Online Series: Star Trek Strange New Worlds Season 2 (LOWER DECK CROSSOVER ALERT)

Jussi

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Yeah. I don't like the trend of shows being 6-10 episodes long. It's way too short. Used to be about 22 episodes a season for many shows.
Due to actors other commitments, it's hard to get anyone signed for anything longer than 10 episodes. Coupled with the CGI and the heavy backlog in that area across the industry, the days of 10+ episode seasons in streaming are over.
 

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Every season of Discovery has been 13-15 episodes and Stranger Things Season 4 was 13 hours, or the equivalent of 13-15 episodes. They can still make such longer seasons if they want to, but need good reasons to.
 
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Every season of Discovery has been 13-15 episodes and Stranger Things Season 4 was 13 hours, or the equivalent of 13-15 episodes. They can still make such longer seasons if they want to, but need good reasons to.
Discovery's next season is going to be 10 episodes.
 

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Discovery's next season is going to be 10 episodes.

I know. It's probably because it'll be the first season not paid for and distributed by Netflix. Paramount evidently prefers 10-episode seasons, but can obviously do more if they need to.
 
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Watching episode 9 right now.…. the Gorn are…. Alien. Really awful. The series started well, but really going down hill.
 

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I love it. The Gorn were in one very dumb episode of TOS. This is much more interesting.

Like I said, I think it went down hill some towards the end of the season. The Gorn were awful for a number of reasons. That said I like a lot of the characters and some of the recurring storylines and more than half the season. Also though, killing the Andorian was a dumb move. So we’ll see. Some of the other Star Trek series had some bad storylines/races while also having some great storylines/races.

The Gorn are far more intimidating than ever before in this one and I love it.

Do you mean before that episode or this series? In the case of the latter I have no frame of reference. With regards to this series, as bad as they were in episode 9, it really doesn’t sit well with me considering how they were portrayed earlier in the season. Those Alienesque rat dogs fly ships? OK.
 

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Carefully read what you wrote. It was unintendedly funny and he was just making a joke about it.
Did you even read what you wrote? :laugh:

Of course I read it. I thought I was excellent. It was my best on-screen performance to date. Of course the dipstick they cast as Kirk helped me look a bit better, but I was still fantastic.

In all seriousness, doh! I see it now... :oops:
 

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Now I just need to decide if Discovery is worth watching
Exhale, accept things you cannot change, and if you dont like it, just turn it off. Took me 4 seasons of Disco and 2 Picards to finally say - No more. SNW /Orville/Lower Decks even prodigy are more in tune with me.
 
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Now I just need to decide if Discovery is worth watching.

It starts of rough, fixes a lot of things season 2 canonwise, gets better in season 3 and sets off on it's own "canon free" in season 4. The production values are top notch. You can also see the effects of Covid on seasons 3 and 4 with some characters suddenly not appearing on an episode. Plus Tig Natarro had major back surgery during season 3.
 
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Finally watched the first episode. It was mostly good. It felt a lot more Star-Trek-y than Discovery or Picard did. It was hopeful, idealistic, had a sense of wonder and exploration, and in spite of the mildly heavy-handed bit of moralizing (wherein it used the last US election fallout as the stepping stone to the Eugenics Wars and WWIII) I never felt like it was browbeating me with the core of its morality play aspects the way that I feel like a lot of shows do now (as if they're so afraid that the audience can't put 2 and 2 together and figure out what the metaphor is that the end up making it obvious and screaming "GET IT? DO YOU GET IT?! WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS THING THAT'S REAL AND RIGHT NOW!")

