Online Series: Star Wars: Ahsoka (August 23rd)

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

Somewhere in a galaxy far, far away... people who have forsaken sex are fighting for galactic dominance.

EDIT: It could be happening on this board too, but I wouldn't know anything about that..

So, basically, you are getting your panties in a twist and feel threatened because there's not enough sex in kids movies and entertainment? I'm sure you can find cosplay on OnlyFans.

 

[RandV]

I enjoyed it, bbut the whole "Don't lose the macguffin, oh she lost the macguffin now we have to go on this big quest to find the macguffin" storytelling device is getting pretty tired.

I was thinking the same thing at first but putting some thought into it at the end it does actually mostly check out this team, and more importantly is only a short lived plot device for the hero's.

There's basically 3 parties here: the witch, Ahsoka, and the mercenary Jedi. The witch and her imperial remnants already knows where they need to go to retrieve Thrawn from exile, as the bit at the end shows there's been a construction project in place for a good while now to do so. For whatever reason though at one of her order's temple there's a macguffin that shows how to get to this other galaxy... this is where things stretch a bit but I guess it's not the worst, maybe it's an old relic of significance to her order.

So when Ahsoka captures the witch she's able to beat that information out of her, for some reason thinking this will lead her to Ezra. While the witch is jailed the mercenary party come in as a 3rd party contingency plan to bust her out, and then are used to retrieve the macguffin/make sure Ahsoka can't use it. They don't know what it does either though until the witch shows them, and they join up full time.

It would be better if it wasn't so convoluted but like I said at least you can make some sense out of it, unlike Rise of Skywalker which was just pure nonsense.

 

[#37]

So, basically, you are getting your panties in a twist and feel threatened because there's not enough sex in kids movies and entertainment? I'm sure you can find cosplay on OnlyFans.

Oh dear, better I suggest you be more careful in the future or the misogyny police will come along to remove you from your moral high ground. Oh, wait... he actually likes your post. Nice! Well done to you both.... I think we are done here. ...for the foreseeable future.

Thank you so much for stopping by, I really mean it, you have been a great help to me.

 

[AlanHUK]

Some well meaning jabs:

- Say what you want about the evils of the Empire, but they at least had some style compared to this New Republic. I mean security troops in a nice gentle blue uniform?

- I love how when the apprentice ran Sabine through with a lightsaber she conveniently pulled it straight through leaving a clean hole that can be patched up, rather than swiping sideways and cutting her in half.

Military bad guys always dress well it's such an odd trope

I don't think Baylan and Shin are outright bad guys, Baylan outright said he didn't want to kill Ahsoka, I'd expect his apprentice would follow the same line of thinking and not want to kill her 'apprentice'.

I like that they didn't just wander onto the ship and slaughter everyone, they tried to achieve their objective without violence at first, only when threatened did they start killing.

Lightsaber being orange, not red, also leans into them not being outright evil (Dark Side)

 

[MadDevil]

To be fair, cutting somebody in half with a lightsaber isn't guaranteed death in the Star Wars universe either lol

 

[RobBrown4PM]

Could be more 'Andor' serious, but its good. Ahsoka is one of my fav. characters in the franchise. Love seeing hearing David Tenant again, his voice melts like butter in my mouth. And Ray Stevenson of course is a delight (RIP) THIRTEEN!!!!!!

 

[RobBrown4PM]

Some well meaning jabs:


- Say what you want about the evils of the Empire, but they at least had some style compared to this New Republic. I mean security troops in a nice gentle blue uniform? And the fish guy has flippers for hands, how does he handle a blaster?

History is full of dumb military uniforms that have no practical purpose. In fact, they detract from their intended purpose.

And almost every other Victorian era battle dress.

Oh, and stop being a racist towards the Mon Calamari, you fishcist!

 

[Jack Straw]

???

 

[Bounces R Way]

Not bad. Didn't realize it was just going to be a continuation of the Rebels series. I assumed they'd be connected but not this interwoven. Having seen that show I had no problem picking up where it left off but I wonder how it is for the people that haven't. Sets kind of reminded me of a cartoon honestly, didn't have the same real world feel of Andor.

The temple thing with the map.. I dunno seems clumsy to have an ancient race of force weilding aliens build a map straight to Thrawn. I don't need my plots all that cohesive and complex but c'mon. That's just stupid. As far as a 1st arc goes I guess it's fine, but hopefully they've saved the better writing for later in the season.

