Player Discussion: Stanley

[Snot Rocket]

Lucic the ape on skates

Whenever he does anything, I just imagine him saying his own (last) name outloud in a low monotone voice...

Loo-cheech!

Man, this Stanley kid, I am really liking him.

 

[Polar Vortex]

Interesting take here. I don’t know anything about this writer so he might be already viewed as a hack by the masses.

https://thehockeywriters.com/winnipeg-jets-demelo-stanley-seattle-kraken-expansion-draft/

 

[Channelcat]

Far... ?

How far... ?

Stanley plus our 1st this year... ?

Nsh would be crazy not to take it. I'd have Stanley off the table completely.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Stanley better not lose his roster position to Beau when he's healed up.......loving watching Stanley grow as a real solid NHL player before our eyes.

I will be furious if Stanley comes out for Beaulieu.

Boo is a dime a dozen defence-man you can find anywhere.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I will be furious if Stanley comes out for Beaulieu.

Boo is a dime a dozen defence-man you can find anywhere.

The fact we are still making posts like this makes me think we all realize it’s inevitable and we are pre-mourning.

 

[LMFAO]

Interesting take here. I don’t know anything about this writer so he might be already viewed as a hack by the masses.

https://thehockeywriters.com/winnipeg-jets-demelo-stanley-seattle-kraken-expansion-draft/

Morrissey, Pionk and Stanley will be protected.

You'll have a much easier time finding another Demelo than another Stanley.

 

[Whileee]

One thing to consider is that Stanley's play this season is very likely boosting his trade stock considerably. With Samberg and Heinola in the pipeline, an option would be to trade Stanley and protect DeMelo. Jets fans and media became a bit jaded about Stanley, but I'd bet there is a number of other NHL teams scouting him and willing to give him a chance to become a big, puck moving D with some bite in the #4-5 range.

 

[Whileee]

This is a very solid profile for a 22-year rookie D, especially considering that Stanley's very likely to improve his offensive profile once he gets a bit more confident in the offensive zone. The RAPM model probably doesn't adjust sufficiently for the level of sheltering he's had in usage, but this does match with my eye test on Stanley. He's had few mistakes or awkward moments defensively, and he's already one of the Jets' better D passers. His foray into the slot and rocket off the bar is not an abberation - he has a very good shot and good offensive instincts.

 

[Jet]

One thing to consider is that Stanley's play this season is very likely boosting his trade stock considerably. With Samberg and Heinola in the pipeline, an option would be to trade Stanley and protect DeMelo. Jets fans and media became a bit jaded about Stanley, but I'd bet there is a number of other NHL teams scouting him and willing to give him a chance to become a big, puck moving D with some bite in the #4-5 range.

Yeah, I feel like Stanley could potentially be the bait we dangle in getting a seasoned top 4 guy for the playoffs. That makes the road to the roster easier for Heinola and Samberg if its a rental.

 

[Aggie204]

Morrissey, Pionk and Stanley will be protected.

You'll have a much easier time finding another Demelo than another Stanley.

I agree with you. Chevy traded up to grab him in the draft, and has put in a lot of resources to develop the big guy. He will be protected.

 

[LowLefty]

One thing to consider is that Stanley's play this season is very likely boosting his trade stock considerably. With Samberg and Heinola in the pipeline, an option would be to trade Stanley and protect DeMelo. Jets fans and media became a bit jaded about Stanley, but I'd bet there is a number of other NHL teams scouting him and willing to give him a chance to become a big, puck moving D with some bite in the #4-5 range.

I hope Stanley is not considered as trade bait and I'd be surprised if he is.
The Jets do not spend this much time on developing players - especially Dmen who they desperately need, to turn them over to anther team.

I do get that we need another level of dman in the lineup but I can see them possibly moving pcs like DeMelo over their home grown players.
Based on Stan's progress, he might be as valuable as Samberg - and the Jets put a lot of effort into drafting him.
He's also exactly what they need - a big Dman who can move the puck and work the walls and the front of the net (where Pionk and JoMo struggle).

In the end, I see them protecting Stan - if we are able to pick up another Dman, I can see us protecting 4 -
If we are able to snag that top pairing dman, we likely give up a 1st and roster forward - Copp / Apples come to mind - possibly DeMelo but I don't know if our unprotected dmen stack up that well with what the rest of the league has to offer on the blueline. I see our depth at forward being the low hanging fruit for expansion teams.

