract and use him as our rebuilding starter with draft pick compensation.
What does each side think about the following (assumes Hellebuyck extends):
Holloway, Bourgault, 2023 2nd, 2024 1st?
That's probably in the ballpark of what it would take for Edm to shed Campbell and net Helle.
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There's not a lot of starting options available. Hell even in the OP, I wouldn't really call Gus or Swayman far more established than Skinner.
Hellbuyck would be outstanding, but the cap would be a b****, and I can't see Winnipeg taking Campbell long term deal back. Though if they're already planning to nuke the team from orbit, they may not be as uptight about that,
Gibson is likely a closer fit, He has same term remain as Campbell, and Eakins has done an outstanding job killing his value. But that extra 1.4mil is tough, and it's an in-division trade; plus I can see the Oil wanting to run with Skinner sooner rather than later.
I still think the most likely options is the Oil run it back with Campbell, and give him a chance to rebuild that trust with the coaches. He's looked good in all of his appearances since the disaster vs. the Jets, and seems like a positive influence in the locker room and towards Skinner.
Hellbuyck would be outstanding, but the cap would be a b****, and I can't see Winnipeg taking Campbell long term deal back. Though if they're already planning to nuke the team from orbit, they may not be as uptight about that,
Gibson is likely a closer fit, He has same term remain as Campbell, and Eakins has done an outstanding job killing his value. But that extra 1.4mil is tough, and it's an in-division trade; plus I can see the Oil wanting to run with Skinner sooner rather than later.
I still think the most likely options is the Oil run it back with Campbell, and give him a chance to rebuild that trust with the coaches. He's looked good in all of his appearances since the disaster vs. the Jets, and seems like a positive influence in the locker room and towards Skinner.
lanceuppercut75
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Not sure if Winnipeg goes for it, but Edmonton could try to do something around Wheeler (@50%) and Schmidt (@50%) for Campbell and Yamamoto and Edmonton adds (1st plus plus I guess, IDK the exact add, two 1sts plus? IDK)
It works with the cap and actually opens up over $1 million for EDM.
EDM IN
Wheeler, Schmidt, cheap UFA backup GK
EDM OUT
Yamamoto, Desharnais (waivers), Campbell
WPG IN
Yamamoto, Heinola (call-up), Campbell
WPG OUT
Wheeler, Schmidt, Rittich (UFA leaves)
WPG NOTE
Also probably they trade Dillon for a RHD in a separate trade with some other team (Durzi?)
The hardest part is agreeing on what Edmonton is adding and Edmonton not viewing that cost as totally crippling.
It works with the cap and actually opens up over $1 million for EDM.
EDM IN
Wheeler, Schmidt, cheap UFA backup GK
EDM OUT
Yamamoto, Desharnais (waivers), Campbell
WPG IN
Yamamoto, Heinola (call-up), Campbell
WPG OUT
Wheeler, Schmidt, Rittich (UFA leaves)
WPG NOTE
Also probably they trade Dillon for a RHD in a separate trade with some other team (Durzi?)
The hardest part is agreeing on what Edmonton is adding and Edmonton not viewing that cost as totally crippling.