As far as the characters the only one I didn't like much so far was Ahsoka herself. I like Rosario Dawson but I hope she's got more in store than crossing her arms and looking smug and critical. This is supposed to be her story, if all the character development they have planned for her is a warming up to an apprentice again because she's been hurt before that feels a little too safe and simple. If she's already a full fledged Jedi all calm and collected and knowing then I'm not sure what the point of the show is.

 

[Felidae]

So as someone who hasn't watched any of the cartoons and such... it's ok so far? Not bad but a little bland. Not gonna comment on the character dynamics yet other than it feels like I'm definitely missing something lol.


I do wish the choreography had a bit more style to it but definitely an improvement over Obi Wan and Boba Fett (so far). Although honestly that's a gripe I have with most live action star wars content.

No qualms with the acting for the most part but no stand outs just yet. I like Ray Stevenson and the apprentice. Their introduction was actually pretty menacing and they pull off the sith look quite naturally. They also feel pretty grounded as antagonists which is more than I can say for all of these live action star wars shows besides Andor.

From what I've seen Rosario seems faithful to the cartoons though I hope she shows a bit more range as the show progresses. The only one that isn't really doing it for me is actually Mary Elizabeth's character. The performance feels mailed in and I don't like saying that since she's very good in the stuff I've seen her in. Maybe I'm alone in this opinion though.

Anyways, I really wanna like this but I'm not feeling it just yet. I'll probably stick around since I'm a sucker for the star wars universe (i did watch obi wan and boba fett after all despite being bored half the time), and maybe I'll watch the relevant plot points of the cartoon series in the meantime.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

This show might be the most elite Star Wars series...in the galaxy!

 

[Raekwon]

great start can't wait for Tuesday

 

[Tawnos]

"Then I will avenge him"
"Revenge is not the Jedi way"
"I am no Jedi"



Come on dude, right there in her own words. The "I am no Jedi" line is not just rejecting the label of being Jedi, but also rejecting the Jedi notions towards vengeance and attachment. She's very clearly willing to allow emotions and attachments to others into her relationship with the force. While she doesn't follow that attachment and passion down the same path as Anakin (and eventually learns how Anakin is turned by it), she was still Anakin's padawan before that. And, heck, it's her attachment to and faith in Anakin that causes her to reject Maul in Clone Wars.

If it was just the "I'm a citizen" bit from the Siege of Mandalore arc, I would get where you're coming from, but there's a lot more to it than that. It's not just about rejecting the label and the politics.

Every single Jedi goes into that confrontation in those circumstances and what she says in that moment is really no different than "I will do what I must." The point I'm trying to make is that she distinguishes herself from the Jedi while doing exactly what a Jedi does and that part of her journey is coming to accept that aspect of herself. She *is* a Jedi in action, whatever she calls herself in reality. The woman we see in this show is one who is better in tune with who she is and it shows in her connection to the Force (and the serenity that comes with that). Even then, that tuning might not be perfect. Keep citing examples of things she's done before we get to this moment that inform her journey, but none of them dictate where she is in 11 BBY.

Btw, the name of the episode of The Mandalorian that she's in is The Jedi. Written and directed by Dave Filoni, so clearly there's still some ambiguity here.

 

[Hivemind]

Every single Jedi goes into that confrontation in those circumstances and what she says in that moment is really no different than "I will do what I must." The point I'm trying to make is that she distinguishes herself from the Jedi while doing exactly what a Jedi does and that part of her journey is coming to accept that aspect of herself. She *is* a Jedi in action, whatever she calls herself in reality. The woman we see in this show is one who is better in tune with who she is and it shows in her connection to the Force (and the serenity that comes with that). Even then, that tuning might not be perfect. Keep citing examples of things she's done before we get to this moment that inform her journey, but none of them dictate where she is in 11 BBY.

Strongly disagree with your interpretation of that scene.

Her rejection of the Jedi name there isn't just about rejecting the title. She's actively using it to simultaneously compare and contrast herself to Vader/Anakin. She's the counterpoint to Anakin. As his padawan, she ended up embracing many of the same things that led to Anakin's downfall. She's passionate. She feels deep attachments to those around her. And in that moment, she wants vengeance. Those are not in line with Jedi teachings, and she's actively rejecting the label of Jedi not just rejecting the title, but to demonstrate that one can reject portions of the Jedi teachings without falling to the dark side as Anakin has done. That's what makes post-Clone Wars Ahsoka an interesting character. She's the version of Anakin that manages to stay attuned with the light side of the force, despite all the aspects that the Jedi perceived as "flawed" or "dangerous" in Anakin. She's a light side force user, but she's very definitely not a Jedi. And if the writers decide this has changed by 11BBY, then I think it's (likely) to be to the detriment of the character.

