Player Discussion: Stanley

[Channelcat]

the original draft thread.
Winnipeg Jets select D Logan Stanley (1/18) (Mod warning in OP)

I was pulling for Stanley pre draft and liked the pick.

Actually Im not sure I've ever been wrong

 

[ecolad]

Yes, Stanley is showing rather nicely as a newb in the lineup right now -with many admirable attributes. But we have to recognize that he is being highly sheltered by deployment and bench management decisions, AND, recognize that he is being sheltered by playing with probably our steadiest, most consistent, best performing D on the team, in Demelo. Wouldn`t it be prudent to see how Stanley performs in non-sheltered roles before declaring him the sure-fire recipient of the 3rd D protection spot in the upcoming expansion draft? ( Note the delicious irony that exists behind the choice!)

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

the original draft thread.
Winnipeg Jets select D Logan Stanley (1/18) (Mod warning in OP)

I feel pretty good about posts 154 and 420 in this thread!

 

[WolfHouse]

Yes, Stanley is showing rather nicely as a newb in the lineup right now -with many admirable attributes. But we have to recognize that he is being highly sheltered by deployment and bench management decisions, AND, recognize that he is being sheltered by playing with probably our steadiest, most consistent, best performing D on the team, in Demelo. Wouldn`t it be prudent to see how Stanley performs in non-sheltered roles before declaring him the sure-fire recipient of the 3rd D protection spot in the upcoming expansion draft? ( Note the delicious irony that exists behind the choice!)

There were some scary moment when he was paired with Pionk last game... steep learning curve.

 

[ps241]

There were some scary moment when he was paired with Pionk last game... steep learning curve.

Yea there are levels and he is getting a lower degree of difficulty at the moment. The trend lines look really promising which is great and he had an important off season. Laine should call him up to find out how he can actually transform his body at 22-23.

 

[DRW204]

marner schooled him last night in the 1st.

 

[Ducky10]

Stanley has looked good in most of the situations he’s been put in, but 25 games in the NHL is a long way from making anyone right or wrong, just saying.

 

[LowLefty]

Stanley has looked good in most of the situations he’s been put in, but 25 games in the NHL is a long way from making anyone right or wrong, just saying.

I agree -

I think we also need to look at potential when evaluating a player - that potential is usually seen in less demanding assignments.
Same could be said for most Dmen at this age that are working their way into the line up - they are going to make mistakes and as they work their way into tougher matchups, the learning curve starts all over again (to an extent).
I don't believe any of our prospects could be dropped into the lineup without expecting them to be exposed as the competition become more difficult as they move up.

 

[Atoyot]

As for Stanley, I'm usually living in the middle of the forest with no access to the Internet when the draft happens so thankfully I don't make an appearance early on in that thread, I'm sure I'm in there somewhere though and I'll own it: Stanley has done better than I would have ever expected prior to this season. His gaffes are becoming more numerous but I'm comfortable with him as a bottom pairing defenseman and I like the physicality that he brings. Hope he can keep improving.

 

[ecolad]

I agree -

I think we also need to look at potential when evaluating a player - that potential is usually seen in less demanding assignments.
Same could be said for most Dmen at this age that are working their way into the line up - they are going to make mistakes and as they work their way into tougher matchups, the learning curve starts all over again (to an extent).
I don't believe any of our prospects could be dropped into the lineup without expecting them to be exposed as the competition become more difficult as they move up.

Have absolutely no problem with all of this. But my question is - how do GM`s incorporate this thinking into their decision about expansion draft protection slots.? I doubt that there will be any league-wide slots given to players like Stanley ,who have no history of proven performance (very small number of games played, all of which have been sheltered ), irrespective of any assessment of potential .

That`s not to say Stanley hasn`t impressed to date - in fact just the opposite! It is my view that he has increased his "value" significantly this year as an asset (even for possible trade purposes).

But I do admit to being bewildered/uncertain about the organizations thinking with respect to Demelo - primarily because of the way Maurice deploys him and makes lineup decisions generally. As advertised, he doesn`t stand -out but is very efficient at what he does well and shows well in stats.

 

[LowLefty]

Have absolutely no problem with all of this. But my question is - how do GM`s incorporate this thinking into their decision about expansion draft protection slots.? I doubt that there will be any league-wide slots given to players like Stanley ,who have no history of proven performance (very small number of games played, all of which have been sheltered ), irrespective of any assessment of potential .

