LeafalCrusader
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They could get Christopher Heyerdahl on the show as a villain and complete the Hell on Wheels trifecta. He's got the sci-fi background too as Todd the Wraith on Stargate.
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Online Series: Star Trek: Discovery - III - Spock's Beard
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They could get Christopher Heyerdahl on the show as a villain and complete the Hell on Wheels trifecta. He's got the sci-fi background too as Todd the Wraith on Stargate.
Osprey
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It's probably a little bit of both, IMO. They want to remind people that the season has started, but I suspect that their subscriptions are down from last season and maybe even the number of people streaming the first two episodes is down from last season's episodes and this move is a reaction to that.
johnjm22 said:
I liked the comment, "Dangerous asteroid field? let's send the glass pods..."
The Nemesis
Semper Tyrannus
Maybe it's just in Canada, but I get "Video Unavailable" and "Comments are disabled"
Osprey
Registered User
I'm in the US and the video and comments are both still available. Maybe CBS wants only Americans to hate their show.
Seriously, it's probably because it's on TV in Canada and putting an episode online for free might not be to the Space channel's liking. The comments being disabled is probably just a YouTube policy when a video is disabled for a region.
johnjm22
Pseudo Intellectual
I think it's a good idea. It will expose the show to a lot more people who wouldn't have seen it otherwise. It's a strategy that would probably work great if people actually liked the show.
I'd imagine that's because it's on Netflix/Space internationally and they can't undercut them by posting the show for free.
The Nemesis
Semper Tyrannus
Yeah, Makes sense. Usually when a video is locked out here I get a different message. Something along the lines of "Video is not available in your area." The fact that it just flat said "not available" made me wonder if something was different.
The Nemesis
Semper Tyrannus
"They're speaking Federation Standard."
Was it really necessary to not say English?
Was it really necessary to not say English?
The Nemesis
Semper Tyrannus
Also:
"It looks like they cobbled together a faith from the primary religions of Earth."
I assume that they had to cut the line from time and that's why they failed to finish the the line with "...and Wicca"
"It looks like they cobbled together a faith from the primary religions of Earth."
I assume that they had to cut the line from time and that's why they failed to finish the the line with "...and Wicca"
The Nemesis
Semper Tyrannus
I'm not sure who's more annoying: Tilly, or that random crew member with the squeaky voice that woke her up in sickbay.
We get it, Discovery casting people. You want a crew full of meme-tastic quirky weirdos.
On the flip side, most fans seem like they want a crew full of competent, professional officers who seem like they can do their damn jobs like normal adults.
We get it, Discovery casting people. You want a crew full of meme-tastic quirky weirdos.
On the flip side, most fans seem like they want a crew full of competent, professional officers who seem like they can do their damn jobs like normal adults.
The Nemesis
Semper Tyrannus
Also for ****'s sake, just say "Prime Directive"
The Nemesis
Semper Tyrannus
Sorry, I'm watching the episode now, so I'm way behind, but
HOLY HELL, AIRIAM TALKS! SHE'S GOTTEN TWO WHOLE LINES SO FAR!
EDIT: THREE!!!
Also, Tilly can get sucked out an airlock any time now.
HOLY HELL, AIRIAM TALKS! SHE'S GOTTEN TWO WHOLE LINES SO FAR!
EDIT: THREE!!!
Also, Tilly can get sucked out an airlock any time now.
johnjm22
Pseudo Intellectual
She's seriously bordering on being the worst mainstay character in Star Trek history. It's embarrassing. She's Star Trek's Jar Jar Binks.
Jussi
Registered User
I think they did say that.
Also, I'm not sure if the term Prime Directive had been coined yet.
The Nemesis
Semper Tyrannus
Not the way I meant. Burnham listed off a bunch of religions. After Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, she more quickly rattled off Hinduism, Buhddism, Shintoism, and Wicca. Wicca was not presented any differently than any of the other things she said. And then after that she said the line I mentioned above.
The joke I was trying (poorly) to make was that Wicca is not one of Earth's "primary" religions. Every other religion she mentioned has at least 15 million followers worldwide as of whenever Wikipedia's info was last updated.
Wicca isn't on that list. For good reason.
The Nemesis
Semper Tyrannus
RE: the Prime Directive: It apparently wasn't said out loud in The Cage, but neither was "General Order One". But the casualness with which Kirk and company use the term suggests that it's not new enough for the "unofficial" name to be foreign to any of the characters. And really, we're like 3 years after The Cage happened and about 8 years before the beginning of what we see of Kirk's run. If nothing else the term should at least be in informal slang usage by this point.
And from a meta standpoint, it's the biggest Trek term in existence. The way they went out of their way to avoid using it makes me almost feel like they're ashamed to speak the words.
Yeah, we're getting there. I mean, Neelix's weirdness was intentional as a sort of kid-appeal character. And he was still capable of being stable and useful from time to time.
Tilly's whole thing is basically to fritter about as a jumble of random quirkiness that I think we're supposed to feel is endearing until she manages to save everyone in an explosion of spazzy pixie dust. She's like Jar Jar crossed with Wesley.
And from a meta standpoint, it's the biggest Trek term in existence. The way they went out of their way to avoid using it makes me almost feel like they're ashamed to speak the words.