Just a few thoughts that I'm tossing out their on a whim on a lazy Saturday morning -

 

[Jet]

I hope Stanley is not considered as trade bait and I'd be surprised if he is.
The Jets do not spend this much time on developing players - especially Dmen who they desperately need, to turn them over to anther team.

I do get that we need another level of dman in the lineup but I can see them possibly moving pcs like DeMelo over their home grown players.
Based on Stan's progress, he might be as valuable as Samberg - and the Jets put a lot of effort into drafting him.
He's also exactly what they need - a big Dman who can move the puck and work the walls and the front of the net (where Pionk and JoMo struggle).

In the end, I see them protecting Stan - if we are able to pick up another Dman, I can see us protecting 4 -
If we are able to snag that top pairing dman, we likely give up a 1st and roster forward - Copp / Apples come to mind - possibly DeMelo but I don't know if our unprotected dmen stack up that well with what the rest of the league has to offer on the blueline. I see our depth at forward being the low hanging fruit for expansion teams.

Just a few thoughts that I'm tossing out their on a whim on a lazy Saturday morning -

The problem with trading Demelo is that you are trading away a guy who has experience and proven performance against elite players - so even if you get the top 4 wish list d guy in the deal, you're robbing Peter to pay Paul. I think Heinola and Samberg make Stanley expendable.

Don't get me wrong, I've really loved Stanley and woud be happy to have him here long term and continue to watch his growth, but logically he could be the guy to deal to help us this year.

 

[Whileee]

I hope Stanley is not considered as trade bait and I'd be surprised if he is.
The Jets do not spend this much time on developing players - especially Dmen who they desperately need, to turn them over to anther team.

I do get that we need another level of dman in the lineup but I can see them possibly moving pcs like DeMelo over their home grown players.
Based on Stan's progress, he might be as valuable as Samberg - and the Jets put a lot of effort into drafting him.
He's also exactly what they need - a big Dman who can move the puck and work the walls and the front of the net (where Pionk and JoMo struggle).

In the end, I see them protecting Stan - if we are able to pick up another Dman, I can see us protecting 4 -
If we are able to snag that top pairing dman, we likely give up a 1st and roster forward - Copp / Apples come to mind - possibly DeMelo but I don't know if our unprotected dmen stack up that well with what the rest of the league has to offer on the blueline. I see our depth at forward being the low hanging fruit for expansion teams.

Just a few thoughts that I'm tossing out their on a whim on a lazy Saturday morning -

In general, I agree. The issue is that the Jets have Heinola and Samberg in the pipeline (and Chisholm). Unless they move one of their LHD over to the right side they have 4 LD to fit into the line-up, and Stanley is the only one of those three prospects that needs to be protected in the expansion draft.

 

[LowLefty]

In general, I agree. The issue is that the Jets have Heinola and Samberg in the pipeline (and Chisholm). Unless they move one of their LHD over to the right side they have 4 LD to fit into the line-up, and Stanley is the only one of those three prospects that needs to be protected in the expansion draft.

Yup - that's what makes this complicated.
I don't know how the Jets are looking at this but I'm sure they are aware of what you have pointed out - I think it'll come down to what they think they need on the blueline - I can see Stanley as being a part of what they need (badly).

When I look back on the Stanley pick, I felt they pulled out all the stops to get him. They likely understood the risk that comes with picking a player that needed a lot of work but they saw the payoff if they were successful - that being a 6'7" defender - they simply don't grow on tree's (pun intended). I wonder how they see things now - did they get what they wanted? It's starting to look that way.

All the above doesn't change the dilemma one bit - your points are spot on.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Stanley has played well in sheltered roles vs our Canadian division rivals... IMO he's not a long term top 4 guy tho... He's a good or capable 5 6 tho.

Demelo? He's a RHD... He can play in the top 4. Protecting a 5 6 LHD when you got Heinola Samberg Chisholm in the pipeline over a capable top 4 RHD when the only RHD prospect you have Is Gawanke... Yeah.. doesn't make sense.

 

[LowLefty]

The problem with trading Demelo is that you are trading away a guy who has experience and proven performance against elite players - so even if you get the top 4 wish list d guy in the deal, you're robbing Peter to pay Paul. I think Heinola and Samberg make Stanley expendable.

Don't get me wrong, I've really loved Stanley and woud be happy to have him here long term and continue to watch his growth, but logically he could be the guy to deal to help us this year.

You could very well be right - I'll come down to how they value their big dman (who they obviously wanted badly when they drafted him).
Is he turning into what they envisioned? I think so. Is he turning a few heads in the Jets camp and around the league? Likely.
Where's his ceiling? How much does his size play into the decision making? What do the Jets need?