I also disagree that the Ahsoka we've seen so far in this show is "serene." Stoic? Yeah, I could agree with that. But serenity implies a calmness and acceptance that we haven't seen from her. She's clearly still troubled, she's just suppressing her troubles as best she can.

Btw, the name of the episode of The Mandalorian that she's in is The Jedi. Written and directed by Dave Filoni, so clearly there's still some ambiguity here.

That's more of a narrative thing. Din is searching for a Jedi to train Grogu, and to anyone not deeply versed in Jedi lore (such as Bo Katan who sends him to Ahsoka), Ahsoka would appear to be a Jedi. Calling the episode "the Force Hermit" or "that character that only cartoon watchers will appreciate" doesn't have the same poetry and appeal to casual fans.

 

[Tawnos]

Strongly disagree with your interpretation of that scene.

Her rejection of the Jedi name there isn't just about rejecting the title. She's actively using it to simultaneously compare and contrast herself to Vader/Anakin. She's the counterpoint to Anakin. As his padawan, she ended up embracing many of the same things that led to Anakin's downfall. She's passionate. She feels deep attachments to those around her. And in that moment, she wants vengeance. Those are not in line with Jedi teachings, and she's actively rejecting the label of Jedi not just rejecting the title, but to demonstrate that one can reject portions of the Jedi teachings without falling to the dark side as Anakin has done. That's what makes post-Clone Wars Ahsoka an interesting character. She's the version of Anakin that manages to stay attuned with the light side of the force, despite all the aspects that the Jedi perceived as "flawed" or "dangerous" in Anakin. She's a light side force user, but she's very definitely not a Jedi. And if the writers decide this has changed by 11BBY, then I think it's (likely) to be to the detriment of the character.

I also disagree that the Ahsoka we've seen so far in this show is "serene." Stoic? Yeah, I could agree with that. But serenity implies a calmness and acceptance that we haven't seen from her. She's clearly still troubled, she's just suppressing her troubles as best she can.


That's more of a narrative thing. Din is searching for a Jedi to train Grogu, and to anyone not deeply versed in Jedi lore (such as Bo Katan who sends him to Ahsoka), Ahsoka would appear to be a Jedi. Calling the episode "the Force Hermit" or "that character that only cartoon watchers will appreciate" doesn't have the same poetry and appeal to casual fans.

I think you're putting too much stock into the beliefs of one specific of era of Jedi when those beliefs formed a large basis of the downfall of the Order, or at the very least left them vulnerable to being manipulated into their downfall. The Clone Wars-era Jedi are unreliable sources when it comes to what makes a Jedi or not. The OT actually made this point to begin with. Yoda has plenty of wisdom to impart, but Luke doesn't follow his actual advice and is better off for it.

Keep in mind that I'm of the opinion that Luke, at the end of Return of the Jedi and no matter his failures later, is the ultimate paragon of what it means to be a Jedi. He holds deep attachments and he is passionate about his attachments, his causes, and his beliefs. But he's also willing to let go of them if necessary. What makes a Jedi are these things and more, not dogma and not admittance into the club.

So it comes down to who you believe to be the authority on what makes a Jedi. If you believe it's the Jedi of the Clone Wars-era, then sure... Ahsoka is not a Jedi. But then, neither should Luke be... or Qui Gon, for that matter. Obi Wan, too, has plenty of attachments. If you believe that Lucas showed us that the Jedi leadership during the Clone Wars are not the ultimate authority but rather those the story is telling us are the true Jedi, then Ahsoka still fits the criteria in everything but title.

Maybe serenity isn't the right word, but neither is stoic. Luke isn't untroubled either. Nor is Qui Gon. Nor Obi Wan. I don't think Ahsoka is suppressing anything. I think she's not allowing her doubts and concerns control her, which is part of being a Jedi. I guess we'll see.

Regarding the title of the episode, there are plenty of other choices Filoni could've made for an episode title that aren't as clumsy as any of that. The title doesn't matter *that* much in reality, so the fact that Filoni specifically chose that title says something to me.

