Player Discussion: Stanley

[Heldig]

Hopefully they’ll just take Harkins would sweeten pot with Niku or a 3rd.

That is what I was thinking/hoping) too. Maybe they will take a chance on a reach prospect such as Anton Johannesson?

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

Calgary commentators gushed over him last night. The reach was incredible and noticeable on a few plays.

 

[Huffer]

his speed hasn't been a liability as most people suggested. is he a burner or is a noticeable strength? No, but it's not hindering him

Agreed. It wasn't straight ahead speed I was particularly worried about, but more so the ability to handle speed in an oncoming opponent. So far he hasn't seemed to have too many issues.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

I noted some wobbles in Stanley's game today, but DeMelo was outstanding and covered when needed.

Thought last night was Demelo's best game of the year. Stanley was definitely aggressive on a couple of his pinches, and Demelo covered well both times.

 

[DRW204]

Agreed. It wasn't straight ahead speed I was particularly worried about, but more so the ability to handle speed in an oncoming opponent. So far he hasn't seemed to have too many issues.

All defenders have issues with speed. And defenders will get beat from time to time. I'd say Stanley is less than most of our d group, especially our highest paid guy...

(I know I know context factors come into player here)

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

Stanley's speed is solid. Add in his reach, he is almost impossible to beat clean going wide. The fact he has consistently broken up rushes using his reach while avoiding taking penalties is something to be admired. One worry was he would be a penalty taking machine in his first couple of seasons, but I think he has one or 2 stick infractions this season.

 

[Huffer]

All defenders have issues with speed. And defenders will get beat from time to time. I'd say Stanley is less than most of our d group, especially our highest paid guy...

(I know I know context factors come into player here)

True, but (and this was my own opinion from some of his junior and U18 games), Stanley had some clumsy footwork and wasn't that great at lateral mobility to handle that speed. It hasn't seemed to be an issue in the NHL which is great.

 

[DRW204]

Stanley's speed is solid. Add in his reach, he is almost impossible to beat clean going wide. The fact he has consistently broken up rushes using his reach while avoiding taking penalties is something to be admired. One worry was he would be a penalty taking machine in his first couple of seasons, but I think he has one or 2 stick infractions this season.

True, but (and this was my own opinion from some of his junior and U18 games), Stanley had some clumsy footwork and wasn't that great at lateral mobility to handle that speed. It hasn't seemed to be an issue in the NHL which is great.

agreed with @MrBoJangelz71

his reach will get him out of jams and can mitigate dangerous chances against if he does get beat by a burner. iq/positioning will also help, but that may come with more and more game-reps.

i've mentioned this before. id love to see he and Pionk together. I think Stanley can do everything Forbort can, but better.

 

[Adam da bomb]

agreed with @MrBoJangelz71

his reach will get him out of jams and can mitigate dangerous chances against if he does get beat by a burner. iq/positioning will also help, but that may come with more and more game-reps.

i've mentioned this before. id love to see he and Pionk together. I think Stanley can do everything Forbort can, but better.

I'd like stanley to pk more to solidify that Booboo will stay out when healthy.

 

[voyageur]

agreed with @MrBoJangelz71

his reach will get him out of jams and can mitigate dangerous chances against if he does get beat by a burner. iq/positioning will also help, but that may come with more and more game-reps.

i've mentioned this before. id love to see he and Pionk together. I think Stanley can do everything Forbort can, but better.

I'm not sure that would work as well. What De Melo does is help Stanley to take more chances, because De Melo is more of a shot suppressor than an offensive generator.

Pionk is a guy you want to get into rushes, pinch in the zone, which is where you want someone to back him up.

Samberg seems like the right type of player to replace Forbort.

And Heinola with Morrissey would give you a double threat of offensive prowess.

The thing is there is no one in the lineup who is as good at PKing as Forbort this year. And that's an area that Stanley still has to prove himself in.

 

[DRW204]

I'm not sure that would work as well. What De Melo does is help Stanley to take more chances, because De Melo is more of a shot suppressor than an offensive generator.

Pionk is a guy you want to get into rushes, pinch in the zone, which is where you want someone to back him up.

Samberg seems like the right type of player to replace Forbort.

And Heinola with Morrissey would give you a double threat of offensive prowess.

The thing is there is no one in the lineup who is as good at PKing as Forbort this year. And that's an area that Stanley still has to prove himself in.

stanley is fully capable of doing everything forbort can from what i have seen. and if stanley's game elevates or even remains constant in a top4 role, that'll be a boon for us.