Yeah, we're getting there. I mean, Neelix's weirdness was intentional as a sort of kid-appeal character. And he was still capable of being stable and useful from time to time.
Tilly's whole thing is basically to fritter about as a jumble of random quirkiness that I think we're supposed to feel is endearing until she manages to save everyone in an explosion of spazzy pixie dust. She's like Jar Jar crossed with Wesley.
CaptainCrunch67
Registered User
I was going to say she's the Wesley. At some point to save her they're going to have to find a Snerkle
Watch Robot Chicken - "Snerkel, Snerkel " on Adult Swim
Watch Robot Chicken - "Snerkel, Snerkel " on Adult Swim
Jussi
Registered User
Uhmm...You do realize those number are modern day numbers? We don't know what they are during WW3 when this episode's event happened.
Jussi
Registered User
History's very iffy on the Prime Directive:
Prime Directive
- The Prime Directive did not go into effect as a General Order until sometime after the 2160s (which is when the crew of the starship Horizon left behind books on technology and culture that radically altered the course of civilization on the planet Sigma Iotia II). (TOS: "A Piece of the Action")
- While the Prime Directive was not officially formulated until after the 2160s, the fundamental principles were an important part of Earth Starfleet procedures as early as 2152, with the crew of the Enterprise going to great lengths to recover a communicator that had accidentally fallen out of Lieutenant Malcolm Reed's pocket during a survey mission on a pre-warp planet. (ENT: "The Communicator")
chicagoskycam
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Just trying to generate more interest so more people pay for their streaming service. So wish Amazon or Neftlix would just do this series.
LeafalCrusader
Registered User
The Nemesis
Semper Tyrannus
As I lay here on the couch, hopped up on cold meds, I ended up watching the back half of Redemption Part II (the TNG Klingon Civil War/Sela story) and I realized that even back then there were times that the writers pulled some of the shenanigans that Discovery does. Through the whole "blockade" part of the plot, Data gets command of a ship and behaves totally like Burnham would. He disobeys Picard's orders, fights with his asshat first officer (who, in fairness, is portrayed like a straw-man jerk with a serious case of Android racism), puts a bunch of people in danger for a vaguely defined and ill-defended reason and even if he ultimately turns out to be right he would've saved everyone a boatload of trouble if he'd just stopped to explain himself and not bitten Hobson's head off for asking some very reasonable questions about why the captain just went totally off the rails and is doing a bunch of things that should raise just those types of objections (since the franchise reiterates several times over that the entire job of the 1st officer is to be that voice of reason and caution against a captain going off half-cocked and putting the ship and crew in harm's way when it wasn't strictly necessary.)
I have to imagine that if the episode aired in the days of the giant internet community, people would've rioted at the way Data acts. I read somewhere that defended him by saying he was emulating Riker and Picard's command style, but that's just plain not true because generally speaking they don't tongue-lash someone for asking questions unless said questioner is being needlessly petty. The only reason Hobson is wrong is because the story established that he's a jerk and that he's apparently asking said questions as much because he thinks Data can't be in command since he's just a machine as it is that they're legitimate gripes. Problem is that they are legitimate gripes and illegitimizing them for the sake of making our straw racist antagonist officer look bad is lazy.
Not entirely sure why this struck a chord with me when I saw it. I'm not even entirely trying to defend Discovery's slipshod storytelling and characterization. I guess it's just a realization that these issues have been around for longer than we generally talk about.
I have to imagine that if the episode aired in the days of the giant internet community, people would've rioted at the way Data acts. I read somewhere that defended him by saying he was emulating Riker and Picard's command style, but that's just plain not true because generally speaking they don't tongue-lash someone for asking questions unless said questioner is being needlessly petty. The only reason Hobson is wrong is because the story established that he's a jerk and that he's apparently asking said questions as much because he thinks Data can't be in command since he's just a machine as it is that they're legitimate gripes. Problem is that they are legitimate gripes and illegitimizing them for the sake of making our straw racist antagonist officer look bad is lazy.
Not entirely sure why this struck a chord with me when I saw it. I'm not even entirely trying to defend Discovery's slipshod storytelling and characterization. I guess it's just a realization that these issues have been around for longer than we generally talk about.
Osprey
Registered User
I recall not being a fan of that episode for some of those reasons. It surely wasn't the only one. The thing is, though, that, at the end of lazy episodes like that, it could be put behind us, mostly thanks to the procedural nature and the huge team of independent writers that the show had. That meant that episodes like that were outliers. The difference with Discovery is that it's serialized and there's a very small team of in-house writers that are all on the same page, so every episode is like that. I can count on one hand the number of episodes in which Data wasn't likable, and that's out of 176 episodes. I need both hands and both feet to count the episodes in which Burnham is unlikable, and that's out of only 17 episodes. By this time next month, I'll need to borrow someone else's hand to continue counting.
HolyGhost
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the trek fans are going insane on line right now.
Example.
Shocked that they put it up free on youtube. and it is still there.
Youtube talking heads are jumping all over Anson Mount's tweets cbs all access star trek discovery - YouTube
Example.
Shocked that they put it up free on youtube. and it is still there.
Youtube talking heads are jumping all over Anson Mount's tweets cbs all access star trek discovery - YouTube
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