Online Series: Star Wars: Ahsoka (August 23rd)

[LarKing]

Makes perfect sense to me. I don't know how 'canon' it is with Rebels but in the books that created Thrawn for the idea of 'so where were the Grand Admiral's before?', it was written that the rest of them were on that big super star destroyer that the rebels targeted and took out at Endor, crashing it into the death star.

So the idea is Emperor Palpatine is all powerful, so when the super star destroyer and the death star are blown up there's no succession, no one powerful enough to step up and take charge. The rebel's cut off the head but they don't exactly annihilate the imperial forces at Endor, so they all break apart into a bunch of different factions. No single one dangerous enough to directly threaten the burgeoning New Republic, but still with significant firepower that it would be costly and bloody to wipe them all out.

So simply put the threat of Thrawn is not only is he an exceedingly dangerous military mind, but he's the one guy left in the galaxy with enough clout to unite all the Imperial remnants behind him. The king is dead, long live the king!

Well said. I was going to respond with something similar but much simpler wording haha.

 

[Bounces R Way]

It's a TV streaming show. Cost to show a full fleet battle is too great. Easier to do in animation.

I thought Disney had the bottomless pit of money. Doesn't need to be an extended battle to the end but if you're introducing Thrawn as a character we should at least see an extended space engagement.

Makes perfect sense to me. I don't know how 'canon' it is with Rebels but in the books that created Thrawn for the idea of 'so where were the Grand Admiral's before?', it was written that the rest of them were on that big super star destroyer that the rebels targeted and took out at Endor, crashing it into the death star.

So the idea is Emperor Palpatine is all powerful, so when the super star destroyer and the death star are blown up there's no succession, no one powerful enough to step up and take charge. The rebel's cut off the head but they don't exactly annihilate the imperial forces at Endor, so they all break apart into a bunch of different factions. No single one dangerous enough to directly threaten the burgeoning New Republic, but still with significant firepower that it would be costly and bloody to wipe them all out.

So simply put the threat of Thrawn is not only is he an exceedingly dangerous military mind, but he's the one guy left in the galaxy with enough clout to unite all the Imperial remnants behind him. The king is dead, long live the king!

Well explained. Thrawn is seen as the last possibility to reunite the remnants of the Empire into a single force capable of contending with the New Republic, both in Legends and the EU as well as the actual canon now. If Filoni planned on Ahsoka being 3 seasons I would have to think he's the major villain for the majority of it.

I don't think you have this quite right. Those slower scenes are there, for example a 'blind' training session while in transit on a ship. Rather the difference is it doesn't have the cast of characters to create the effect you want here. Obi-wan training Luke with the blast helmet on had Han in the room making quips. In Ahsoka it was just her and Sabine in the room, with a mostly silent droid. I don't know the animated shows but at a glance I suspect Hera should fill that 'Han' role, but she's not there and at this point in the story she's post-RotJ respectable General Han, not roguish smuggler Han. There's also the Ezra guy that's missing from the picture.

No it doesn't, you're right. That's still only 1:35 in 4 episodes so far. There's no Alec Guiness or Harrison Ford or Mark Hamill or Carrie Fisher or 3PO true. Maybe I need to start not holding that against new SW content but I've found that challenging. It's not like they've made just shit, I think there is a ton of redeemable content in there. But since the prequels the sequels and every other SW project since and in between I've been waiting for something as character driven as the OT. I have high hopes for the Lando movie they're going to make if Donald Glover reprises his role as young Lando.

 

[Ben Grimm]

Spoiler

Asohka could have destroyed the map with her light saber.

 

[HanSolo]

Spoiler

Asohka could have destroyed the map with her light saber.

I got the sense that she might have still been hoping to use the map to find Ezra. Otherwise, why try to grab it? My understanding of why she told Sabine to destroy it is, at that point, Ashoka was cornered and injured, Sabine would be too inexperienced to help her take Baylan and his...I guess apprentice to make a clean break with the map.

 

[HanSolo]

Sabine notices Ezra sneaking out (presumably to his likely death or capture) and chooses to distract Hera in order for Ezra to do so. It does seem somewhat out of character for to help the Empire, who she has deep personal loathing towards for multiple reasons, in order to aid Ezra.

