Player Discussion: Stanley

[DRW204]

Marner makes many D look like idiots. This isn’t exclusive to Stanley

yeah i know. he's one of the top fwd in the nhl, it'll happpen from time to time even the best dmen get on highlight reels

 

[snowkiddin]

Pretty soon the “he’s so sheltered” argument is not gonna work.

Maurice is trusting Big Logan Stanley more, he’s getting more ice time and even some PK time now.

 

[Al Camino]

Yes, Stanley is showing rather nicely as a newb in the lineup right now -with many admirable attributes. But we have to recognize that he is being highly sheltered by deployment and bench management decisions, AND, recognize that he is being sheltered by playing with probably our steadiest, most consistent, best performing D on the team, in Demelo. Wouldn`t it be prudent to see how Stanley performs in non-sheltered roles before declaring him the sure-fire recipient of the 3rd D protection spot in the upcoming expansion draft? ( Note the delicious irony that exists behind the choice!)

Let’s also not forget the North Division is terrible.

 

[snowkiddin]

Let’s also not forget the North Division is terrible.

He did pretty good against Toronto who is a top team.

 

[10Ducky10]

I think Stanimal's ceiling is a 2-3 tweener.
A good 3rd pairing D man but below average 2nd pairing.
It'd be nice if he got consistent time on the PK if he showed he deserved it.
I'm not sure who I would protect between DD and him.
RHD are more valuable than LHD but Stanimal has the size we need back there.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I think Stanimal's ceiling is a 2-3 tweener.
A good 3rd pairing D man but below average 2nd pairing.
It'd be nice if he got consistent time on the PK if he showed he deserved it.
I'm not sure who I would protect between DD and him.
RHD are more valuable than LHD but Stanimal has the size we need back there.

I think Stanley can be a good to average 2nd pairing. Demelo is a fringe 2nd 1st pairing, or a great 2nd pairing d.
Morris set is 2nd pairing to 3rd pairing.

 

[garret9]

Pretty soon the “he’s so sheltered” argument is not gonna work.

Maurice is trusting Big Logan Stanley more, he’s getting more ice time and even some PK time now.

Yea, Maurice is giving him a few more reps but not a lot yet. He's getting more looks in the dzone than before, and he is starting to see top lines a bit more as ice time increases. Leverage of minutes and matching against top lines still is quite, quite low for third pairing defender, let alone average.

Results suggest he is performing good enough to definitely see more. Especially since he has a fringe 1st pair dman on his right side.

 

[garret9]

On the topic of Stanley, models, performance, etc. I wanted to bring something up I talked about on Twitter but didn't see anyone really talk about it anywhere.

Here's the Jets shot map with him on the ice:

Here's what that looks like when you adjust for usage:

You'll notice something. There are a LOT of shots from the left point. I went and looked at it and Stanley is shooting A **** LOT.

He's 17.03 shot attempts per hour at 5v5. That's 3rd most in the entire NHL for defenders with at least 10GP, almost double any other Jet defender, and 1 shot more than Ehlers for the most on the team.

Now, shooting a lot is a double edged sword. There's pros and cons to it. Stanley is also taking a lot of low quality shots even for a volume shooter. His xFSh% is around 1.73% when almost all the other high volume guys 3-4%.

If I were the Jets, I'd tell the forwards to get infront of the net more because no one is really pick up those rebounds. The lack of shots around the net with Stanley on is quite low. Now maybe some of this is because Stanley is picking his shots at suboptimal times when there's not really any screens or people in position for rebounds...

...but I thought it was interesting to at least point out and discuss.

 

[Whileee]

On the topic of Stanley, models, performance, etc. I wanted to bring something up I talked about on Twitter but didn't see anyone really talk about it anywhere.

Here's the Jets shot map with him on the ice:

Here's what that looks like when you adjust for usage:

You'll notice something. There are a LOT of shots from the left point. I went and looked at it and Stanley is shooting A **** LOT.

He's 17.03 shot attempts per hour at 5v5. That's 3rd most in the entire NHL for defenders with at least 10GP, almost double any other Jet defender, and 1 shot more than Ehlers for the most on the team.