 

[Evil Little]

1) His injury may have an impact things in the long run. He's played a bit more tentatively.
2) He previously deferred to his linemates to do things like break the cycle and transition the puck in the defensive zone, now he's being leaned to do so.
3) Maurice used to allow his defensmen have more freedom with skating out the puck, now he doesn't.
4) etc.

I think these are all possible factors and you're right that it's likely a combination, but man what a bizarre change to go from such a steady, confident player to one who plays with a little bit of panic. Whose passes are just not as crisp.

What are the theories about the evolution of Trouba's game? Something in the Hudson river?

flawed but had their uses players like [...] late Enstrom

"Enstrom's second highest GAR relative to ice time as a Jet was his 2017-18 season, 2016-17 was his 4th highest.

"I would argue that he's getting older, so his performance was likely to go down. I would also argue that his offensive impact was becoming worse, but his actual impact was being buoyed by his ever improving defensive impact."

I am thinking the emergence of Stanley has taken Jets out of ekholm sweepstakes.

At those prices I seriously wonder if they were ever in. I think the 1st is on the table, as is Niku, but it sounds to me like that won't entice Poile and the Jets know there will be an added expansion cost on top of it.

 

[tbone1968]

Stanley's speed is solid. Add in his reach, he is almost impossible to beat clean going wide. The fact he has consistently broken up rushes using his reach while avoiding taking penalties is something to be admired. One worry was he would be a penalty taking machine in his first couple of seasons, but I think he has one or 2 stick infractions this season.

I can’t remember the play exactly but he pinched down and the forward rotated back, Jets lost the puck and Stan coming back wasn’t falling behind he was catching up on the Flames speed rush up the ice. Not slow. Just looks different to the eye because he’s massive.

Wingspan and stick that guy covers 20 ft wide to shut down incoming threat. Smart decision making too and nice little plays in D zone with solid break out and stretch passes. If this is as good as he ever will be I’m good. But does anyone think that’s it ? I sure as hell don’t

Just me but I wouldn’t trade him straight up for Ekholm given age, contract and potential upside. Bring it on lol

 

[sipowicz]

Stanley is the Jets version of the Blue's Colton Parayko, except Stanley has more upside!

 

[Upperdeckjet]

Stanley is developing into that circus performer that everyone wants to see. We had it in Buff and fingers crossed, we may see it again.

What I do know is that when life returns to new normal and fans return to the stands, I am more prompted to plop down my $250 for tickets to see what Logan Stanley might do rather than a Dylan Demelo. Due respect to DeMelo, but I am protecting Stanley at the expansion draft if a calculated side deal is not made.

 

[ps241]

Stanley is the Jets version of the Blue's Colton Parayko, except Stanley has more upside!

I am starting to worry about you.

 

[ps241]

Stanley is the Jets version of the Blue's Colton Parayko, except Stanley has more upside!

Now that I have gotten over my shock

They are both really tall D men that broke into the NHL as 22 year olds (draft +5). Looking back the early difference is Parayko came out of the blocks faster putting up 33 points in his rookie season (about 1/3 on the PP).

Not sure I see Stanley getting PP time but I would be happy if he could play top 4 well and put up about 20 points at 5v5 a year like Parayko does.

When you say more upside do you see Stanley on the PP at some point Sip?

Not trying to be a Debbie downer because Stan’s season has been one of my favourite surprises this year.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Now that I have gotten over my shock

They are both really tall D men that broke into the NHL as 22 year olds (draft +5). Looking back the early difference is Parayko came out of the blocks faster putting up 33 points in his rookie season (about 1/3 on the PP).

Not sure I see Stanley getting PP time but I would be happy if he could play top 4 well and put up about 20 points at 5v5 a year like Parayko does.

When you say more upside do you see Stanley on the PP at some point Sip?

Not trying to be a Debbie downer because Stan’s season has been one of my favourite surprises this year.

I loathe the Blues more than the very divil, so haven't seen much of Parayko beyond the games we've played against them, but I'd say that Stanley's main upside is the further development of his puck-moving and play from the point. From early on in juniors he's been a PMD of Unusual Size, and has always had good passing and a heavy, if not always accurate shot. If he gets PP time going forward I can easily see him putting up some useful points while providing solid D.

There's only one Buff, but with Mini-Buff Pionk and Buff-Manqué Stanley, we might be onto something good.

 

[Jet]

I'm not sure that would work as well. What De Melo does is help Stanley to take more chances, because De Melo is more of a shot suppressor than an offensive generator.