 

[Whileee]

Stanley has played well in sheltered roles vs our Canadian division rivals... IMO he's not a long term top 4 guy tho... He's a good or capable 5 6 tho.

Demelo? He's a RHD... He can play in the top 4. Protecting a 5 6 LHD when you got Heinola Samberg Chisholm in the pipeline over a capable top 4 RHD when the only RHD prospect you have Is Gawanke... Yeah.. doesn't make sense.

I tend to agree, but how hard would it be to find another DeMelo. They acquired him for a 3rd and were able to re-sign him as a UFA (so there must not have been huge competition). I like DeMelo a lot, but I'm not convinced that he's that rare if the Jets have the cap space to acquire a D of that profile.

I'd really like to see DeMelo play a longer stretch with Morrissey, though. It would be good to have a bigger sample size of his play in that role. It's still mind-boggling that the Jets are playing Poolman over DeMelo in that role. It's a fairly strong indication that the Jets aren't as high on him as many fans and pundits. Frankly, I have no idea what they're looking at. It's almost as though they like the idea of Poolman, more than his performance, and are hoping he gets to where they imagine he can be.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I tend to agree, but how hard would it be to find another DeMelo. They acquired him for a 3rd and were able to re-sign him as a UFA (so there must not have been huge competition). I like DeMelo a lot, but I'm not convinced that he's that rare if the Jets have the cap space to acquire a D of that profile.

I'd really like to see DeMelo play a longer stretch with Morrissey, though. It would be good to have a bigger sample size of his play in that role. It's still mind-boggling that the Jets are playing Poolman over DeMelo in that role. It's a fairly strong indication that the Jets aren't as high on him as many fans and pundits. Frankly, I have no idea what they're looking at. It's almost as though they like the idea of Poolman, more than his performance, and are hoping he gets to where they imagine he can be.

Schmidt was traded for a 3rd and was worth much more so it happens. Demelo is far more ready and if as article says its all about winning now Demelo is better. I believe window is the future because we have so many young pieces now with only wheeler and schief as core pieces aging out. 3 years from now ehlers prime, perfetti etc. Can they better use the cap elsewhere as Stanley can't command more than a mil since such a small sample.
Also why protect stanley when he is going to be bumped by booboo because Mo is gonna mo.

 

[DannyGallivan]

Interesting take here. I don’t know anything about this writer so he might be already viewed as a hack by the masses.

https://thehockeywriters.com/winnipeg-jets-demelo-stanley-seattle-kraken-expansion-draft/

He has proven his ignorance, imo. Sometimes you have to watch the Jets play to really weigh in on these things.

To say that he'd keep Demelo because he's more experienced doesn't address the point that at 27 years-old, we've likely seen the best of Demelo (a decent fourth to sixth defenseman on a contending team). Stanley, despite being sheltered at times, shows a much higher possible ceiling while already being a big contributor.

 

[DannyGallivan]

Schmidt was traded for a 3rd and was worth much more so it happens. Demelo is far more ready and if as article says its all about winning now Demelo is better. I believe window is the future because we have so many young pieces now with only wheeler and schief as core pieces aging out. 3 years from now ehlers prime, perfetti etc. Can they better use the cap elsewhere as Stanley can't command more than a mil since such a small sample.
Also why protect stanley when he is going to be bumped by booboo because Mo is gonna mo.

If it's about winning now, then we already have Stanley and Demelo (this season).

 

[DannyGallivan]

I tend to agree, but how hard would it be to find another DeMelo. They acquired him for a 3rd and were able to re-sign him as a UFA (so there must not have been huge competition). I like DeMelo a lot, but I'm not convinced that he's that rare if the Jets have the cap space to acquire a D of that profile.

I'd really like to see DeMelo play a longer stretch with Morrissey, though. It would be good to have a bigger sample size of his play in that role. It's still mind-boggling that the Jets are playing Poolman over DeMelo in that role. It's a fairly strong indication that the Jets aren't as high on him as many fans and pundits. Frankly, I have no idea what they're looking at. It's almost as though they like the idea of Poolman, more than his performance, and are hoping he gets to where they imagine he can be.

Demelo is decent, but very inconsistent. He's an Ottawa reject who has the occasional good game but is prone to mistakes.

To lose a player who you've invested several years in, and appears to be on the cusp of very good things (I really disagree with the low ceiling some people place on him) is so shortsighted. NHL history includes a wasteland of teams that missed out on a star they already had in favour of a mediocre veteran.

