Online Series: Star Wars Andor on D+

[Stylizer1]

I agree with this idea... that I prefer my Star Wars to be more Star Warsy. That said, it's more of a preference than a rule. If it's something different and it's well done, then there's a place for it. And after these last two episodes, I'm starting to be willing to say "I like this!"

I didn't not like it but a little underwhelmed. Found the story pretty minor in significance to the over all star wars universe but then I am just a normal fan as opposed to a die hard who dissects it.

 

[Jussi]

I keep hoping they use the TV shows to branch off a new continuity post Endor and burry the JJ Abrams shit.

One could say that's what the Filoniverse is doing.

 

[Hasbro]

One could say that's what the Filoniverse is doing.

Look in your heart. You know it to be true.

 

[Hivemind]

I keep hoping they use the TV shows to branch off a new continuity post Endor and burry the JJ Abrams shit.

Not going to happen. The Mandalorian is already laying the groundwork for the First Order, and has made direct references to events present in the novelizations and video games that set up the events between the Battle of Endor and Episode 7. Operation Cinder and the Battle of Jakku are very much part of the Star Wars canon now.

Disney is hoping for the same thing to happen to the sequels as happened to the prequels. Hated when they first come out, but the public gradually softens to them as more content is released set in the same time periods (such as the Clone Wars cartoon) and younger viewers become introduced to the series through those movies rather than just nostalgia for the previous movies.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I was not expecting this show to be this good. Where the hell did this come from?

I feel like this is the Star Wars every fan has been clamoring for, FOR AGES.

I second this. To me, this is what Star Wars is about. I really enjoyed watching every episode and would gladly watch as much of this as they care to produce.

Currently watching Obi Wan, which by post-80s standards is a decent entry in the catalogue, and it doesn’t hold a candle to Andor.

 

[RobBrown4PM]

Not going to happen. The Mandalorian is already laying the groundwork for the First Order, and has made direct references to events present in the novelizations and video games that set up the events between the Battle of Endor and Episode 7. Operation Cinder and the Battle of Jakku are very much part of the Star Wars canon now.

Disney is hoping for the same thing to happen to the sequels as happened to the prequels. Hated when they first come out, but the public gradually softens to them as more content is released set in the same time periods (such as the Clone Wars cartoon) and younger viewers become introduced to the series through those movies rather than just nostalgia for the previous movies.

Prequels had the benefit of having a ton of depth (that was poorly explained on screen, but later layed out and told by Filoni with Lucas' blessing). They were also created by Lucas, who will always been forgiven by the fanbase regardless of how many times they will burn him in effigy. Whereas the sequels have less than 0 depth and have no connection to Lucas.

 

[Jussi]

Not going to happen. The Mandalorian is already laying the groundwork for the First Order, and has made direct references to events present in the novelizations and video games that set up the events between the Battle of Endor and Episode 7. Operation Cinder and the Battle of Jakku are very much part of the Star Wars canon now.

Disney is hoping for the same thing to happen to the sequels as happened to the prequels. Hated when they first come out, but the public gradually softens to them as more content is released set in the same time periods (such as the Clone Wars cartoon) and younger viewers become introduced to the series through those movies rather than just nostalgia for the previous movies.

I think you can thank Dave Filoni for first, using the cartoon series Clone Wars and Rebels to give more meaning to the prequels and second, to lay out the groundwork for the sequel movies. It would be ballsy from Disney/Lucasfilm to just ignore episodes 8 and 9, if not even 7, the more post ROTJ series show up, and the more popular they are, then it becomes easier to go with that. Even without it, Filoni is laying the groundwork for a more logical post-ROTJ universe/world.

Edit: 5 minutes late...

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Not going to happen. The Mandalorian is already laying the groundwork for the First Order, and has made direct references to events present in the novelizations and video games that set up the events between the Battle of Endor and Episode 7. Operation Cinder and the Battle of Jakku are very much part of the Star Wars canon now.

Disney is hoping for the same thing to happen to the sequels as happened to the prequels. Hated when they first come out, but the public gradually softens to them as more content is released set in the same time periods (such as the Clone Wars cartoon) and younger viewers become introduced to the series through those movies rather than just nostalgia for the previous movies.

100% and it is honestly the only smart thing to do business wise.

Wiping up the ST might satisfy the hardcore nerds, but it would hurt the credibility of the brand and make things too complicated to follow for the casual viewer.