That`s not to say Stanley hasn`t impressed to date - in fact just the opposite! It is my view that he has increased his "value" significantly this year as an asset (even for possible trade purposes).

But I do admit to being bewildered/uncertain about the organizations thinking with respect to Demelo - primarily because of the way Maurice deploys him and makes lineup decisions generally. As advertised, he doesn`t stand -out but is very efficient at what he does well and shows well in stats.

I would think a GM's point of view will differ depending on the organization and how they value home grown prospects.
You have to look at value first and I'm not disputing that - but I also think the Jets may put more value in their prospects / ELC's over other options that might include short term contracts they picked up along the way.

But I really don't know what the Jets org is thinking in terms of the expansion - but I would not be surprised if they protect 4 Dmen considering the state of our D versus forward depth - even when considering the D we have coming up through development.
I'm not saying this is the way they should go but I would not be surprised if they do.
I also may be seeing more in Stanley than some (including the org) - I think he is a rare bird that might be a monster at some point down the road - if we are patient.

 

[ecolad]

I would think a GM's point of view will differ depending on the organization and how they value home grown prospects.
You have to look at value first and I'm not disputing that - but I also think the Jets may put more value in their prospects / ELC's over other options that might include short term contracts they picked up along the way.

But I really don't know what the Jets org is thinking in terms of the expansion - but I would not be surprised if they protect 4 Dmen considering the state of our D versus forward depth - even when considering the D we have coming up through development.
I'm not saying this is the way they should go but I would not be surprised if they do.
I also may be seeing more in Stanley than some (including the org) - I think he is a rare bird that might be a monster at some point down the road - if we are patient.

I would be quite surprised, and taken aback, if the Jets elect to protect 4 Dmen rather than 3. This would leave Appleton and Harkins both exposed for certain, and I don`t think we want to do that, especially with Appleton. Particularly since Appleton plays RW, a position where we truly don`t have the depth you mention. If anything, it`s our weakness at present.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I would think a GM's point of view will differ depending on the organization and how they value home grown prospects.
You have to look at value first and I'm not disputing that - but I also think the Jets may put more value in their prospects / ELC's over other options that might include short term contracts they picked up along the way.

But I really don't know what the Jets org is thinking in terms of the expansion - but I would not be surprised if they protect 4 Dmen considering the state of our D versus forward depth - even when considering the D we have coming up through development.
I'm not saying this is the way they should go but I would not be surprised if they do.
I also may be seeing more in Stanley than some (including the org) - I think he is a rare bird that might be a monster at some point down the road - if we are patient.

Protecting 4 is ridiculous you are giving them Kc to protect Stanley.
4 forwards
Wheeler needs to be protected.
Ehlers
Schief
Dubois

 

[Adam da bomb]

I would be quite surprised, and taken aback, if the Jets elect to protect 4 Dmen rather than 3. This would leave Appleton and Harkins both exposed for certain, and I don`t think we want to do that, especially with Appleton. Particularly since Appleton plays RW, a position where we truly don`t have the depth you mention. If anything, it`s our weakness at present.

Wouldn’t they then be on,y able to protect 4 fwds then?
Losing Apple wouldn’t be their worse loss in that case it’s kc they are losing.
Wheeler, who needs to be protected nmc, Ehlers, schief, Dubois.

 

[LowLefty]

I would be quite surprised, and taken aback, if the Jets elect to protect 4 Dmen rather than 3. This would leave Appleton and Harkins both exposed for certain, and I don`t think we want to do that, especially with Appleton. Particularly since Appleton plays RW, a position where we truly don`t have the depth you mention. If anything, it`s our weakness at present.

I completely forgot about the 8 skater max when 4 D are protected - please ignore this suggestion - there's no way they can protect 4 D.
It'll come down the Stanley and Demelo - and it will be hard to give up on Demelo.

 

[snowkiddin]

I completely forgot about the 8 skater max when 4 D are protected - please ignore this suggestion - there's no way they can protect 4 D.
It'll come down the Stanley and Demelo - and it will be hard to give up on Demelo.

A DeMelo clone can easily be brought in, though. Stanley is not so easy to replicate.

 

[Adam da bomb]

A DeMelo clone can easily be brought in, though. Stanley is not so easy to replicate.

But demelo is more of a finished product and the fact we keep trading our 1sts I’m guessing they are desperate to win it now and will only worry bout the future in the future.

