Player Discussion: Stanley

[larmex99]

Would be an add to that offer...

But... ya...

I am sure that the add would be greater than the offer. Much greater.

 

[StumpyTown]

I'm a little confused as to this expansion draft rule:
"All first- and second-year NHL players, and all unsigned draft choices are exempt from the draft. They do not count toward a team's protected list."
What is the definition of a first- and second-year NHL player? Does that make Stanley exempt as he is playing in his rookie NHL season? I couldn't find a resource that clarified this for me. Does anyone have a link to the details of this they could pass on?

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

Valid question - maybe we're playing Stanley to dangle him for someone like Ekholm. I think that would be something we'd have to consider (Heinola is off the table IMO)

Anyone else think Stanley for Ekholm is fair?

Could work.

Ladd and a second rounder for Ekholm

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Valid question - maybe we're playing Stanley to dangle him for someone like Ekholm. I think that would be something we'd have to consider (Heinola is off the table IMO)

Anyone else think Stanley for Ekholm is fair?

I think the ask for Ekholm far, far exceeds Stanley.

 

[John Agar]

I think the ask for Ekholm far, far exceeds Stanley.

Far... ?

How far... ?

Stanley plus our 1st this year... ?

 

[Jet]

I think the ask for Ekholm far, far exceeds Stanley.

I bet! Problem is, he's only got one team owned year after this one. I worry that even if the Preds took that deal, we'd end up losing that deal badly. Just hard to say what Stanley will become (or if we could re-sign ekholm)

 

[DRW204]

1st+Stanley is a good offer for Ekholm. Only thing that pauses me about Ekholm is age +next deal if we want to re sign him at 32

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

I'm a little confused as to this expansion draft rule:
"All first- and second-year NHL players, and all unsigned draft choices are exempt from the draft. They do not count toward a team's protected list."
What is the definition of a first- and second-year NHL player? Does that make Stanley exempt as he is playing in his rookie NHL season? I couldn't find a resource that clarified this for me. Does anyone have a link to the details of this they could pass on?

It appears you're quoting from this:

Seattle 2021 NHL Expansion Draft rules same as Golden Knights followed

"All first- and second-year NHL players, and all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward protection limits."

One would assume the actual NHL website itself would be clear on the exemption rules, but their wording isn't correct.

In place of "NHL seasons" its should read AHL or NHL" or perhaps “all first- and second-year professionals.

Logan Stanley is in his third pro season having played 2018-2019 & 2019-2020 in the AHL with the Moose.

He's not exempt from the expansion draft.

 

[Weezeric]

It appears you're quoting from this:

Seattle 2021 NHL Expansion Draft rules same as Golden Knights followed

"All first- and second-year NHL players, and all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward protection limits."

One would assume the actual NHL website itself would be clear on the exemption rules, but their wording isn't correct.

In place of "NHL seasons" its should read AHL or NHL" or perhaps “all first- and second-year professionals.

Logan Stanley is in his third pro season having played 2018-2019 & 2019-2020 in the AHL with the Moose.

He's not exempt from the expansion draft.

Id imagine what’s meant by NHL player is a player on an NHL contract, which would include ELCs, even if they play in the AHL.

 

[Jimmyjets]

I'm a little confused as to this expansion draft rule:
"All first- and second-year NHL players, and all unsigned draft choices are exempt from the draft. They do not count toward a team's protected list."
What is the definition of a first- and second-year NHL player? Does that make Stanley exempt as he is playing in his rookie NHL season? I couldn't find a resource that clarified this for me. Does anyone have a link to the details of this they could pass on?

Expansion Draft FAQ - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

It's really about "professional seasons" in the AHL or NHL that happen after a player has signed their standard player contract, which makes them an "NHL player" even if they spend the season in the AHL.

Although Stanley is a NHL rookie this year, he has already played 2 pro seasons in the AHL. Since this is his 3rd pro season he needs to be protected.

At the highest level that's it. How many years of AHL+NHL experience do you have at the end of this year? 3 or more and they are eligible to be picked by Seattle and would need protection.

 

[Whileee]

I'm sorry but that is actually insane.

IF Heinola came in and was awesome in the back half of the season, trading Morrissey might be a possibility, but leaving him unprotected would be folly.

I agree. I am not sure what constraints Morrissey has had, but let's not forget that he was an outstanding prospect, that had a very good first couple of years at the NHL level as a young D, and really has only fallen off over the past couple of seasons when the Jets' D underwent a complete upheaval. Giving up on him as a 25 year old would be folly.

 

[Mud Turtle]

1st+Stanley is a good offer for Ekholm. Only thing that pauses me about Ekholm is age +next deal if we want to re sign him at 32

Not me. Enough with trading young for old. Let the young guys come in and prove themselves and we can enjoy ) years or so of them without paying a fortune.

