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Oh and Trouba shooting himself out of a cannon to get way out of position. Nice penalty killing, jerk
Series Talk: Stanley Cup Playoffs 2024
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expatriatedtexan
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Good for Florida.
I'm kinda on their bandwagon as I've been enjoying their play but this series is a lot more even than I thought it was going to be. I've gotta give the Rangers some credit here.
I think either team will be too much for Dallas or Edmonton.
I'm kinda on their bandwagon as I've been enjoying their play but this series is a lot more even than I thought it was going to be. I've gotta give the Rangers some credit here.
I think either team will be too much for Dallas or Edmonton.
Hell of a job by Florida
Thats her. It’s the snapping her head back head on both hands that is just trying to compete with the woman doing the best WTF face I’ve seen in forever when the Habs drafted Kotkaniemi
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lol Wheeler comes back after missing 8 years and costs them the game
If only Rangers GM was Cliff Fletcher and not Chris Drury. They would have made a mistake and accidentally traded Avalanche Igor instead of Georgiev. Definitely would have won a few more cups.
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Dallas and Florida are the two deepest teams in the NHL. It's going to be interesting.
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I wouldn't say the series has been that even imo. Igor is keeping the Rags in these games they have no right to be. But tbf he's that damn good which can't be overlooked.
So whose bingo card had Bobrovsky with more points through 4 games than Ziba and Kreider combined?
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I wish the Avs had a top tier goalie again. Kind of feels like that’s the missing piece with the “rely only on the top guys” strategy.
expatriatedtexan
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I kinda feel like the top guys were the missing piece of the rely only on the top guys strategy after s1g1.
SoundwaveIsCharisma
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Don’t disagree, more talking long term plan. Shesterkin on the Avs since his rookie season and I wouldn’t be surprised if the team had 2-3 cups in this time
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I think if the Avs had an elite goaltender they'd be unstoppable. Unfortunately it will never happen with our children scouting.
henchman21
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Part of this is philosophical with the cap. The Avs won't allocate more than ~4.5-5m total in cap space to goaltending. You'll never get elite goaltending spending so little on the position. Which is part of the reason the Avs have had the lineups the have had... you take away the excess payroll available for the depth or having slightly better pieces at different spots.
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I don't think he'll ever have much more than maybe a career year ppg season. But his game is just built for the playoffs.
This seems a bit like a chicken/egg thing. It’s not like there has been elite goaltending available for them to pick up to begin with. Better goaltending, sure but not elite.
Grubi and Kuemper weren’t worth the contracts they got. Ullmark and Markstrom had shown promise but were far from guarantees as UFAs be worth the price difference. Whether or not people agree with their goalie moves or not, there’s a big difference between the approach available to the Avs and paying the actually elite (and not just propped up by systems goalies they’ve had) they drafted or traded for before breaking out. Not sure we can just declare that the Avs wouldn’t have paid to keep a Vasi/Igor/Demko if he’d been their pick/prospect who broke out
henchman21
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Yeah certainly could be, but the Avs don't make moves to draft these goalies either. They've had chances to draft guys who ended up elite goalies, but their organizational philosophy is to draft them later. They've stated this publicly that they'd rather take shots later than draft top guys.
The market rate for an average starter is around $6m when you go around the league. If they have questions, it drops a million or so. That's what the market is set at... regardless of whether it works or not or is smart or not... that is the market.
Though everyone knew Markstrom was worth it. He has proven himself to be a good starter in Vancouver and then just continued his play in Calgary.
IMO it is pretty clear the Avs don't want to allocate a larger portion of the cap to the goaltending situation. Each time they have been presented with an opportunity to spend that amount, they haven't. It is almost like they felt burned with the Varly contract and will just never return there.
RockLobster
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Hmm, this is interesting.
Haven't really thought about it, but I guess I felt that the Varly contract was fair, at least for most of his time here.
henchman21
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2 of the 5 years he was below replacement level (even lost his job to Picks for a while). 1 of 5 he was a slightly below average starter. 2 of 5 he was good (1 was arguably elite). He's fondly remembered, but there just wasn't a ton of results from his contract and by the end he lost the starting job. IMO the Avs looked at this and wondered why pay that much to get a pretty overall average set of goaltending for 5 years? Especially when you consider they had to rely on other goalies (Picks, Bernier, Grubi, JSG) during his tenure. Put that money elsewhere and just deal with mediocre goaltending.
RockLobster
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Hmm, that's fair, and in retrospect I suspect you're right that I, and others who probably didn't consider it anything but "fair value", may be relying too much on that 13-14 season w/ Roy in his first year here, as the basis of our thoughts.
In thinking just a little bit more about it, sure, the Avs can devote less $ to the position, but they could also attempt to have better pro-scouting/amateur scouting when it comes to goalies, and if the time comes to acquire one, they're in a better position to not acquire one that might provide them middling results?
henchman21
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I'd argue they should (I fully stand by the draft a goalie in the 1st every 4 years path). Funny enough though, there are two instances where the Avs could have grabbed that guy, but the Avs couldn't come to an agreement to select. In 2014, a lot of the scouts wanted to select Demko and the primary reason they didn't is because Roy hated him and his demeanor. He stopped it from happening way prior to the draft. In 2017, there was one scout in particular who was pounding the table to draft Otter and move up from 32 when the Hawks were shopping the pick. It was clear Ottawa was going to draft Otter if he was there, so teams had to move ahead. Avs did not want to spend the picks to move up (Dallas probably would have topped the offer anyway as they had Otter in their top 10).
There are certainly dissenting views even within the org on how to handle it, but from a GM/head scout position, they don't want to utilize high picks on goalies.
On the pro side, I think it is simple cap allocation. You can win with average goaltending provided the rest of the team is good enough. Plenty of teams have proven that now. So the Avs just simply don't pay up.
Watching the game last night it's really clear to see why Georgie was pissed off about not being made the starter in New York.
Georgie is an idiot. That's why.
Georgie is an idiot. That's why.
He still punched out a much bigger idiot when he was in NY, so I admire him for that at least.
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He also out-punched Vezina winner Connor Hellebuyck.