Now, shooting a lot is a double edged sword. There's pros and cons to it. Stanley is also taking a lot of low quality shots even for a volume shooter. His xFSh% is around 1.73% when almost all the other high volume guys 3-4%.

If I were the Jets, I'd tell the forwards to get infront of the net more because no one is really pick up those rebounds. The lack of shots around the net with Stanley on is quite low. Now maybe some of this is because Stanley is picking his shots at suboptimal times when there's not really any screens or people in position for rebounds...

...but I thought it was interesting to at least point out and discuss.

Good observations, backed up by the data. I've noticed that his shots aren't particularly poor decisions, and he tends to get them on net or around the net. But I don't see a lot of net-front presence when he's taking his shots. Overall, the Jets do not emphasize much net-front pressure at the best of times, but when they do it's usually after they've been cycling the puck for a while, and go D-to-D. I think that Stanley might be taking shots earlier in the offensive zone sequences than others are, and as you say, it wouldn't be a bad idea for forwards to recognize that Stanley is going to get a lot of shots toward the net, and go there earlier and more consistently when he's on the ice.

 

[Al Camino]

He did pretty good against Toronto who is a top team.

True but I’d like to see him against Colorado, Vegas and some of the other top teams.

 

[jgimp]

On the topic of Stanley, models, performance, etc. I wanted to bring something up I talked about on Twitter but didn't see anyone really talk about it anywhere.

Here's the Jets shot map with him on the ice:

Here's what that looks like when you adjust for usage:

You'll notice something. There are a LOT of shots from the left point. I went and looked at it and Stanley is shooting A **** LOT.

He's 17.03 shot attempts per hour at 5v5. That's 3rd most in the entire NHL for defenders with at least 10GP, almost double any other Jet defender, and 1 shot more than Ehlers for the most on the team.

Now, shooting a lot is a double edged sword. There's pros and cons to it. Stanley is also taking a lot of low quality shots even for a volume shooter. His xFSh% is around 1.73% when almost all the other high volume guys 3-4%.

If I were the Jets, I'd tell the forwards to get infront of the net more because no one is really pick up those rebounds. The lack of shots around the net with Stanley on is quite low. Now maybe some of this is because Stanley is picking his shots at suboptimal times when there's not really any screens or people in position for rebounds...

...but I thought it was interesting to at least point out and discuss.

Ok, what does this finger painting chart even mean?

 

[kylbaz]

Ok, what does this finger painting chart even mean?

Just click "like" and it makes it look like you agree with it!

 

[kylbaz]

If I were the Jets, I'd tell the forwards to get infront of the net more because no one is really pick up those rebounds.

I mean, isn't this basic hockey skills when the defender has the puck? However, I do find there is often no one in front of the net, and it drives me absolutely insane. I don't watch enough non-Jets teams to know if it's as common everywhere, but the amount of times a guy on the point is about to shoot and no one is in front of the net seems ridiculously high, and the amount of times Morrissey still shoots a weak shot from the point when there is no one there also drives me insane.

 

[Romang67]

Ok, what does this finger painting chart even mean?

It's a heat map. Blue means that the Jets (on the "Even-Strength Offense" map, otherwise it's the opponent) shoot fewer shots than league average from that location when Stanley is on the ice on even strength. Red means that higher than league average. The big red spot in the LD spot in the offensive zone means that Stanley is shooting a lot.

The blue spot on the left side near our net could be a sign that Stanley is good at preventing high danger shots on his side of the ice, although the red spot on the right side may also be a negative for Stanley (perhaps his partners go out of position because of him), though this is all highly speculative.

 

[RAFS]

Let’s also not forget the North Division is terrible.

How exactly are these words of wisdom determined? Magic 8-ball? Dice? Exquisitely manipulated statistics? Some clown on Sportsnet? ....... Just curious.

 

[jgimp]

Just click "like" and it makes it look like you agree with it!

oh, just like marriage!

 

[ps241]

On the topic of Stanley, models, performance, etc. I wanted to bring something up I talked about on Twitter but didn't see anyone really talk about it anywhere.