 

[DRW204]

Not me. Enough with trading young for old. Let the young guys come in and prove themselves and we can enjoy ) years or so of them without paying a fortune.

i don't think id do it. like i said age+next deal of ekholm gives me a pause. just think that's the type of deal that would get it done.

 

[Evil Little]

copp is an rfa
lowry and stastny are ufa

so lowry and stastny if agreed to contracts with seattle, would be their Jets selection.

What?

Vegas took one or two pending UFAs--including Thorburn--but those were in lieu of taking players and they were rewarded by the respective teams. The Jets swapped firsts with the later Columbus pick. They wouldn't pick a UFA without compensation, even if they were planning on trying to sign him, unless the team in question was very well protected.

 

[DRW204]

What?

Vegas took one or two pending UFAs--including Thorburn--but those were in lieu of taking players and they were rewarded by the respective teams. The Jets swapped firsts with the later Columbus pick. They wouldn't pick a UFA without compensation, even if they were planning on trying to sign him, unless the team in question was very well protected.

Is that how it works? I thought they had to agree to a contract to count as a pick. So if they selected Lowry and he didn't sign with them then it's a wasted pick unless there's a side deal like Thorburn

The Curious Role Of UFAs In The Expansion Draft - SinBin.vegas

This is what I'm reading they used jumbo joe as an example.

Vegas took one or two pending UFAs--including Thorburn--but those were in lieu of taking players and they were rewarded by the respective teams. The Jets swapped firsts with the later Columbus pick. They wouldn't pick a UFA without compensation, even if they were planning on trying to sign him, unless the team in question was very well protected.
For example, San Jose elects to leave Joe Thornton exposed in the Expansion Draft. Las Vegas will have the opportunity to speak to Thornton from the 17th to the 20th to discuss a contract. If an agreement is reach, and an official deal is signed, Thornton becomes the one player Las Vegas has selected from the Sharks. His 2017-18 contract will be used toward the 60% cap rule, and no other team ever had an opportunity to negotiate with him.

I think that's what I said lol

 

[Evil Little]

Is that how it works? I thought they had to agree to a contract. So if they selected Lowry and he didn't sign with them then it's a wasted pick?

Precisely. Just like Thorbs. He signed with the Blues instead, but Vegas got their pick swap so they didn't care.

Cute aside, apparently Thorburn was looking forward to going to market and was a little worried when his name got called out--even though he wasn't under contract he was worried he might have to play for Vegas. In retrospect, he might've been a decent fit for them at the time.

 

[DRW204]

Precisely. Just like Thorbs. He signed with the Blues instead, but Vegas got their pick swap so they didn't care.

Cute aside, apparently Thorburn was looking forward to going to market and was a little worried when his name got called out--even though he wasn't under contract he was worried he might have to play for Vegas. In retrospect, he might've been a decent fit for them at the time.

I think we're on the same page. I was just saying Lowry would count as a pick if they signed him To a deal

 

[WPGChief]

I think we're on the same page. I was just saying Lowry would count as a pick if they signed him To a deal

It would count as a pick, but Lowry needs to be under contract by the Jets for 2021-22 to count as an eligible exposed forward

 

[sipowicz]

Pretty tough to get a puck off tree and his reach into the next time zone!

 

[sipowicz]

Lucic the ape on skates

 

[Mud Turtle]

Delete.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

Seattle has exclusive rights to talk to UFAs 48 hrs b4 expansion draft.... So as some here say we can have a handshake deal with Lowry to sign him to a contract the day after the expansion draft..... Seattle would still have the chance to talk contract with Lowry b4 he becomes a true UFA ..... If Seattle out bids us ..... our handshake deal is worthless...

 

[lanky]

Seattle has exclusive rights to talk to UFAs 48 hrs b4 expansion draft.... So as some here say we can have a handshake deal with Lowry to sign him to a contract the day after the expansion draft..... Seattle would still have the chance to talk contract with Lowry b4 he becomes a true UFA ..... If Seattle out bids us ..... our handshake deal is worthless...

A handshake is a handshake. No take backs!

 

[Hunter368]

Stanley better not lose his roster position to Beau when he's healed up.......loving watching Stanley grow as a real solid NHL player before our eyes.

 

[larmex99]

Stanley better not lose his roster position to Beau when he's healed up.......loving watching Stanley grow as a real solid NHL player before our eyes.

PoMo has said numerous times that players will not lose their roster spot due to an injury. I expect Boo Boo to be reinserted into the lineup temporarily but be replaced by Stan after a few games. Let’s not lose our **** when/if that happens. Everyone knows that Stan is in the long term plan and Boo Boo not so much.