Pionk is a guy you want to get into rushes, pinch in the zone, which is where you want someone to back him up.

Samberg seems like the right type of player to replace Forbort.

And Heinola with Morrissey would give you a double threat of offensive prowess.

The thing is there is no one in the lineup who is as good at PKing as Forbort this year. And that's an area that Stanley still has to prove himself in.

I really like Forbort - for what he's paid he's exactly what a top heavy team needs on their 3rd d pair. It's just a bonus that he has chemistry with Pionk - but I'd still like to see him on the bottom pair.

I really don't think we see Samberg until 22-23 if we keep Heinola and Stanley - so re-upping him this offseason to fill the gap is probably something the Jets want to do. I think he's going to get a significant raise, though.

 

[Jet]

I am thinking the emergence of Stanley has taken Jets out of ekholm sweepstakes.

I'm not so sure about that. I think that one of our legit young D is on the table as it solves for the logjam getting them all in the lineup. I'd hate to lose a Samberg or Stanley for one playoff run of Ekholm, but if we won the cup, I'd say it's worth it.

It's probably more likely that Chevy will pick up someone lesser - and if we can keep Beaulieu and Poolman out of the lineup that's a good thing.

 

[Edgar Halliwax]

I remember the massive meltdown here the day Stanley was drafted. At least 95% of the posters were all over Chevy for "wasting" the pick. My attitude at the time was let's wait and see. And now, unless his play completely implodes, I'd be pissed off if he's taken out of the lineup when #88 is healthy. He's been way more effective than I think most fans expected. I didn't think he'd be this good at this point. What impresses me the most is that he's made very few mistakes. I've noticed more gaffes from Morrissey this year than Stanley.

 

[Evil Little]

I remember the massive meltdown here the day Stanley was drafted. At least 95% of the posters were all over Chevy for "wasting" the pick. My attitude at the time was let's wait and see. And now, unless his play completely implodes, I'd be pissed off if he's taken out of the lineup when #88 is healthy. He's been way more effective than I think most fans expected. I didn't think he'd be this good at this point. What impresses me the most is that he's made very few mistakes. I've noticed more gaffes from Morrissey this year than Stanley.

It was definitely worse than wasting the pick. It was a signal that Comeau and his brilliant scouting had been cast aside, that the team was taking a new amateur scouting direction under the direction of Mark Hillier, despite tremendous success, and that direction would basically be giant guys with no skill and no chance of making the NHL.

 

[DRW204]

stanley was rated a top 20-35ish prospect from most rankings i saw around that time.

the problem which a lot of people have is the trade up to move him. which stanley unfortunately has no control over

from what i understand, a specific individual(s) or scout(s) were pushing hard for stanley, hence the aggressive trade up (pick 36 was a pretty good quality pick given the talent available). Detroit apparently wanted stanley, whether it was smokescreen or not, who knows. but apparently the stanley pick shifted the Jets' outlook on drafting Dmen of Stanley's ilk and moving up in the draft.

I remember the massive meltdown here the day Stanley was drafted. At least 95% of the posters were all over Chevy for "wasting" the pick. My attitude at the time was let's wait and see. And now, unless his play completely implodes, I'd be pissed off if he's taken out of the lineup when #88 is healthy. He's been way more effective than I think most fans expected. I didn't think he'd be this good at this point. What impresses me the most is that he's made very few mistakes. I've noticed more gaffes from Morrissey this year than Stanley.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Problem on the draft and I'll be honest.. didn't hate the pick... The hfboards draft guys who think they are actual scouts thought he wasn't worth moving up from 22 to 18.

Picks 22 and 36 got Stanley.

German Rubstov and a French guy with concussion problems for Stanley.

 

[Scheifele55]

I remember the massive meltdown here the day Stanley was drafted. At least 95% of the posters were all over Chevy for "wasting" the pick. My attitude at the time was let's wait and see. And now, unless his play completely implodes, I'd be pissed off if he's taken out of the lineup when #88 is healthy. He's been way more effective than I think most fans expected. I didn't think he'd be this good at this point. What impresses me the most is that he's made very few mistakes. I've noticed more gaffes from Morrissey this year than Stanley.

I definitely was in the 5%. I was the person who mentioned that scouts touted him as the most improved player in the OHL that year. Mark Scheifele had that trajectory and I am a believer in players who have the strongest improvements in their draft year over players who are very polished and showed little improvement. I knew he was a project that would take a few years. It took longer than I imagined, however, I want to see him playing 20 minutes a game.