Hoping for a "prequel effect" is their best bet.

 

[Osprey]

Perhaps it should be called the "sequel effect" because it's mostly been in the past 5 years that fans have thought that "the prequel trilogy wasn't so bad, after all." If Disney wants a similar effect, they should start developing a new trilogy that'll be even more disliked. It's not going to happen by making unrelated content that fans do like. After all, the excellence of Andor makes 'Boba Fett' and 'Kenobi' look worse, not better. Fans will continue to hate on the ST until something comes along that they hate even more. This is the way.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Perhaps it should be called the "sequel effect" because it's mostly been in the past 5 years that fans have thought that "the prequel trilogy wasn't so bad, after all." If Disney wants a similar effect, they should start developing a new trilogy that'll be even more disliked. It's not going to happen by making unrelated content that fans do like. After all, the excellence of Andor makes 'Boba Fett' and 'Kenobi' look worse, not better. Fans will continue to hate on the ST until something comes along that they hate even more. This is the way.

The prequels became more accepted once the people who grew up on them, and enjoyed the cartoons, became older.

You are just being facetious here.

 

[MadDevil]

Perhaps it should be called the "sequel effect" because it's mostly been in the past 5 years that fans have thought that "the prequel trilogy wasn't so bad, after all." If Disney wants a similar effect, they should start developing a new trilogy that'll be even more disliked. It's not going to happen by making unrelated content that fans do like. After all, the excellence of Andor makes 'Boba Fett' and 'Kenobi' look worse, not better. Fans will continue to hate on the ST until something comes along that they hate even more. This is the way.

I also think there's a generation of people for who the prequels were their entrance into Star Wars so they look at those movies differently than those who got into Star Wars with the OT. Plus I think the further away from something we get there's not as much emotion involved and we can look at things a little more objectively. I know I was one of those who was disappointed and bitched about the prequels back in the mid-to-late 2000s. I eventually grew to appreciate what story Lucas was trying to tell. By no means am I saying the prequels are actually well written, acted, and/or directed, but I can at least respect what he was trying to do.

And I'm not saying that in 20 years the sequels will have a similar softening of the vitriol surrounding them. Unlike the prequels I don't think there is a good underlying story, mainly because of the hot potato nature they chose with their directors. I think there was an interesting story to tell with the "Rey is nobody" thing they set up in TFA, but then they went the idiotic Palpatine route instead. There was an interesting story to be told with Finn, but then they basically did nothing with him. With the prequels there was at least a connectivity because it was all Lucas. That doesn't mean it was all good, but at least it actually felt like a trilogy.

 

[Osprey]

The prequels became more accepted once the people who grew up on them, and enjoyed the cartoons, became older.

You are just being facetious here.

I was also serious and the idea that the prequels are more accepted these days because people who always accepted them got older doesn't make a lot of sense. Hivemind suggested that fans who once hated the prequels have softened on them as new content has come out and I was adding to that.

I also think there's a generation of people for who the prequels were their entrance into Star Wars so they look at those movies differently than those who got into Star Wars with the OT. Plus I think the further away from something we get there's not as much emotion involved and we can look at things a little more objectively. I know I was one of those who was disappointed and bitched about the prequels back in the mid-to-late 2000s. I eventually grew to appreciate what story Lucas was trying to tell. By no means am I saying the prequels are actually well written, acted, and/or directed, but I can at least respect what he was trying to do.

And I'm not saying that in 20 years the sequels will have a similar softening of the vitriol surrounding them. Unlike the prequels I don't think there is a good underlying story, mainly because of the hot potato nature they chose with their directors. I think there was an interesting story to tell with the "Rey is nobody" thing they set up in TFA, but then they went the idiotic Palpatine route instead. There was an interesting story to be told with Finn, but then they basically did nothing with him. With the prequels there was at least a connectivity because it was all Lucas. That doesn't mean it was all good, but at least it actually felt like a trilogy.

I agree and that goes with what I was saying about fans being more generous to the PT since seeing the issues with the ST.

 

[RobBrown4PM]

Nope.

There was tons of EU stuff, plus SW:CW, TCW, and Rebels which fleshed out the prequel era and made it more accepted within the community.

 

[Osprey]

Nope.

There was tons of EU stuff, plus SW:CW, TCW, and Rebels which fleshed out the prequel era and made it more accepted within the community.

We're talking about the prequel trilogy, not the prequel era.

