Player Discussion: Stanley

[Adam da bomb]

As a proud, longstanding and sometimes beleaguered Stanley defender, I am delighted to welcome all youse carpetbaggers to Club Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig LS . Please deposit your crow bones in the bin by the door.

Be interesting to see how his development changes the upcoming XD calculations, if it does. Maybe a trade for picks? Would they really protect LS over DD, who plays a critical position on a sweet contract?

But not sweeter than ls for 3 years at 1 mil

 

[voyageur]

Wow now that was a beautiful first goal for Stan. He really wanted that didn’t he.

I like that fans got the uncensored version too. Came on a game tying goal, for extra intensity.

I hope if he continues playing strong he is penciled in to the starting lineup come playoff time.

 

[LowLefty]

My point was that they were looking at everyone else. A 'project' looked like the best of a bad lot. Worth trading up for.

Yes, I understood your point.
They may have looked at it that way - but I don't necessarily think they considered him part of a bad lot.
Maybe they saw him as the player that was exactly what they needed and like most prospects, they understood the risk.

Regardless, it's not important at this point -

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yes, I understood your point.
They may have looked at it that way - but I don't necessarily think they considered him part of a bad lot.
Maybe they saw him as the player that was exactly what they needed and like most prospects, they understood the risk.

Regardless, it's not important at this point -

True, it is unimportant at this point.
But maybe I put it just slightly wrong too. Maybe they saw him as the last good one, before the remaining bad lot. Just playing with words. But I do think the lack of quality in the rest of that draft class is what pushed them to trade up for Stanley.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

We will get an indication of Maurice's evaluation of Stanley when Beaulieu is ready to return.

I believe that Stanley is the only one Jets could send to the taxi squad without going through waivers. But they do have an available roster spot. If they want to reserve that roster spot and the money and cap hit that go with it, they could waive Niku. His future with the Jets is getting dimmer.

 

[Adam da bomb]

We will get an indication of Maurice's evaluation of Stanley when Beaulieu is ready to return.

I believe that Stanley is the only one Jets could send to the taxi squad without going through waivers. But they do have an available roster spot. If they want to reserve that roster spot and the money and cap hit that go with it, they could waive Niku. His future with the Jets is getting dimmer.

Nike’s future in the nhl is getting pretty dim. “If he can’t crack this bad d that the jets have what chance does he have” but he can always go play in the Liiga or k.

 

[BoneDocUK]

[QUOTE="Mortimer Snerd, post: 176878454, member: 229787"]We will get an indication of Maurice's evaluation of Stanley when Beaulieu is ready to return.

I believe that Stanley is the only one Jets could send to the taxi squad without going through waivers. But they do have an available roster spot. If they want to reserve that roster spot and the money and cap hit that go with it, they could waive Niku. His future with the Jets is getting dimmer.[/QUOTE]

At this point I'd be surprised if Stanley sits for Beaulieu -- but I also would be surprised if someone didn't, given how much PoMo seems to value him. Maybe Poolman comes out for a stretch? They both bring the chaos and the PKing. It's a coin flip.

 

[puck stoppa]

And back patting

For some of the stuff that was written about him all those years and bashing of people that defended him they can back pat all they want. I personally have no trouble admitting when I was wrong about a player also, which was Samberg in draft year and soon after. The more I watched the more I liked and I’m a huge supporter of his now. Some are only always right

 

[kanadalainen]

That first goal? Bar down.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

While the jury is still out, I am very happy to see him playing this way considering what I read on draft day. People were PISSED that we drafted this guy and I hope they are wrong.

 

[garret9]

So, what has happened to Josh's game? What is he doing differently? What is he doing wrong? Or what is he failing to do right? Are you saying he was never any good?

I've hypothesized multiple things on here before, some with evidence.

We know that his game style/play has changed and that has aligned with worse results coming from him. Why has his play style change is a tougher question to answer because I think there are multiple reasons, not just one.

1) His injury may have an impact things in the long run. He's played a bit more tentatively.
2) He previously deferred to his linemates to do things like break the cycle and transition the puck in the defensive zone, now he's being leaned to do so.
3) Maurice used to allow his defensmen have more freedom with skating out the puck, now he doesn't.
4) etc.

All of these, among others, can cause a player to still be equally talented but play worse depending on what play style works best for them (or for players in general).