Couldn't it also be that in that given situation, she would certainly be killed if she destroyed the map, but handing over, knowing Ashoka couldn't help her anymore, at least there's some small chance Baylan would make good on his promise and even if he didn't maybe there'd be a small opportunity for her to get to Ezra anyway?

I mean I get the whole she's a character that would likely give her life stopping the Empire's plans and all but maybe she saw an opportunity there?

 

[MadDevil]

I think people are overthinking it. Since Rebels Sabine has lost her actual family, seen Mandalore destroyed, and had a falling out with her master (which to Sabine probably feels like being abandoned). I think the thought of getting Ezra back was just that powerful for her and Baylan played on it. Even normally strong characters can have moments of weakness.

 

[Ben Grimm]

I got the sense that she might have still been hoping to use the map to find Ezra. Otherwise, why try to grab it? My understanding of why she told Sabine to destroy it is, at that point, Ashoka was cornered and injured, Sabine would be too inexperienced to help her take Baylan and his...I guess apprentice to make a clean break with the map.

@HanSolo Agreed.

Spoiler

She could have used the force to move the map instead of burning her hand.

 

[Felidae]

I agree with the comments defending Sabine's decision to give the map up from a story standpoint.

But even looking at it logically, she couldnt even defeat Baylan's apprentice. If she didn't give it up, there's nothing preventing Baylan from taking the map using the force and killing her, or at the very least, subduing her with ease.

We also saw that a Saber had difficulty destroying the map, I don't think she'd have time to destroy anyways without the above happening.

It's not like Sabine is packed with gadgets like Din Djarin (main character from Mandalorian)

 

[Ben Grimm]

... But even looking at it logically, she couldnt even defeat Baylan's apprentice. ...

Spoiler

Sabine defeated the apprentice who then ran away.

 

[Sad People]

We also saw that a Saber had difficulty destroying the map, I don't think she'd have time to destroy anyways without the above happening.

Agreed. Baylan had to hold his saber in the map for a few seconds atleast before it finally was destroyed. I dont think a swipe of the saber would do done anything to it.

 

[Warden of the North]

Ep4 was outstanding. One of the best episodes of Star Wars TV yet.

It all so reminded me (seeing a proper Republic fleet) how annoyed I am that in the sequel trilogy the Republic "fleet" consists of like eight X-Wings.

****. I'm so annoyed that the sequel trilogy is canon. It just doesn't fit with the canon that is being established in the shows.

 

[Richard]

If we don't get an Imperial Fleet/Thrawn/Imperial March scene Dave is seriously negligent.

 

[HanSolo]

Ep4 was outstanding. One of the best episodes of Star Wars TV yet.

It all so reminded me (seeing a proper Republic fleet) how annoyed I am that in the sequel trilogy the Republic "fleet" consists of like eight X-Wings.

****. I'm so annoyed that the sequel trilogy is canon. It just doesn't fit with the canon that is being established in the shows.

I mean. Yet?

Seems fairly obvious that the Imperial Remnant referred to becomes the First Order. The Resistance, as lame as the concept is in hindsight, was not affiliated with or funded by the Republic and had a separate fleet. That's just my memory from what the movies told us. The New Republic Fleet was destroyed in TFA.

 

[Tawnos]

Ep4 was outstanding. One of the best episodes of Star Wars TV yet.

It all so reminded me (seeing a proper Republic fleet) how annoyed I am that in the sequel trilogy the Republic "fleet" consists of like eight X-Wings.

****. I'm so annoyed that the sequel trilogy is canon. It just doesn't fit with the canon that is being established in the shows.

To be fair, we never actually see the Republic fleet in the ST. To what @HanSolo said, the Resistance wasn't the New Republic. They also didn't do an especially good job making that clear.

 

[Sad People]

Ahsoka just leveled up. We finally got Ahsoka the white.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Not gonna lie, had a few nerdgasms.

However, someone who is not very familiar with both CW and Rebels won't be able to enjoy it as much. They'll be able to follow just fine and can like it, but it won't hit as hard.

As a fan of both shows, I thought that episode was even better than the 4th.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Yup, just finished watching Episode 5. Better than 4.

First 30 minutes were something like 9.5/10 for me. The next 20 or so were a 7/10. And then the end/anticipation for what's next were 10/10.

 

[Very Stable Genius]

Not gonna lie, had a few nerdgasms.