 

[Baby Punisher]

Some well meaning jabs:

- I guess it's a Star Wars thing now that the star map McGuffin well be conveniently found in some ancient ruins and be some sort of puzzle? Is there a 'DM' somewhere behind the scenes placing these things?
- Say what you want about the evils of the Empire, but they at least had some style compared to this New Republic. I mean security troops in a nice gentle blue uniform? And the fish guy has flippers for hands, how does he handle a blaster?
- And did they just slap a pack of pills on Hera's flight jacket and call it a generals patch?

Spoiler

- I love how when the apprentice ran Sabine through with a lightsaber she conveniently pulled it straight through leaving a clean hole that can be patched up, rather than swiping sideways and cutting her in half.

Seriously though, I never watched the animated series but I enjoyed it. The other shows on Disney+ don't really add anything new to the broader Star Wars stories, Fett/Obi Wan/Andor is just rehashing old stuff while Mandolrian is kind of a long running series of side quests. Can't tell how good it will be in the grand scheme of things yet but Ahsoka is moving the post-RotJ story forward in a way that the sequel trilogy should have.

That's something that has been bugging me as of late Suddenly we see people surviving being stabbed through the body with a lightsaber when it used to be a kill shot 99% of the time.

 

[Bounces R Way]

That's something that has been bugging me as of late Suddenly we see people surviving being stabbed through the body with a lightsaber when it used to be a kill shot 99% of the time.

Star Wars has never been a bastion of consistency.

What exactly is a 'deflector shield' and how come they only work to serve plot? Is hyperspace one speed or... what? Because half the time a entire fleet shows up 20 minutes after they're called from halfway across the Galaxy. Other times it is made to be a lengthy journey of many days to travel system to system. Does that Stormtrooper armor actually serve a purpose or is it just decoration, because any time they get hit with anything they go flying across the floor.

 

[Osprey]

Star Wars has never been a bastion of consistency.

What exactly is a 'deflector shield' and how come they only work to serve plot? Is hyperspace one speed or... what? Because half the time a entire fleet shows up 20 minutes after they're called from halfway across the Galaxy. Other times it is made to be a lengthy journey of many days to travel system to system. Does that Stormtrooper armor actually serve a purpose or is it just decoration, because any time they get hit with anything they go flying across the floor.

Stormtrooper armor has been pretty consistent for 46 years... consistently useless. If Stormtroopers were to suddenly take lots of blaster hits and keep fighting, that would be a surprise and probably criticized, as well. If something has been a certain way for so long, like Stormtrooper armor being useless and lightsabers being deadly, it shouldn't be changed or defended because something else (like ship speed) hasn't been consistent. Inconsistency shouldn't excuse more inconsistency.

 

[MadDevil]

I always laugh at the scene in Rebels where Rex takes the strormtrooper helmet off because he can't see well enough in it. I think he gripes about the armor at one point too. Clone troopers know how shitty stormtrooper armor is.

 

[John Price]

Meh.

‘Ahsoka’ First Episode Clocks 14M Views Worldwide On Disney+, Per Studio – Update

'Ahsoka' Viewership: 1.2M Households First Episode, Down From 'Obi-Wan'

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[I am not exposed]

Meh.

‘Ahsoka’ First Episode Clocks 14M Views Worldwide On Disney+, Per Studio – Update

'Ahsoka' Viewership: 1.2M Households First Episode, Down From 'Obi-Wan'

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I wonder if it will increase in time like Andor.

 

[Tawnos]

That's something that has been bugging me as of late Suddenly we see people surviving being stabbed through the body with a lightsaber when it used to be a kill shot 99% of the time.

The funny thing is that a clean lightsaber wound through non-vital organs really should be more survivable than a gunshot wound to a similar place, since the wound is essentially immediately cauterized and there isn't any bleeding, plus the impact isn't nearly as traumatic. It makes perfect sense that people would survive wounds like that regularly.... but it's odd that we're seeing it so often.

 

[Lt Dan]

That's something that has been bugging me as of late Suddenly we see people surviving being stabbed through the body with a lightsaber when it used to be a kill shot 99% of the time.

Exactly.
and Qui Gon be like

 

[Hivemind]

I always laugh at the scene in Rebels where Rex takes the strormtrooper helmet off because he can't see well enough in it. I think he gripes about the armor at one point too. Clone troopers know how shitty stormtrooper armor is.

I believe it's the same episode, but Kanaan also says "this armor doesn't protect you from anything"

 

[Osprey]

That isn't entirely true. Stormtrooper armor does protect the wearer from nasty gashes caused by low doorways.