I do also think that people overexagerate how good players tend to have performed, especially when they are young, home grown players. There is evidence in some models that Morrissey was never better than a #3 guy with some flaws.

Flaws can also be hidden hidden by a team. The Jets a ton of talent in overall really good players with Trouba, Byfuglien, early Enstrom and flawed but had their uses players like Chiarot, Kulikov, late Enstrom and to a lesser extent Myers.

It's also completely possible that Morrissey has peaked. Average peak performance age is 23-25. Some peak later, but some peak earlier.

It's also possible that ALL of these variables are true in some sense and all have mixed together.

 

[Huffer]

Very happy for Logan on his first goal. It was a beauty.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I've hypothesized multiple things on here before, some with evidence.

We know that his game style/play has changed and that has aligned with worse results coming from him. Why has his play style change is a tougher question to answer because I think there are multiple reasons, not just one.

1) His injury may have an impact things in the long run. He's played a bit more tentatively.
2) He previously deferred to his linemates to do things like break the cycle and transition the puck in the defensive zone, now he's being leaned to do so.
3) Maurice used to allow his defensmen have more freedom with skating out the puck, now he doesn't.
4) etc.

All of these, among others, can cause a player to still be equally talented but play worse depending on what play style works best for them (or for players in general).

I do also think that people overexagerate how good players tend to have performed, especially when they are young, home grown players. There is evidence in some models that Morrissey was never better than a #3 guy with some flaws.

Flaws can also be hidden hidden by a team. The Jets a ton of talent in overall really good players with Trouba, Byfuglien, early Enstrom and flawed but had their uses players like Chiarot, Kulikov, late Enstrom and to a lesser extent Myers.

It's also completely possible that Morrissey has peaked. Average peak performance age is 23-25. Some peak later, but some peak earlier.

It's also possible that ALL of these variables are true in some sense and all have mixed together.

Re: Peaked. Yes, I think players peak quite a bit earlier than some people like to think. They don't typically keep improving year over year for very long after they make the NHL. But peaking usually means an extended plateau, not early loss of performance. He is 26, not 36.

What you say about Maurice coaching the D to behave differently is interesting. Compensating for the loss of much of his D corps may not be the best approach, at least not in JMo's case.

He does seem to be less assertive, just when we might have expected the opposite.

Whatever the explanation, I'm not ready to give up on him yet.

 

[John Agar]

From Wyman at the Sun...

Seems Stanley is getting a following... and Boo' and "melo are expansion draft exposed...

'Pleasant surprise’ Stanley making strong case to be protected by Jets in expansion draft | Winnipeg Sun

 

[scelaton]

Just looked back at the Stanley thread from when he was picked in 2016, which was in a post that may have been removed.

Anyway--the funniest thing about the first few pages was not how many people thought it was a bad pick, but how they took solace in the incontrovertible prediction that (to paraphrase), even if Stanley never makes it to the NHL, at least we have a sure-fire Jets star for years to come in Laine at #2 OA !

oops.

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

I am thinking the emergence of Stanley has taken Jets out of ekholm sweepstakes.

 

[Guffman]

I am thinking the emergence of Stanley has taken Jets out of ekholm sweepstakes.

I love Stanimal and think he will be protected in the expansion draft but he’s not eating that many minutes and it would be nice to upgrade on Poolman for the playoff run.

I wouldn’t be disappointed if we look internally at that and get Heinola some ice time.

 

[voyageur]

I love Stanimal and think he will be protected in the expansion draft but he’s not eating that many minutes and it would be nice to upgrade on Poolman for the playoff run.

I wouldn’t be disappointed if we look internally at that and get Heinola some ice time.

Two rookies in a playoff lineup is high risk, especially as neither are factoring into special teams.

I think if Heinola got in this year it would be in Stanley's spot, for a completely different look. Like a skater to match up with Mc David's pace.

I agree though that Poolman's spot should be upgraded.

Right now Stanley is bringing everything you want from a rookie. I was really impressed with him throwing Tkachuk right out of the crease, when he went after Poolman. His game was never mean, but he is going to need a bit of a mean streak in his toolbox to be that big defenseman that has been missing since Buff.