Here's the Jets shot map with him on the ice:

Here's what that looks like when you adjust for usage:

You'll notice something. There are a LOT of shots from the left point. I went and looked at it and Stanley is shooting A **** LOT.

He's 17.03 shot attempts per hour at 5v5. That's 3rd most in the entire NHL for defenders with at least 10GP, almost double any other Jet defender, and 1 shot more than Ehlers for the most on the team.

Now, shooting a lot is a double edged sword. There's pros and cons to it. Stanley is also taking a lot of low quality shots even for a volume shooter. His xFSh% is around 1.73% when almost all the other high volume guys 3-4%.

If I were the Jets, I'd tell the forwards to get infront of the net more because no one is really pick up those rebounds. The lack of shots around the net with Stanley on is quite low. Now maybe some of this is because Stanley is picking his shots at suboptimal times when there's not really any screens or people in position for rebounds...

...but I thought it was interesting to at least point out and discuss.

I have noticed this he seems to shoot every time he gets a crack. Many of our other defenders seem more judicious when choosing between shot, pass, or cycle dump.

Glad he can get his shot through but without net front presence I’m not sure if it’s the top choice.

 

[Jet]

A DeMelo clone can easily be brought in, though. Stanley is not so easy to replicate.

A rookie D who has shown some encouraging play with butter soft minutes is hard to replicate?

I'd bet they expose Stanley, especially with Heinola and Samberg waiting.

 

[Jet]

Let’s also not forget the North Division is terrible.

Is it though? This is something I see a lot but without cross division play it's nothing more than an opinion.

You could say that the North has some strong offenses and that has made the bottom teams look worse than they are.

The Canucks pre-covid by many were considered to be a playoff contender, as were the Flames. However, they've looked far from that - and it's due to the strong scoring they have to go up against night in and night out.

I think this is a meme.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Look at the other divisions. It's all 2 or 3 good teams and everyone else is not so good.
North seems a bit more balanced honestly.

 

[Adam da bomb]

A rookie D who has shown some encouraging play with butter soft minutes is hard to replicate?

I'd bet they expose Stanley, especially with Heinola and Samberg waiting.

Samberg you mean the guy playing mediocre for the Moose?

 

[garret9]

Ok, what does this finger painting chart even mean?

Well if you read it, it would tell you... but short version:
1) Stanley shoots a lot, and is the primary source of shots for the Jets with him on the ice
2) Most of the shots he shoots are very low quality, even for a defensive high volume shooter
3) The Jets aren't getting any rebounds or tips with him on the ice, which are generally why you do low quality point shots
4) With either coaching Stanley or having the forwards play differently with Stanley on the ice, or both, you can turn this into a negative and a lot more goals scored

 

[garret9]

I mean, isn't this basic hockey skills when the defender has the puck? However, I do find there is often no one in front of the net, and it drives me absolutely insane. I don't watch enough non-Jets teams to know if it's as common everywhere, but the amount of times a guy on the point is about to shoot and no one is in front of the net seems ridiculously high, and the amount of times Morrissey still shoots a weak shot from the point when there is no one there also drives me insane.

The colours are based off of league average, so it would suggest that the Jets are worse at it than most teams.

Here's just the Jets in general:

Jets getting lots of shots from the LHD, and the high slot is a source of a lot of the Jets goals from rush chances and/or off the cycle. The low slot though is the Jets not getting much rebounds or tips.

 

[Adam da bomb]

The colours are based off of league average, so it would suggest that the Jets are worse at it than most teams.

Here's just the Jets in general:

Jets getting lots of shots from the LHD, and the high slot is a source of a lot of the Jets goals from rush chances and/or off the cycle. The low slot though is the Jets not getting much rebounds or tips.

Have any of the Jets been good offensively 5 v 5?

 

[garret9]

I have noticed this he seems to shoot every time he gets a crack. Many of our other defenders seem more judicious when choosing between shot, pass, or cycle dump.

Glad he can get his shot through but without net front presence I’m not sure if it’s the top choice.

As @Joe Hallenback said, if the Jets lose Stanley it's a loss but not an unrecoverable one. Jets have two LHD that I think should be better (no guarantees though) and one that has been a mess but I think is fixable (Morrissey).