 

[snowkiddin]

But demelo is more of a finished product and the fact we keep trading our 1sts I’m guessing they are desperate to win it now and will only worry bout the future in the future.

I couldn’t disagree more vehemently with this assessment, most unfortunately.

We didn’t trade our first last year, we haven’t traded it (yet) this year. There’s really no indication to me that would suggest they would give up on a younger, likely better player, at least at this point.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I couldn’t disagree more vehemently with this assessment, most unfortunately.

We didn’t trade our first last year, we haven’t traded it (yet) this year. There’s really no indication to me that would suggest they would give up on a younger, likely better player, at least at this point.

Stanley might be, might small chances be as good as Demelo in 2 years. After all Garret points out Demelo as in fact been our 2nd best d. Stanley would take at least 2 years to possibly be that. At that point wheeler 2 more years declined. Schief is 30. Ppl think our window is now. I disagree but if that is the common thought, then a ready now Demelo is even further ahead.
Not to mention the right d vs left d and all Heinola Samberg, Stanley all play same side and when berg was tried on off side for Moose from reports it didn’t work very well.
On the other hand moving demelo gives more money to sign copp, Lowry, Pionk to raises.

 

[ecolad]

Wouldn’t they then be on,y able to protect 4 fwds then?
Losing Apple wouldn’t be their worse loss in that case it’s kc they are losing.
Wheeler, who needs to be protected nmc, Ehlers, schief, Dubois.

Yep. you`re quite correct about the four forwards the Jets would absolutely protect. For some inexplicable reason, I simply forgot that we now have PLD ! Yikes.

 

[snowkiddin]

Stanley might be, might small chances be as good as Demelo in 2 years. After all Garret points out Demelo as in fact been our 2nd best d. Stanley would take at least 2 years to possibly be that. At that point wheeler 2 more years declined. Schief is 30. Ppl think our window is now. I disagree but if that is the common thought, then a ready now Demelo is even further ahead.
Not to mention the right d vs left d and all Heinola Samberg, Stanley all play same side and when berg was tried on off side for Moose from reports it didn’t work very well.
On the other hand moving demelo gives more money to sign copp, Lowry, Pionk to raises.

DeMelo has been rather hit or miss this year. He’s been better lately though.

It’s a no brainer to protect Stanley over DeMelo, though. Cheaper, better potential, and already pretty dang good.

 

[snowkiddin]

Stanley might be, might small chances be as good as Demelo in 2 years. After all Garret points out Demelo as in fact been our 2nd best d. Stanley would take at least 2 years to possibly be that. At that point wheeler 2 more years declined. Schief is 30. Ppl think our window is now. I disagree but if that is the common thought, then a ready now Demelo is even further ahead.
Not to mention the right d vs left d and all Heinola Samberg, Stanley all play same side and when berg was tried on off side for Moose from reports it didn’t work very well.
On the other hand moving demelo gives more money to sign copp, Lowry, Pionk to raises.

DeMelo has been rather hit or miss this year. He’s been better lately though.

It’s a no brainer to protect Stanley over DeMelo, though. Cheaper, better potential, and already pretty dang good.

 

[Upperdeckjet]

DeMelo has been rather hit or miss this year. He’s been better lately though.

It’s a no brainer to protect Stanley over DeMelo, though. Cheaper, better potential, and already pretty dang good.

Also, there will be moments when a Stanley hit will allow me to pull out this meme every once in a while!

 

[GaryPoppins]

marner schooled him last night in the 1st.

Marner makes many D look like idiots. This isn’t exclusive to Stanley

 

[GaryPoppins]

Stanley might be, might small chances be as good as Demelo in 2 years. After all Garret points out Demelo as in fact been our 2nd best d. Stanley would take at least 2 years to possibly be that. At that point wheeler 2 more years declined. Schief is 30. Ppl think our window is now. I disagree but if that is the common thought, then a ready now Demelo is even further ahead.
Not to mention the right d vs left d and all Heinola Samberg, Stanley all play same side and when berg was tried on off side for Moose from reports it didn’t work very well.
On the other hand moving demelo gives more money to sign copp, Lowry, Pionk to raises.

a D core of Morrissey, Stanley, Demelo Samberg, Heinola and Pionk Seems pretty solid in a couple years once our coach figures out how to actually run proper defensive structure