However, someone who is not very familiar with both CW and Rebels won't be able to enjoy it as much. They'll be able to follow just fine and can like it, but it won't hit as hard.

As a fan of both shows, I thought that episode was even better than the 4th.

Exactly my experience, no interest in Rebels so I thought it was very meh. Hyperspace Whales? That's some Leia/Mary Poppins in Space level stuff LOL. Series wasn't meant for me though.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Exactly my experience, no interest in Rebels so I thought it was very meh. Hyperspace Whales? That's some Leia/Mary Poppins in Space level stuff LOL.

The whale stuff, to me -- someone who has watched all of Clone Wars & Rebels -- is the weak point.

The "flashbacks" were the highlights for me.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Exactly my experience, no interest in Rebels so I thought it was very meh. Hyperspace Whales? That's some Leia/Mary Poppins in Space level stuff LOL.

That's how Ezra defeated Thrawn. So Ahsoka using the whales to get to Ezra makes sense.

Ezra knew about them because he had encountered them before.

The concept is meh, but given the fact that it was established before, it works fine for this story.

That being said, someone who hasn't seen Rebels will very likely find it stupid. They did explain it VERY briefly with like a line of exposition (Jacen telling Hera it was exactly like the story she told him). But, yeah, I totally get why someone would roll their eyes... but as a Rebels fan, I loved every minute of it.

 

[Richard]

What the f*** was THAT?

Holy shit that was stupid. Sorry guys I'm just not into childrens tales. Why did they make everything so damn convoluted and stupid.

Space Slugs???? REALLY? Thats the ONLY thing they could think of? Make a MacGuffin to set up SPACE SLUGS????? THAT GO THROUGH HYPERSPACE? haahahahahahahahah

What do they shit the force next?

Welp kids, I AM OUT.

I'll cancel Disney plus until Andor comes out. Star Wars is pure trash. How about just tell a good f***ing story for ONCE.

SPACE SLUGS THAT SHIT HYPERSPACE.

Great one, Dave

 

[HanSolo]

I haven't gotten home to watch yet so thankfully y'all are being chill on spoilers, but are space whales really that much more ridiculous than a lovecraftian mega monster in the Kessel run, a giant slug living on an asteroid, or a giant monster whose mouth is a pit in the middle of a mostly empty desert?

Edit: well that one was more spoilery.

 

[Richard]

I haven't gotten home to watch yet so thankfully y'all are being chill on spoilers, but are space whales really that much more ridiculous than a lovecraftian mega monster in the Kessel run, a giant slug living on an asteroid, or a giant monster whose mouth is a pit in the middle of a mostly empty desert?

Edit: well that one was more spoilery.

YES

 

[GabeTravels]

The memories/flashbacks were incredible. I wasn't prepared for the impact seeing Padawan Ahsoka would have on me, haha. The actress did very well and I loved every second of it. I wish we had more, rumor has it an Anakin/Ahsoka fight on Mustafar was cut.

The Purrgil worked for me having seen Rebels, but it's definitely a weak point not well explained for those who haven't.

Their introduction into the mythology were handled pretty well in Rebels, and I wish they got more of an explanation for those who are new to them.

 

[GabeTravels]

What the f*** was THAT?

Holy shit that was stupid. Sorry guys I'm just not into childrens tales. Why did they make everything so damn convoluted and stupid.

Space Slugs???? REALLY? Thats the ONLY thing they could think of? Make a MacGuffin to set up SPACE SLUGS????? THAT GO THROUGH HYPERSPACE? haahahahahahahahah

What do they shit the force next?

Welp kids, I AM OUT.

I'll cancel Disney plus until Andor comes out. Star Wars is pure trash. How about just tell a good f***ing story for ONCE.

SPACE SLUGS THAT SHIT HYPERSPACE.

Great one, Dave

To each their own, but I don't think Rebels is a "children's tale." At least no moreso than any other Star Wars.

The Purrgil are expanded on pretty decently in Rebels, and feel part of the world/mythology in my opinion. They establish that the hyperdrive was invented after studying them. Works for me, maybe not you.

I think it's worthy to criticize the show not bringing non-Rebels viewers more up to speed. Definitely a downside to a show within this connected universe. But for me and pretty much everyone I've talked to that's seen Rebels, the show is hitting very well.