And Poolman sucks. Sorry, but he's an injury placeholder and nothing more.

Bottom line is that I'd protect Stanley, and hope that Demelo stays with the Jets. He will be a valuable veteran presence as our young and superior defensive stars earn spots on the team.

 

[DannyGallivan]

Stanley has played well in sheltered roles vs our Canadian division rivals... IMO he's not a long term top 4 guy tho... He's a good or capable 5 6 tho.

Demelo? He's a RHD... He can play in the top 4. Protecting a 5 6 LHD when you got Heinola Samberg Chisholm in the pipeline over a capable top 4 RHD when the only RHD prospect you have Is Gawanke... Yeah.. doesn't make sense.

I disagree with your assertion that he is not a long term top 4 guy. There is zero evidence to suggest that.

I'm also always perplexed at the love an unproven guy like Samberg gets in these forums. He's never played a game in the NHL, he has generated the same offensive numbers as Stanley except while playing in the AHL, and with a worst plus/minus. For all we know, he can be another Poolman. If you're a "proof is in the pudding" kind of guy, then Stanley has already proven way more than Samberg or Chisholm.

It is realistic though to think that in about three years we'll have a blueline that features Stanley, Chisholm, Samberg and Heinola. Our problem then will be keeping the best young blueline in the NHL under contract for several seasons.

 

[ps241]

I tend to agree, but how hard would it be to find another DeMelo. They acquired him for a 3rd and were able to re-sign him as a UFA (so there must not have been huge competition). I like DeMelo a lot, but I'm not convinced that he's that rare if the Jets have the cap space to acquire a D of that profile.

I'd really like to see DeMelo play a longer stretch with Morrissey, though. It would be good to have a bigger sample size of his play in that role. It's still mind-boggling that the Jets are playing Poolman over DeMelo in that role. It's a fairly strong indication that the Jets aren't as high on him as many fans and pundits. Frankly, I have no idea what they're looking at. It's almost as though they like the idea of Poolman, more than his performance, and are hoping he gets to where they imagine he can be.

I think Maurice wasn’t bullshitting when he said “we” really like a Poolman. Also the fact they seem comfortable playing on the top pair tells me they do overvalue Poolman

Secondly, the org did trade for and sign DeMelo to a new long term contract so I would assume at least Chevy is a fan.

lastly I do know Paul is big on managing the confidence of Stanley as he enters the NHL.

Taken together I guess it explains one theory of why DeMelo finds himself below Poolman on the depth chart currently.

Is it possible DeMelo is in the dog house for his slow start still?

Love our Jets but they know how to keep me off balance.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

It’s good to see so many positive comments and Stanley’s development up to this point after so much negativity regarding the pick. He had some hick ups along the way with injuries but seems to have moved past them and I agree that I think the sky is the limit for this guy. He’s got a great, seeing eye shot (it has yet to seeing it way into the net though) but every shot is literally, right there and for a purpose, whether through a screen, a deflection or a fake shot/pass. He’s got great hands, is a good skater and as soon as he builds up that confidence and is given a bit more leash to open up the physicality, he will be an absolute beast to play against. He may not be a T2 defender, but I’ve always seen him as a second pair guy who can PK and grind out the other team. He is exactly what we need!

I looked at his performance *after* coming back from injury last year and pretty much wrote him off. The assumption is that if they come back, they should be recovered. He was not scoring but he was also playing poorly defensively, according to reports here, and very poor skating. I made a similar assumption about Josh Anderson when a lot of people here wanted to go after him. But he has rebounded pretty well for Habs this year.

Stanley is playing very well and still getting better. I still think his skating will hold him back on the 3rd pair, but I am keeping an open mind. He could work his way up to the 2nd pair. Who knows?

So far, he is a very pleasant surprise. He is doing what I wanted Samberg to do.

I've already eaten my crow. Twice.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I looked at his performance *after* coming back from injury last year and pretty much wrote him off. The assumption is that if they come back, they should be recovered. He was not scoring but he was also playing poorly defensively, according to reports here, and very poor skating. I made a similar assumption about Josh Anderson when a lot of people here wanted to go after him. But he has rebounded pretty well for Habs this year.

Stanley is playing very well and still getting better. I still think his skating will hold him back on the 3rd pair, but I am keeping an open mind. He could work his way up to the 2nd pair. Who knows?

So far, he is a very pleasant surprise. He is doing what I wanted Samberg to do.

I've already eaten my crow. Twice.

Is bort much faster? I don’t know.