 

[Whileee]

I noted some wobbles in Stanley's game today, but DeMelo was outstanding and covered when needed.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

I noticed Stanley roving again tonight like Buff used to, he got a good shot off from the faceoff circle on the opposite side of the ice. Maurice had to give him the green light to do it, which points to a lot of offensive potential still to tap. Another great game, and he made tough-guy Tkachuk run away from a scrum just by showing up. I still think we can get a reasonable facsimile of Buff out of him, his trajectory looks great and he's got all the tools.

 

[GumbyCan2]

Astute observations, as it turns out. My observations now are that he is still a good skater for his size and has very good hockey sense, as a rookie in the NHL

Lets take Tyler Myers, another former giant Jet, for purposes of comparison. Myers has great skating ability for a big D and won the Calder in his rookie season, but since then has not fulfilled his potential. The reasons: mostly because he lacks good hockey sense and also because he was rushed into an offensive role before he consolidated his defensive skills. Huge mistakes, IMO.

In comparison, Stanley's hockey sense is already clearly in evidence and he is being developed as a D-first defenseman, a role he understands and buys into. The offense will follow, as we saw last night.
No one here is predicting Chara-like upside for Stanley, but his development arc is a thing of absolute beauty. With appropriate sheltering, the right partner* and increasing minutes, his confidence* will continue to grow and be reflected in his play. That is why DeMelo is an essential part of the Stanley puzzle.

Bottom line, for a big Dman: [good skating + very good hockey sense + great development]>>>[great skating + poor hockey sense + poor development]

*PS- If anyone wonders how important a good partner is in generating confidence, just look at Morrissey without Trouba or Buff. That's why we need to look for a Savard-type D partner for him before the playoffs.

Why not call for a potential next coming of Z-Chara??
He is showing play reading, full ice awareness, looks for the best pass opportunity and is even starting to " start plays deeking out an opponent or 2" and is moving up in the offense zone, smartly and timely. He is provjng he has a better shot than reported previously and he is actually pretty quick and agile in his skating, on his feet.
I liken him to our closest version of a Buff-like potential player, if continued confidence and regular shifting in all settings of any given games. He is strong, powerful stride is beginning to show, he is unafraid of policing scrums with 2 opposition players in hand, he can rock a player right into the boards as though he were implanting their jersey on the boards and he is man handling the front of our net. Just wait until he surprises all with a break-away rush up the ice finishing in a highlight reel goal, like Buff provided a few times a year!
Hopeful dreaming? Hell yes! Probable?? Possible? Sure.

 

[GumbyCan2]

I like that fans got the uncensored version too. Came on a game tying goal, for extra intensity.

I hope if he continues playing strong he is penciled in to the starting lineup come playoff time.

"Ef'-you-see-K" yah. Echoed throughout the whole Saddledome, apparently. SWEET!!

 

[Huffer]

My main worry with Stanley watching some junior games was his lateral footspeed and handling fast players off the rush. So far, I have not seen this be much of an issue in the NHL and he's played against the likes of McDavid (who could beat anyone really).

Stanley IMO has always been more of a puck mover than a tough shutdown D, and he really has been moving the puck very well in the NHL. He has good vision and has made some very good outlet passes. I don't know what the answer is (maybe giving Seattle something) because I don't want to lose any of JoMo, Pionk, Demelo, or Stanley.

 

[Adam da bomb]

My main worry with Stanley watching some junior games was his lateral footspeed and handling fast players off the rush. So far, I have not seen this be much of an issue in the NHL and he's played against the likes of McDavid (who could beat anyone really).

Stanley IMO has always been more of a puck mover than a tough shutdown D, and he really has been moving the puck very well in the NHL. He has good vision and has made some very good outlet passes. I don't know what the answer is (maybe giving Seattle something) because I don't want to lose any of JoMo, Pionk, Demelo, or Stanley.

Hopefully they’ll just take Harkins would sweeten pot with Niku or a 3rd.

 

[DRW204]

My main worry with Stanley watching some junior games was his lateral footspeed and handling fast players off the rush. So far, I have not seen this be much of an issue in the NHL and he's played against the likes of McDavid (who could beat anyone really).

Stanley IMO has always been more of a puck mover than a tough shutdown D, and he really has been moving the puck very well in the NHL. He has good vision and has made some very good outlet passes. I don't know what the answer is (maybe giving Seattle something) because I don't want to lose any of JoMo, Pionk, Demelo, or Stanley.

his speed hasn't been a liability as most people suggested. is he a burner or is a noticeable strength? No, but it's not hindering him