 

[Hasbro]

And been there, done that with the First Order or whatever. Yuhzan Vong is more intriguing to see on screen for instance.

The Jedi order turning into a sulk by Luke or Mara Jade?

Calling Thrawn showing up in the gallery before the rest of the season is over.

 

[MadDevil]

And been there, done that with the First Order or whatever. Yuhzan Vong is more intriguing to see on screen for instance.

The Jedi order turning into a sulk by Luke or Mara Jade?

Calling Thrawn showing up in the gallery before the rest of the season is over.

In this show? I doubt it. I could see somebody like Krennic showing up though. I don't think Gilroy cares much about anything other than this Rogue One adjacent universe. Plus I think they're reserving Thrawn for Ahsoka or maybe Mandalorian since Filoni is so heavily involved in those and he was the one who brought him into Rebels.

 

[Hasbro]

In this show? I doubt it. I could see somebody like Krennic showing up though. I don't think Gilroy cares much about anything other than this Rogue One adjacent universe. Plus I think they're reserving Thrawn for Ahsoka or maybe Mandalorian since Filoni is so heavily involved in those and he was the one who brought him into Rebels.

Is there a better setting for Thrawn than an art gallery?

 

[MadDevil]

Is there a better setting for Thrawn than an art gallery?

Hmmm...fair point.

 

[RobBrown4PM]

We're talking about the prequel trilogy, not the prequel era.

I'm talking about them too.

They contained a ton of depth that was never realized by Lucas. It was Filoni and others that brought the era to life afterwards. This had the effect of aiding the fanbase in coming to terms with the prequels and giving them praise.

 

[Osprey]

I'm talking about them too.

They contained a ton of depth that was never realized by Lucas. It was Filoni and others that brought the era to life afterwards. This had the effect of aiding the fanbase in coming to terms with the prequels and giving them praise.

If it wasn't realized by Lucas in the trilogy, then it wasn't in the trilogy and was depth that Filoni and company added later. You're praising the Filoni TV shows (not the prequel movies) for making that era more acceptable.

 

[Richard]

The Prequel trilogy had its problems, but the depth of the story was NEVER one of them. Lucas imagine so much and well there was some links to the story of the originals (Episode 1 and Episode 4 in particular), the story was ANYTHING but derivative. Most of the Prequel problems go to actual filmmaking and acting.

I have only seen the force awakens and the Last Jedi (once) and they are lifeless monuments to the Disney corporation. You have a non-sensical story that is never even tried to be explained (literally ALL of the major plot points occur offscreen) and just a failure to understand the characters. IT is a trainwreck.

I would highly doubt many kids will grow up and be like WOW Rey so cool. Whereas my cousin still has his Mace Windu lightsaber

 

[Scandale du Jour]

The Prequel trilogy had its problems, but the depth of the story was NEVER one of them. Lucas imagine so much and well there was some links to the story of the originals (Episode 1 and Episode 4 in particular), the story was ANYTHING but derivative. Most of the Prequel problems go to actual filmmaking and acting.

I have only seen the force awakens and the Last Jedi (once) and they are lifeless monuments to the Disney corporation. You have a non-sensical story that is never even tried to be explained (literally ALL of the major plot points occur offscreen) and just a failure to understand the characters. IT is a trainwreck.

I would highly doubt many kids will grow up and be like WOW Rey so cool. Whereas my cousin still has his Mace Windu lightsaber

If they never make any other material featuring her, I also highly doubt many kids will grow up and be like WOW Rey so cool.

People did not like Anakin as a character (or at least the portrayal) before he was fleshed out in the Clone Wars series.

Now, is there a way to flesh out Rey in the same veign? Probably not.

 

[Hivemind]

Yuhzan Vong is more intriguing to see on screen for instance.

Dear Lord No. If there's one example to illustrate how most of the stuff in the EU is crap, the Yuhzan Vong is that example.

 

[Very Stable Genius]

Sad, but also somewhat expected to be honest. Should have junked BOBF and rolled with this.

Andor’s Audience Demand Is Lowest Of All Star Wars Shows, Study Reveals

 

[I am not exposed]

Sad, but also somewhat expected to be honest. Should have junked BOBF and rolled with this.

Andor’s Audience Demand Is Lowest Of All Star Wars Shows, Study Reveals

I knew that would happen. Unfortunately.

Their best show so far, but not enough LigHTsabeRS for some people!