I could do with a little bit less of the goofy casual nature of the characters. I don't mind them being a bit familial/familiar with each other, but that should feel earned from our perspective and not just thrown at us. But mostly I could do without the endless parade of "REFERENCES!" fanservice. It's episode 1 of this series and we've had:

-Admiral April
-T'Pring (because f*** continuity, I guess)
-Dr. M'Benga
-Nurse Chapel
-Uhura
-Sam Kirk
-Transporter Chief Kyle
-A main character with the "Noonian-Singh" surname FOR NO GODDAMNED REASON! (this was the worst. Her character had absolutely zero need to have that name given the backstory we get. I know it's probably meant to pay off down the line, but you could make her the secret descendent of a Eugenics War superhuman without it having to be the one everyone remembers but this era of Trek should have no knowledge of)
-the wink-and-a-nod smirky Prime Directive line at the end
-The USS Archer (less of an issue because it's exactly the kind of reference that should be the chief vehicle for fanservice)

and more I can't remember.

2 or 3 of these are fine to appear at once. But it was just nod after nod after nod after nod after "LOOK AT THIS THING YOU REMEMBER FROM OTHER SHOWS!" that it became overkill.

Constant, excessive referencing and familiar characters make the universe feel small. It shouldn't It should feel vast an expansive and maybe from time to time you run into a familiar face.

This is like going on an unannounced vacation to the bahamas, getting on the plane and finding yourself sitting next to your doctor. Then you check in at the hotel and your room is next to your boss. And then down at the bar you're 3 seats over from your neighbor. And the next day when you head 2 towns over from your hotel to check out an art exhibit you run into your 10th grade teacher. And then on the way back you find out that the taxi company you're using was started by the girl you had a crush on when you were 9.

I also thought the magic hypospray plastic surgery was a bit much. For the entirety of TOS and TNG they did it the old fashioned way (with fancy 23rd/24th century tools that might include magic laser fields for cutting/sculpting, but that's it).

Still, I was intrigued enough to carry on with the show and I generally like the cast (though something about Spock's haircut bugs me. It just sits weird on his head and doesn't feel.... right.)
 

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-A main character with the "Noonian-Singh" surname FOR NO GODDAMNED REASON! (this was the worst. Her character had absolutely zero need to have that name given the backstory we get. I know it's probably meant to pay off down the line, but you could make her the secret descendent of a Eugenics War superhuman without it having to be the one everyone remembers but this era of Trek should have no knowledge of)
The thing is I think La'an has been the one of the best characters on the show, and there's absolutely no reason for her last name. The character's backstory and development doesn't require it at all, so she could be named anything and still be a great character.
 
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The think is I think La'an has been the one of the best characters on the show, and there's absolutely no reason for her last name. The character's backstory and development doesn't require it at all, so she could be named anything and still be a great character.
Same with the Gorn. They could've been an entirely unknown race and worked just as well. In fact, it would've made more sense, since these creatures bear no resemblance to the lumbering, hissing Gorn from the 1960s.
 
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Same with the Gorn. They could've been an entirely unknown race and worked just as well. In fact, it would've made more sense, since these creatures bear no resemblance to the lumbering, hissing Gorn from the 1960s.
They are similar to the creatures from the mirror episode of Enterprise though, but look better.
 

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Same with the Gorn. They could've been an entirely unknown race and worked just as well. In fact, it would've made more sense, since these creatures bear no resemblance to the lumbering, hissing Gorn from the 1960s.
Total non-issue for me. It's not like the Gorn were iconic or anything. It's not like Disco redesigning Klingons after a whole generation of an established look.
 

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They are similar to the creatures from the mirror episode of Enterprise though, but look better.

Total non-issue for me. It's not like the Gorn were iconic or anything. It's not like Disco redesigning Klingons after a whole generation of an established look.
I didn't really care what the Gorn looked like. I just wanted them to attack the crew by throwing papier-mache boulders.
 

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I didn't really care what the Gorn looked like. I just wanted them to attack the crew by throwing papier-mache boulders.
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I didn't care for La'an. She seemed to me like a two-dimensional, angry know-it-all who fancied herself in charge.

As for the Gorn, the same argument for changing them can be made against including them at all. If they're not an iconic species, then why bring them back in name only? I think that we know the answer to that.
 

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